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George Washington
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Oct 11, 2023, 9:30 AM
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When you teach about him in school, one of the things that you stress is how he willingly stepped away from the presidency. Washington set the precedent of stepping away after two terms and he committed himself to a peaceful transition of power, which hadn't really been accomplished before. He chose to put this experiment in representative democracy ahead of his own ambitions. It wasn't about maintaining power for him. It was about the sanctity of the institutions that were established by the US Constitution. The country was more important than the person.
Washington could have attempted to hold onto power. He could have put himself and his own ambitions ahead of the country as a whole. That kind of power that the president wields is seductive, after all. Truly a remarkable moment in human history. Arguably one of the top 3 defining moments in the history of our species.
Anyways, let's hope the peaceful transition of power continues. Let's hope that the US doesn't choose someone that puts their own ambitions ahead of the country. Someone that won't commit themselves to that peaceful transition of power.
Let us hope.
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Re: George Washington
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Oct 11, 2023, 9:43 AM
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why wood you poast political views on a football bord
the british used the portal for hessian mercenaries by the way
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Re: George Washington
Oct 11, 2023, 9:56 AM
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I was just explaining how we teach about Washington.
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Bc without George Washington...
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we'd be arguing about a different kind of football.
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+1 for the hessians
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Now I remember why I stopped putting my comment in the subject. That is all.
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Re: George Washington
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Oct 11, 2023, 9:43 AM
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Wrong bored moran.
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AND..
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let’s hope & pray BiDEN’s handlers realize that a 2nd time as President would be worse than the first time since sadly he was demented by mental illness and never should have been placed in that predicament and which has caused our country to regress close to a 3rd world country not to mention the hatred that he & DEMs have fostered between the citizens.
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Speaking of mental illness
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Close to a 3rd world country?
GTFO with that nonsense. Do you even know what day it is?
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He makes a valid point...
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Oct 11, 2023, 8:48 PM
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that you failed to grasp—
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Re: George Washington
Oct 12, 2023, 9:09 AM
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Me thinks you're team "anybody but Trump".
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Unfortunately...
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Oct 11, 2023, 9:50 AM
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Washington is filled with politicians who place their own ambitions and political agendas ahead of the country. Our founding fathers never intended for Senators and Representatives to become career politicians and there are currently a number of them, on both sides of the aisle, who are poster children for term limits.
Harry Truman said it best when he said, "Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.”
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How true and so many are rich now
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Oct 11, 2023, 10:32 AM
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and they were not before they took office. It's easy to look up and there are a lot from both parties.
I don't think term-limits is the only answer but it's a start.
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Re: Unfortunately...
Oct 11, 2023, 10:54 AM
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This is indeed a sad reality we find ourselves in today. Take Dianne Feinstein as an example. It was clear that her remaining in office at her advanced age was a product of her own narcissism and addiction to power. The same is true of people like Chuck Grassley and Mitch McConnell. That's why we need more people like Washington.
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Re: Unfortunately...
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Grassley is an icon. You got Feinstein and McConnel right though.
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Re: Unfortunately...
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Grassley is an icon of allegiance to our Founding Fathers.You got Feinstein and McConnell right though.
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Re: Unfortunately...
Oct 12, 2023, 10:04 AM
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The 2 living should be retired. Feinstein should've retired when she started needing help to do basic skills
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Re: George Washington
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Oct 11, 2023, 9:59 AM
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Leon, I know you catch hell for your opinions, but you are correct. Washington was a true leader with integrity. This nation needs more people of his character, now more than ever. Republicans and Democrats of today are more concerned with advancing themselves and keeping their power, than what is truly best for America. The power and money are seductive and very few are willing to walk away from it.
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Concerning GW & Mt Vernon Estate, a Clemson Man
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Oct 11, 2023, 10:14 AM
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recently retired after being over the care of the lawns & 4 gardens for 51 years!
You can read the fantastic story and see pics of him with home behind him as well as one picture of him with PAW on his attire..
in The CLEMSON WORLD.
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Re: Concerning GW & Mt Vernon Estate, a Clemson Man
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I read that in my Clemson World magazine, Bill. It is a great story!
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Re: George Washington
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I agree. The position, by its very nature, attracts ambitious individuals. But, when it matters most, we need those same individuals to place the nation above themselves just as Washington did.
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Re: George Washington
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You had me right up until the end with you not so veiled comment about we-all-know-who.
Washington was our greatest President, and it wasn't even close. He wasn't the most intellectual, best politician, etc..., but he was the best leader. The man had extreme foresight, forethought, and was pragmatic in a once-in-a-generation kind of way.
I wouldn't fret about "peaceful transitions of power" anytime soon. President's are now selected for us by our rulers. "Let's hope the US doesn't choose someone that puts their own ambitions ahead of the country". Uhh...that ship sailed a while ago. You literally have someone "occupying" (loose term) the White House right now who's poster-boy for just exactly that style of corruption and narcissism, among a list of other tawdry items. You're living smack-dab under exactly what you say you fear and seem to be "a-ok" with how things are going. Count yourself in the minority though. The next 18 mos. are going to be a wild ride my friend, buckle up. It's going to make 2020 look like choir practice.
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It's not corrupt to call Georgia election officials and
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Oct 11, 2023, 10:36 AM
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ask them to "find" 11-12K votes?
Now I am not saying Biden isn't corrupt, because I think they all are to some degree.
All I am saying is don't let your allegiance to one party or ideology blind you toward their transgressions. Otherwise, you're simply a sheep to be herded.
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Re: George Washington
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We have fundamentally different views on Biden. To me, he is so transparently an institutionalist, almost to a fault. Is he corrupt? Depends on how you define the term. Does his ego get in his way? Absolutely. He should not be running for re-election. I think most of the country recognizes this.
However, I still believe that he values the institution above himself. He was the person that certified Trump's victory in the Senate back in 2016, after all. And if Biden were to lose again, I'd be willing to bet that he successfully delivers upon the peaceful transition of power. I don't see him as someone that will press Kamala Harris to not certify the results. I do not believe he will try to use fake electors to overturn the results. And I do not believe he would pressure state officials to tip the election in his favor.
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Getting the popcorn ready.
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There are lot of Trump supporters here, and they will probably disagree about the value of a peaceful transition of power.
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Re: Getting the popcorn ready.
Oct 11, 2023, 11:01 AM
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You're probably right. I value our representative democracy too much. And I recognize just how monumental that moment, when Washington chose to step away, was for the course of human history. I want this experiment to continue. It's been great.
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Re: Getting the popcorn ready.
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Oct 11, 2023, 5:19 PM
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Why call the Founding Fathers Revolution an Experiment? They meant for the new style of Government they had wrought to last for ever. Ever read the Gettysburg address? You're nothing more than a useful idiot for those that want to destroy it. You expose yourself by using the term.
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Re: Getting the popcorn ready.
Oct 11, 2023, 7:26 PM
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Calling the US an experiment is a common phrase. People have been calling us an experiment in democracy since at least the 19th century.
We were an experiment in representative democracy at a time when monarchies ruled. We rebelled against the most powerful empire to establish a government that derives it power from the people. The idea that “all men are created equal” was unique at the time.
This is why Ben Franklin, when talking to a woman after the Continental Congress, said we had produced “a republic madam, if you can keep it.”
I’m not sure where the whole “You're nothing more than a useful idiot for those that want to destroy it. You expose yourself by using the term” even means. Just an odd comment.
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I am sure that your name-calling and child-like rants...
Oct 11, 2023, 7:35 PM
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..are convincing everyone that you're someone whose opinion should be listened to.
But don't let me stop you.
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Re: Getting the popcorn ready.
Oct 11, 2023, 12:25 PM
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Accepting an election-like hillary and the DNC, along with rogue FBI agents making up lies about Trump and going to the FISA court to start a SHAM impeachment?
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Re: Getting the popcorn ready.
Oct 11, 2023, 7:29 PM
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Hillary Clinton conceded the election the day after the results were announced. Donald Trump still claims that the election was stolen from him.
Hillary didn’t try to overturn the results, Trump did.
Trying to draw a moral equivalency between the two is silly. Don’t be silly.
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I agree with you.
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I would love for Donald Trump to take a two year vacation to a deserted island with no internet or TV service.
I would love for Joe Biden to announce he is not running for reelection.
I would love for Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer announce they are retiring on Jan 1, 2024.
It ain't gonna happen, but I would love to see it.
(Note: I apologize for responding to a political post on the football forum, but I tried to make it a non-partisan post.)
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Re: I agree with you.
Oct 11, 2023, 11:03 AM
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I agree very much with what you said. Thank you.
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Re: I agree with you.
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You are correct! I think there are a lot of us out here that feel the same way as well.
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Re: I agree with you.
Oct 11, 2023, 8:10 PM
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Wish that we could have a total reboot.
GW was against political parties in an elected government, claimed that focus would be lost on governing the people.He was right.
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Re: I agree with you.
Oct 12, 2023, 2:06 PM
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Speaking facts
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So you hate FDR.. got it.***
Oct 11, 2023, 10:36 AM
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Re: So you hate FDR.. got it.***
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I disagree with FDR running for a third term after all the previous presidents followed in the precedent established by Washington. However, he still won re-election. It's not like FDR lost, overthrew the results, and instituted himself as a dictator.
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yet he did .. and carried the US
Oct 11, 2023, 11:24 AM
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through WW2.
even though he was selfish, power hungry ahole seeking a 3rd term.
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Re: So you hate FDR.. got it.***
Oct 11, 2023, 7:53 PM
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I disagree with FDR running for a third term after all the previous presidents followed in the precedent established by Washington. However, he still won re-election. It's not like FDR lost, overthrew the results, and instituted himself as a dictator.
FDR did wield great influence outside of his branch of government (ie a supreme court to his liking).
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Attempted? He was ASKED to stay on until he died.
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He turned it all down inspite of having it given to him.
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Re: George Washington
Oct 11, 2023, 10:48 AM
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I'll answer your post with a slight variation of another: Those who would give up liberty for a temporary peace deserve neither. The end game for progressive leftism is a ruling class where there will never really be a transition of power. So,it's getting close to fighting time to preserve a free market democracy.
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Re: George Washington
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Isn't it interesting how the far-right and far-left merge together in their destruction of democracy?
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Re: George Washington
Oct 11, 2023, 2:18 PM
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If we could just evict all of the extremists, and that goes for the All Trumpers and never Trumpers alike. Might take a few weeks for news reporting to resume.
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He was afraid of dying in office, and as President...
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Oct 11, 2023, 11:15 AM
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was at the forefront of the battle lines being drawn over state sovereignty.
In under a lifetime, ~850,000 died as a result of this long building conflict, because of and at the hands of the nationalist, Lincoln.
I'm sure you teach that as well.
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Since you obviously love Lincoln so much...
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Oct 11, 2023, 7:37 PM
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I am currently reading a book called, "A Team of Rivals" by Kearns.
It's really good, you should check it out.
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Thanks, PBT, but you might be hard pressed to find an era...
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piece of the time that I don't know.
Lincoln as others did some good things, but emancipator he was not. He was clear the war was about buildings, which is one of the whys Lee turned him down and resigned his commission. Lincoln hid behind the Lieber Code in hopes of creating revolt in the South, which Honest Abe had created only after Burnside leveled Fredericksburg, which at the time of its sacking was considered a crime of war.
Those that believe in karma could be led to feel the murdering bastich, Lincoln, earned his comeuppance and .44-cal at Ford's.
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Re: Thanks, PBT, but you might be hard pressed to find an era...
Oct 12, 2023, 9:19 AM
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Not about Lincoln, but I'm reading a book called America in Retreat. It really makes me question my non-interventionist stances towards foreign policy.
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Washington was very much an isolationist in he feared...
Oct 12, 2023, 9:42 AM
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and loathed intervention from foreign powers in US politics, and wanted limited interaction at all turns.
Very few things I've waffled on more than the US's role on this tiny blue speck in a ballooning universe. The US does not belong in Ukraine; Russian-Ukranian struggles have existed for 100s of years. The US has used Ukraine as proxy for far too long and should be held as responsible for the bloodshed there.
It's not necessarily the US's to determine right or wrong, which oft falls unfairly to a victor and too often the bully, but then unfettered evil should not go unchecked.
I've seen the book commented on before, but haven't as much as glossed over a detailing or CliffsNotes of any sort. Thanks for peaking the interest again, I may give it a whirl.
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Re: Washington was very much an isolationist in he feared...
Oct 12, 2023, 9:47 AM
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The author makes pretty sound arguments in favor of US intervention globally. That's why I'm reading it. He is writing about an ideology that I disagree with. But the book has certainly made me think critically about my beliefs.
I always love a good challenge though.
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Did you awake this morning thinking that today is a good...
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day to reveal facts about Honest Abe. The truth of your message is surpassed only by the ignorance of those who have forgotten that the victors write the history books.
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Now, now, you be nice, you know, so I don't have to be...
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I keed, I keed...
Enjoy your day, ClemsonTiger1988®.
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WRONG BOARD!!!***
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We already made this mistake in 2020
Oct 11, 2023, 3:04 PM
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or at least the voting machines tell us that.
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Why in the Hayul are you posting this on a FB board?***
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Re: George Washington
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Leon Trotsky was a lying ####.
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Re: George Washington
Oct 11, 2023, 8:13 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but in Washington's day weren't white men the only voters and representatives?
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Re: George Washington
Oct 12, 2023, 9:18 AM
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Landowning white men aged 21 and older, to be precise.
But voting was a state issue, not the national government. States made their own voting laws. It wasn't until after the Civil War that the national government passed constitutional amendments that guaranteed the right to vote for other citizens. I'm certainly glad that our Founding Fathers created a system f government that is able to change and adapt over time, in order to ensure all citizens gain the promises of equal rights.
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states got over it.
The Founding Fathers, by the way, were traitors to the Articles of Confederation & Perpetual Union. As Madison said, "if the general population had known what they were up to, it would not have been done."
It's why Washington demanded the doors and windows locked, curtains drawn, guards posted and every meeting, most certainly any notes, held in complete secrecy, all participants to face Washington's wrath if they swayed a modicum outside the given rule.
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