|
Replies: 68
| visibility 9286
|
Top TigerNet [31504]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 16509
Joined: 2008
|
I do not understand why adults
1
11
11
Sep 22, 2024, 3:46 PM
|
|
Would slander or demean a young person for making a decision that is lawful and seeks to get the best paying job possible in the power 4 college football industry.
Would you slander your friend's youngster for getting the market value for his skills?
We are better than demeaning those youngsters who choose to play for another team. Wish them luck if they considered Clemson and let that be our response to not being able to or wanting to compete in the current market that is willing to pay more than we for the top talent. But that means we MUST have the BEST EXPERIENCED coaches available to develop what talent we do get.
|
|
|
|
 |
110%er [3720]
TigerPulse: 64%
35
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
8
8
Sep 22, 2024, 3:54 PM
|
|
I think it conflicts with the idea that players love their school the way the fans do. People don't want to believe that. You'll hear about how players from a few years ago were different - had more integrity and commitment. People want to ignore that those players didn't have the financial options which are available today.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [31504]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 16509
Joined: 2008
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
3
Sep 22, 2024, 4:01 PM
|
|
I think that is a good response. Had past players had the opportunity to get market value for their talent, I suspect many who chose Clemson would have gone to who was willing to pay more.
Great insight on your part.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [27378]
TigerPulse: 100%
54
Posts: 33577
Joined: 2009
|
Why would you expect an 18 year old kid who has
1
Sep 22, 2024, 7:23 PM
[ in reply to Re: I do not understand why adults ] |
|
Set foot on the campus maybe once to have the same love as you do as a 20+ year fan ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ultimate Tiger [38958]
TigerPulse: 100%
56
Posts: 22308
Joined: 2003
|
WRONG !!!! Don't Commit If You Are Not Going To Do It...Doesn't Surprise Me a
1
Sep 22, 2024, 7:28 PM
[ in reply to Re: I do not understand why adults ] |
|
Bit to see this type of response from you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3239]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 23, 2024, 9:02 AM
[ in reply to Re: I do not understand why adults ] |
|
They commit to a school that fits them and they would love to attend . Then a school like Thug U with a coach like Kirby comes along and simply buys the player to play for them . Then the ThugU fans do chest bumps in the mirror because their coach did NOTHING more than purchase a championship.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3720]
TigerPulse: 64%
35
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 23, 2024, 3:39 PM
|
|
So the player finds the perfect fit, a school he woulud love to attend but then Kirby comes along and makes him take money to play for UGA? Is that how it works in your life....you find the perfect job or situation but someone comes along and makes you take money to change your mind?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3496]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
7
7
Sep 22, 2024, 3:58 PM
|
|
If you are not committed then don’t commit. Simple as that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Head Coach [954]
TigerPulse: 100%
24
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
3
Sep 22, 2024, 7:07 PM
|
|
So you’re still with the first company you joined when you graduated? I mean you committed to them right?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
Exactly!
Sep 23, 2024, 9:41 AM
|
|
The level of hypocrisy from those who recommitted from their job to take another one is astonishing.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Solid Orange [1386]
TigerPulse: 93%
28
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 23, 2024, 9:58 AM
[ in reply to Re: I do not understand why adults ] |
|
The shift is that being a football player was not a job. Being a student was the job. Now football players are no different to me than the groundskeeper that takes care of the field. I'm sure there are plenty of groundskeepers out there too.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Sports Icon [54151]
TigerPulse: 100%
59
Posts: 43804
Joined: 2004
|
I bet theyre the same people who are upset Nancy scored garbage time points
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:01 PM
|
|
yesterday.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Immortal [63842]
TigerPulse: 100%
60
Posts: 41293
Joined: 2004
|
i loved every one of them. Was hoping for a 58-59 final with NCSU missing
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:07 PM
|
|
a last second chip-shot FG from the 10 yd line, so was a little disappointed in the end. Garbage time points are awesome.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3913]
TigerPulse: 100%
35
|
I need more context before I post a stupid follow up
Sep 22, 2024, 4:01 PM
|
|
Work with me here? I’m one of the 60% computer is still loading mental idiots out there.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Elite [73514]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
Posts: 117794
Joined: 1998
|
Re: I need more context before I post a stupid follow up- I'm guessing
Sep 22, 2024, 4:15 PM
|
|
the underlying decommitment from us by the DL and apparent shift to UNC is the basis here
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Conqueror [11165]
TigerPulse: 86%
46
Posts: 14423
Joined: 2004
|
Because those fans have a holier than thou mentality
3
Sep 22, 2024, 4:04 PM
|
|
Since Dabo doesn’t “play the game” they throw their hate toward the player.
If Dabo ever changed his stance or actions on the issue, those same fans would change theirs on a dime because they can’t think for themselves.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3673]
TigerPulse: 100%
35
|
Re: Because those fans have a holier than thou mentality
1
Sep 22, 2024, 4:25 PM
|
|
The problem is there is always a chance for a higher bidder when the auction has no end date! If you can't regulate paying players can the regulate a salary cap?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Head Coach [954]
TigerPulse: 100%
24
|
Re: Because those fans have a holier than thou mentality
1
Sep 22, 2024, 7:14 PM
|
|
This is exactly the problem, the incompetence of the NCAA allowed this mess to just be dropped on everyone with out any framework or agreed upon rules, blame them not the kids. It’s making professional football players without professionalizing the organization surrounding it. Think about if the NFL had wide open year round free agency and no salary cap every year, it’d be madness and the league would fall apart.
The NCAA is scared of the courts, states are making up laws one by one, nothing is level or clear, tampering is rampant and unenforceable. The only thing that will bring an end to this insanity is a breakaway league. Start fresh from the NCAA with a collective bargaining agreement between the players and organizations (formally known as schools) with minimum contract terms and actual penalties for things like tampering
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2243]
TigerPulse: 100%
32
|
You nailed it!
Sep 22, 2024, 9:39 PM
|
|
Thanks!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Protector [1469]
TigerPulse: 100%
29
|
Re: Because those fans have a holier than thou mentality
1
Sep 22, 2024, 5:43 PM
[ in reply to Because those fans have a holier than thou mentality ] |
|
Just like there’s no reason to criticize a recruit, there’s no reason to assert that you know how Tiger fans think, or put words in their mouth. Lazy and cheap shot take.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Conqueror [11165]
TigerPulse: 86%
46
Posts: 14423
Joined: 2004
|
hit nail on head did I???...?..***
Sep 22, 2024, 6:55 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [24892]
TigerPulse: 94%
54
Posts: 17252
Joined: 2002
|
Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Sep 23, 2024, 8:41 AM
|
|
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [31504]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 16509
Joined: 2008
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
1
Sep 22, 2024, 4:07 PM
|
|
Thanks TX Tiger for the TD. I see you didn't have the ballsÿ to just respond with why you disagreed with the post. I don't post thinking everyone has to agree, but if you are too lazy or chicken to reply, then don't hide behind a TD. I won't return the TD, because I just called you out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2643]
TigerPulse: 100%
33
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
5
5
Sep 22, 2024, 4:22 PM
|
|
I agree there is no reason to slander or demean these recruits. However there are some people like me that think a full ride 4 year scholarship is still pay enough for these “student athletes”. Some of us do not want the college game to turn into minor league football. Sometimes the future is not always better just because more money is available at another school. Lastly a commitment is a commitment, and once you make a commitment you should stand by it and not keep looking for a better deal.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3720]
TigerPulse: 64%
35
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:26 PM
|
|
I don't disagree with you about the value of the scholarship. I just don't see a player considering money when picking one school over another as a character flaw.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tiger Titan [46606]
TigerPulse: 78%
58
Posts: 34844
Joined: 2003
|
Exactly. Its nothing personal, just business.***
1
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:30 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1786]
TigerPulse: 100%
31
|
I believe that was the line in "Taken".***
Sep 22, 2024, 9:03 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2643]
TigerPulse: 100%
33
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:35 PM
[ in reply to Re: I do not understand why adults ] |
|
For me it is as simple as breaking your commitment, and to me that is a character flaw. If for any reason a person goes back on their promise that is a character flaw.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [29082]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 10761
Joined: 2013
|
Commitment is commitment. A man's word should mean something.
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:25 PM
|
|
A real man keeps his word. If his word is weak, the man is weak.
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
noun
1.T he state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc.
"the company's commitment to quality"
Similar:
dedication
devotion
allegiance
loyalty
faithfulness
fidelity
bond
adherence
attentiveness
2. An engagement or obligation that restricts freedom of action.
"business commitments"
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [31504]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 16509
Joined: 2008
|
Re: Commitment is commitment. A man's word should mean something.
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:40 PM
|
|
If one views this as a personal issue and not a business decision, that commitment takes on a different meaning.
I now view all of these top recruits as making business decisions. The only binding business decision is a legal contract in writing which we don't currently have. Not sure how we get thst.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Conqueror [11647]
TigerPulse: 100%
46
|
Re: Commitment is commitment. A man's word should mean something.
Sep 22, 2024, 4:45 PM
|
|
I really don’t separate my business decisions from my personal decisions. I think they both reflect on character. I never criticize these young players for reopening their recruitment, but if it is done strictly for money, I think it does reflect on their priorities.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [3720]
TigerPulse: 64%
35
|
Re: Commitment is commitment. A man's word should mean something.
3
Sep 22, 2024, 4:48 PM
|
|
I don't think it's wrong for these guys to make finances a priority. To some degree, we all do. It shouldn't surprise anyone when a kid who comes from a family who doesn't have much financially decides to help them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Master [16860]
TigerPulse: 91%
51
Posts: 27066
Joined: 2003
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
They are adults******
Sep 22, 2024, 5:26 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rival Killer [2992]
TigerPulse: 61%
33
|
|
|
|
|
|
Tiger Titan [46606]
TigerPulse: 78%
58
Posts: 34844
Joined: 2003
|
I agree 100%.
1
4
Sep 22, 2024, 4:27 PM
|
|
Many of those fans criticizing these young men are hypocrites, as they would almost certainly not refuse a job offer in their line of work that offered them a substantial raise.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1211]
TigerPulse: 86%
27
|
Poor analogy, apples and oranges, are you on..
1
1
Sep 22, 2024, 4:35 PM
|
|
the Spectrum?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
Agreed.
Sep 22, 2024, 5:27 PM
[ in reply to I agree 100%. ] |
|
They go all ❄️❄️❄️ when their standards are applied to themselves.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Walk-On [70]
TigerPulse: 100%
8
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 4:30 PM
|
|
Some strange and bitter undertones to that post. It is not slander to say, that if your word means nothing, the substance of your character must necessarily stand in doubt. No one should slander these young turncoats, and by slander you must mean to accuse of false or dubious claims; but the verbal reproof is earned and naturally should be expected.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Conqueror [11647]
TigerPulse: 100%
46
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 4:47 PM
|
|
Yes …. He definitely used the wrong word. Slander is illegal in South Carolina and I fo not think anyone has been slandered.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
The correct word is libel*"****
Sep 22, 2024, 7:12 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1211]
TigerPulse: 86%
27
|
Fan is a derivative of the word...
Sep 22, 2024, 4:31 PM
|
|
Fanaticism which is a state of extreme, uncritical devotion to a subject or idea which may lead to unreasonable or violent behavior. Fwiw, I hope that wishy/washy, mercurial, turncoat, self entitled s o b never plays another down of football.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ring of Honor [21284]
TigerPulse: 100%
53
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 4:31 PM
|
|
They’re pros now comes with the territory, I personally wouldn’t do it but not going to clutch my pearls either
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Legend [12387]
TigerPulse: 72%
47
Posts: 20914
Joined: 2005
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 4:32 PM
|
|
Dude they are pro athletes. This isnt little Timmy who is going to school to be an engineer.
Screw em.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [31504]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 16509
Joined: 2008
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 4:46 PM
|
|
Well, that is one way to look at it. If they were not young, immature, and in far too many cases coming from a less than desirable financial background, I could see that.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3496]
TigerPulse: 100%
34
|
Ill try and help. Dabo commits to a player by
1
Sep 22, 2024, 4:49 PM
|
|
not continuing to recruit his position and tell him he’s out of luck if he finds a better player. It’s called character and commitment. Not sure why adults struggle with that. Players have plenty of people around them to not use the 17 year old excuse. If you can’t commit. Don’t commit until you have all your financial ducks in a row.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Day Hero [4430]
TigerPulse: 100%
36
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
2
Sep 22, 2024, 4:50 PM
|
|
Anyone who commits and decommits deserves criticism. If you want to play the market then don’t commit anywhere until you get the highest dollar.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
If you've ever changed jobs...
Sep 22, 2024, 5:44 PM
|
|
...your comment is hypocritical.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Head Coach [976]
TigerPulse: 97%
24
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
1
Sep 22, 2024, 5:06 PM
|
|
He didn’t keep his word. No more than that. Hopefully that’s not becoming a value of the past.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Legend [12891]
TigerPulse: 100%
47
Posts: 12640
Joined: 2001
|
Fair enough. But I don't understand the word "commitment".***
Sep 22, 2024, 5:14 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
Nailed it! ******
Sep 22, 2024, 5:22 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2391]
TigerPulse: 100%
32
|
There's a flip side to that coin.
1
Sep 22, 2024, 5:33 PM
|
|
Let's say a kid accepts a job (as you put it) with a program, and the program stops recruiting for that job because of that commitment. Then another program comes along with a bigger bag of money, and the kid decommits to the first program that suddenly has to go find someone else to fill the job.
I'd submit that the first program has suffered financial (material) damages that, in the real world, could be seen as breach.
As of today, the business side of NIL hasn't quite yet caught up with the entitlement the kids are feeling. Right now, they've got the leverage.
But it won't last.
And these kids and their goofball parents/guardians better grow thick skin and show up with actual agents and attorneys.
Because one day probably sooner than later, a "commitment" is going to be seen as a professional services/player development contract that both parties must honor (at least for the first year or two.)
And then, Dabo is going to look like an even bigger genius, because his will be one of the few programs that will *actually* be able to say,
"If you SIGN A CONTRACT with Clemson, we probably WON'T BREACH the contract and go find some free agent when you don't play like a hall of famer year 1. If you want an every-man-for-himself situation, go play for Florida State or Colorado."
|
|
|
|
|
|
Top TigerNet [31504]
TigerPulse: 100%
55
Posts: 16509
Joined: 2008
|
Re: There's a flip side to that coin.
1
Sep 22, 2024, 5:52 PM
|
|
Sometime in the not distant future, CFB on power 5 is going to be NFL lite on every respect, including a college draft and players are employees under contract for 4 years. Then it is all a business in every respect.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
Maybe not. They may be contractors, not employees******
Sep 22, 2024, 7:06 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [24892]
TigerPulse: 94%
54
Posts: 17252
Joined: 2002
|
marlborocountycoot = cutigerinflorida = bluffton orange man
Sep 23, 2024, 8:42 AM
|
|
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2391]
TigerPulse: 100%
32
|
Which makes them all fair game for whatever vitriol
Sep 23, 2024, 2:55 PM
[ in reply to Re: There's a flip side to that coin. ] |
|
fans throw at them when they go back on their commitment to the program. Sorry that they're only 17, 18, 19 years old. They took this all the way to SCOTUS and got what they wanted.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
FSU or Colorado???
Sep 22, 2024, 7:05 PM
[ in reply to There's a flip side to that coin. ] |
|
Appeal to Outliers logical fallacy, much?
But since you brought it up, Colorado is 3-1. Just...like..us.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Changer [1786]
TigerPulse: 100%
31
|
I must have missed our 3rd win somewhere.***
1
Sep 22, 2024, 9:33 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2391]
TigerPulse: 100%
32
|
Appeal to outliers? Really?
Sep 23, 2024, 2:53 PM
[ in reply to FSU or Colorado??? ] |
|
FSU and Colorado are not portal/NIL outliers. They're the poster kids of it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Paw Warrior [4884]
TigerPulse: 100%
37
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 6:13 PM
|
|
Let's look at it from the other direction. If Dabo had pulled the offer for this kid after his commitment just because a better DE wanted the job (or if another DE of equal skill was willing to play for less $$), we'd rightly be complaining that Dabo's "business decision" was wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [1240]
TigerPulse: 73%
27
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 22, 2024, 6:54 PM
|
|
There are plenty of lawful things that most folks would chose not to participate in! What is the purpose of a university education...you may not be able to answer that or chose to...colleges are supposed to give you an advantage succeeding for the rest of your life...most of these only want to play in the NFL...ain't success great!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
False Generalization, much?
Sep 22, 2024, 7:10 PM
|
|
Less than 2% of college football athletes every get a NFL contract.
The other 98% know it. The ones that get NIL money want to maximize their up front $$.
Given that a lot of them come from poor families, it's a big deal to them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Clemson Icon [24892]
TigerPulse: 94%
54
Posts: 17252
Joined: 2002
|
Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Sep 23, 2024, 8:43 AM
|
|
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-Time Great [89400]
TigerPulse: 100%
63
Posts: 24760
Joined: 2006
|
What makes us think that they are adults?***
1
Sep 23, 2024, 9:04 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dynasty Maker [3136]
TigerPulse: 76%
34
|
18 or older. Legally they are adults****
Sep 23, 2024, 9:39 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Game Day Hero [4518]
TigerPulse: 100%
36
|
Re: I do not understand why adults
Sep 23, 2024, 6:02 PM
|
|
When the NCAA adapts similar rules on contracts that the NFL uses, this will again be a great sport. Right now it is crooked as a dogs hind leg.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 68
| visibility 9286
|
|
|
50
