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Orange Elite [5163]
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FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
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Sep 3, 2024, 9:40 AM
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Are not working
No one is advocating signing 20 portal guys a year
But signing 2-3-4 guys that fill critical gaps makes a ton of sense
We obviously have a few gaps and lack of depth at key positions
The difference in Clemson and UGA on Saturday was a 2-3 players at critical positions
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and like 17 arrests , around 564 diplomas, and 2-3 strip poles.***
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Sep 3, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Head Coach [945]
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Re: and like 17 arrests , around 564 diplomas, and 2-3 strip poles.***
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Sep 3, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Deflecting the point about the transfer portal. You must love losing
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Top TigerNet [32378]
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i didn't lose a single thing Saturday and neither did you
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Sep 3, 2024, 3:03 PM
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I went to Atlanta, hung out with my eldest son and a few good friends and watched Clemson play some football.
Overall, it was a great weekend.
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Rival Killer [2664]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 9:49 AM
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I doubt any of the “what about FSU” posters don’t already realize this. They’re just trying to defend Dabo from the mean world. In truth Dabo has already tried acquiring a few portal players. So to these posters I guess he was hoping to replace all the starters with portal players and it just didn’t work out.
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Clemson Conqueror [11165]
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well it proves that Clemson is NOT the approach to take............
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Sep 3, 2024, 10:08 AM
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FSU's approach, while more extreme than what I'd advocate for Clemson, it worked 13-0 last year. The sustainability w/ a Colorado type approach is not a "long term" blueprint of success. I've seen nobody advocating for Clemson to go that route at all.
Our roster talent looks so much different if Dabo brought in 5-ish portal guys to fill gaps instead of having some legendary false confidence in a guy like Cole Turner.............Dabo MUST have a more honest assessment of his talent and utilize the portal/NIL to acquire better talent or else the last 4 years will turn into the next 4 years.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Nothing since 1969
Sep 3, 2024, 10:15 AM
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Game Day Hero [4362]
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And if the $20 million team doesnt pan out
Sep 3, 2024, 10:10 AM
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That extreme NIL approach won’t seem viable either
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Legend [6647]
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FSU got the wrong QB out of the portal
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Sep 3, 2024, 10:13 AM
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Where would they be if they had gotten Cam Ward instead of DJU?
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Dynasty Maker [3294]
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As far as I'm concerned, they got the right one :)***
Sep 3, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Head Coach [912]
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Re: FSU got the wrong QB out of the portal
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They would still lost at least one of those games. DJU is not their only problem. They are very bad at the LOS on both sides of the ball.
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Clemson Icon [26921]
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I'm not sure, but I think UGA signed double figures in portal guys...
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Sep 3, 2024, 10:15 AM
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.... this year.
Portal players are like recruiting. You hit on some and you miss on some. Up until this year, Norvell had a remarkably high pct of hits. This year, it appears he has a ton of whiffs. His "highest ranked portal guys" this year are
DJU
Marvin Jones Jr.
Roydell Williams
Malik Benson
Darrell Jackson (signed last year but was ineligible so this is his first year playing)
None of them have done anything noteworthy, in a good sense, on the field.
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Re: I'm not sure, but I think UGA signed double figures in portal guys...
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Sep 3, 2024, 10:38 AM
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Exactly right.
When you lose a bunch of proven players, you have question marks. Backfilling with bench, high school recruits, or portal players can be done, but those question marks remain until there are answers.
Sometimes your portal players hit, sometimes they don't. Sometimes your 5-star players hit, and Lord knows sometimes they don't.
Either way, can't take for granted that you have anything but questions marks until you don't. You know when you know, not before.
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Dynasty Maker [3116]
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That discounts the couple of dozen they got...
Sep 4, 2024, 10:48 AM
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...in the previous two or three years that are still in their roster.
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The difference in Clemson and UGa on Saturday...
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Sep 3, 2024, 10:22 AM
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was UGa made some good adjustments at the half while Clemson...well...didn't.
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Game Changer [1736]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 10:34 AM
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Exactly
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Recruit [79]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 10:44 AM
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Not a portal fan in general because it appears to just be trying to outbid other teams. However I'm also not against taking 4-5 guys in areas of significant need. Unfortunately you can't make those you need come. You must have money available to outbid the others. You also have to be willing to tamper with those you specifically need. Portal players that are TALENTED enough to actually help us are already pretty sure of their destination before announcing they are available. To be successful in the portal you've got to have the money and a willingness to ignore the squishy NCAA rules.
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Commissioner [1211]
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Guidelines not rules...
Sep 4, 2024, 8:01 AM
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There are a lot of 3 stars at lower profile institutions that are now confirmed hits but won't be able to command the high end $ but we'd still have the another barrier of our own creation to contend when recruiting the TP. The stigma created by our well publicized consistent aversion to the TP.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59561]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 10:56 AM
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I have just one question, what are the critical gaps that we have that there isn't already a highly talented player playing that position.
I cross my heart and swear that I don't believe we have a player talent gap. Now if someone was to say that we have position coaching gaps mainly bc of inexperienced coaching, I would know exactly where to look, and I probably would agree 100%...
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110%er [3815]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 4, 2024, 6:06 AM
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This x1000. We have the talent to have a good offense. The coaching staff is the real issue. Granted I'm not opposed to taking 4 or 5 transfer guys to fill in roster issues. (And yes, that means stop offering scholarships to guys that are 3-4 year projects coming out of high school and coaches/legacy kids)
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Standout [301]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 11:00 AM
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So whats it worth?
QB market range: $500,000 to $800,000
Just like in the NFL, quarterback is the most valuable position in college football. There are some notable outliers here -- more on them in a second -- but the industry agrees that you can get a quality starting Power Four quarterback in the $500,000 to $800,000 range. The high-end price for a Power Four starting quarterback is in the $2 million range, according to multiple people with deep knowledge of the market. "There's a couple people north of $2 million, but you're mostly in that $600,000-$800,000," the NIL expert said.
RB market range: $200,000 to $300,000
Following the NFL trend, running back is a position that typically is on the low end of a program's salary, but certain schools are willing to spend well beyond the range to either keep or acquire elite running backs.
WR market range: $75,000 to $300,000
This is a highly important position but one where you need multiple starters, so the individual numbers aren't as high as other positions.
OL market range: $350,000 to $500,000
A high-end left tackle can make more than this range, but similarly there can be value found at the guard positions. It's an interesting position where you need a lot of them, but you also can never have too many offensive linemen.
DL market range: $250,000 to $600,000
LB market range: $100,000 to $300,000
This may have been the hardest position to pin down because there was a disparity in conversations with sources in the cost between an elite off-ball linebacker who can rush the passer and a starting middle linebacker. Multiple insiders put the high end at $600,000, which admittedly feels high for a traditional off-ball linebacker, but it makes more sense when you think of getting a player like former Alabama "linebacker" Will Anderson at that value.
DB market range: $120,000 to $225,000
There are some schools that really value this position and are willing to spend up on it, but by and large, it is one of the cheaper positions in which to acquire starting talent. The top end of the cornerback market for surefire, elite starters is in the $250,000-$400,000 range, according to multiple sources.
Source CBS SPorts
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Clemson Sports Icon [59561]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 11:26 AM
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If there is any accuracy with the prices that's being quoted for a top shelf QB, that would mean that if Trevor would have been 2-3 years later, we would've never had Trevor nor the NC or the records that he broke or set while at Clemson bc his value would surely have been the 2 million range. With that said I'm positive with what's been said about our inability to raise that kind of money for our NIL bank, our Clemson Tigers would have been Trevor less bc we couldn't come up with 2 mil for just one FB QB.
If it's a championship type of FB team that we're after year in and year out, wouldn't it be best if our athletic department suspend FB until a new college FB league was formed, or until there has been some pretty strict rules formed for the NIL and the transfer portal. If 2 million bucks is the going rate for a Trevor Lawrence type QB in 2024, it will go up to 3 to 4 million by 2026, and with those kinds of prices it would eliminate 60 to 70% of college FB team to compete for a top ranked QB...
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 11:04 AM
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We will never pay what is the going rate - won't happen so your argument is worthless
You just can't pitch and choose
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 11:09 AM
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With over 3000 in the portal you are talking about 5-10% who might command that kind of money. There is lots of productivity in the remaining 2800 that are providing good value to the other 130 teams that go after them, who also don't have the big dollars to spend.
I doubt BC paid anywhere near top dollar to attract their QB who played a great game and could have helped a team like ours.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59561]
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 3, 2024, 11:37 PM
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The important thing here is that nobody actually knows how much BC had to pay for their QB. What I do know is this, with all those rich folks in and around Boston Mass, they probably could afford to pay him what the cost was...
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Commissioner [1211]
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Probable inference..obvious inverse correlation..
Sep 4, 2024, 7:30 AM
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Well seems obvious after you made the distinction—
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Dynasty Maker [3116]
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No, they aren't.
Sep 4, 2024, 7:43 AM
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FSU was beaten by two teams with lots of transfers, and their own inept QB.
Cine to think of it, so werecw
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Dynasty Maker [3116]
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Come to think of it, so were we.******
Sep 4, 2024, 10:50 AM
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 4, 2024, 7:44 AM
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As with most things in this life, either extreme is usually not the best thing. Moderation is the key.
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
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Except when it comes to calling a behind the line of scrimmage pass on 3rd and 14. ###?
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 4, 2024, 5:49 PM
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Those types of plays I see they grind your gears the same as they do me!!!
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GA used the portal and kick our tails
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Re: FSU and Clemson are proof that the 2 extreme portal approaches
Sep 4, 2024, 6:28 PM
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We can only blame the portal for a few years of that ugly 125 year history.
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