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Football recruiting observation
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Feb 16, 2023, 4:43 PM
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I follow recruiting very closely and it is a daily obsession. I don’t post on it much because I am not trying to get that attention. Anyways, some people have mentioned about Josiah Thompson getting crystal ball the other day to the Gamecocks. I feel we have a legitimate shot at him still even though perceived as a Gamecock lean. I noticed the crystal ball was from Gamecock insider, Tony Morrell. I understand being a homer, but looking this percentages of being correct (76%) to others like Wilfong (91%) is laughable. Just saying that percentage is awful compared to everyone else I saw on there as I looked. Maybe we might get him, but maybe not. Just a thought
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If not, another indictment on our oline development/coaching***
Feb 16, 2023, 5:37 PM
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Re: If not, another indictment on our oline development/coaching***
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Feb 16, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Not sure how not getting a commitment is an indictment on development/coaching. Clemson has put some OL in the NFL recently. Recruiting maybe, but in state kids are different. If they grow up coots (obviously questionable parenting) and their dream is to play for them, it’s a tough nut to crack. IF back in the day I was a prized recruit, there is NO WAY I would go to USuC. Even IF they had a record like Bama.
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I shall explain…
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Feb 16, 2023, 9:30 PM
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If your football team is known to not have a very good O line for year after year and very few of your o linemen get drafted or signed in the NFL, you get a reputation for not being a good place to go if you have NFL aspirations. Once that perception amd narrative starts to settle in, other recruiters use that against you.
Here comes the development and coaching part. Why are we able to recruit a 4* but not get him to the NFL? 🤔
Just think about it. I’m sure you will see the connection to our oline recruiting challenges of late.
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Re: I shall explain…
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Feb 16, 2023, 9:40 PM
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How many more OL have the Coots put in the NFL than we have?
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Re: I shall explain…
Feb 16, 2023, 9:42 PM
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If your football team is known to not have a very good O line for year after year and very few of your o linemen get drafted or signed in the NFL, you get a reputation for not being a good place to go if you have NFL aspirations. Once that perception amd narrative starts to settle in, other recruiters use that against you.
Here comes the development and coaching part. Why are we able to recruit a 4* but not get him to the NFL? 🤔
Just think about it. I’m sure you will see the connection to our oline recruiting challenges of late.
Of late, do you mean the three 4* recruits in the last signing class or do you mean the highly recruited guys interested in us for the next class? I swear, some of y’all lack basic reasoning skills. Trying to pin your narrative on why three instate guys chose the coots is silly at best
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Re: I shall explain…
Feb 16, 2023, 10:56 PM
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I look across the NFL and see plenty of OL from small schools or undrafted FA (Tyler Shatley comes to mind). OL is probably one of the hardest positions to grade, not only coming out of HS but coming out of college. I think Austin is doing a good job so far, but as was mentioned before, development has to become apparent. As for instate recruitment, I’ll stick to my guns on that, which is the gist of the original poast.
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Re: I shall explain…
Feb 17, 2023, 11:54 AM
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If he had beaten the ##### and /or TN things would probably be different. They are selling That they have a chance to be good. We waited too long with Big Cinco in the ##### game and with our OC game plan in the TN game
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Re: I shall explain…
Feb 17, 2023, 11:55 AM
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If he had beaten the ##### and /or TN things would probably be different. They are selling That they have a chance to be good. We waited too long with Big Cinco in the ##### game and with our OC game plan in the TN game
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Re: I shall explain…
Feb 17, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Shatley was originally a defensive lineman and he switched and was developed into an offensive lineman at Clemson
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Fair enough… I just don’t like the trend and it seems our
Feb 20, 2023, 9:40 AM
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History is being used against us. I like Austin and hope he hits it out of the park this year on the field and in recruiting myself.
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One every so often is expected, but multiple?
Feb 20, 2023, 9:38 AM
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That signals something believable is out there signaling to them that their chances are better with the coots than us for their future aspirations. Why else would so many make such a choice if they thought otherwise. That is the point here.
Whatever story the recruits are getting from the coots, it is apparently sticking. I think Scar is pointing to our lackluster NFL production at o line and their O line coaches history before joining the coots.
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Re: Football recruiting observation
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Feb 16, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Unfortunately Wiltfong is part of that group CBing Thompson to the coots
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Re: Football recruiting observation
Feb 16, 2023, 6:33 PM
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I missed that one. Good point. The other two #### writers have an even worse prediction rate at and below 65% . Just amazes me that they are wrong that much and considered insiders for them
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Re: Football recruiting observation
Feb 16, 2023, 6:53 PM
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He seems to be headed down to Columbia. Thankful getting the OC. We will be fine though.
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Re: Football recruiting observation
Feb 16, 2023, 9:12 PM
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Sub par offensive line play has been part of our DNA for quite a while. Yeah, we recruited a few blue chippers when we were winning national championships but the reality is we never really did a decent job of developing offensive linemen. Dabo waited waaay too long to address that issue. Glad he finally did it, though. It won’t get turned around instantly, it’s going to take some time.
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Well, at least Dabo managed to
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Feb 16, 2023, 9:15 PM
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Eke out a couple national championships before addressing the OLine issues.
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The Oline issues started after the first natty…***
Feb 16, 2023, 9:34 PM
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How do you figure that?***
Feb 17, 2023, 4:26 AM
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You hit the nail on the head sir… but it shouldn’t take long
Feb 16, 2023, 9:33 PM
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To see progress if the right coaches are in place. So this will be the test year for Austin to show he is the guy. We need to see serious progress in pass protection this year.
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This is Austin’s test year… recruiting and coaching***
Feb 16, 2023, 9:35 PM
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Re: This is Austin’s test year… recruiting and coaching***
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Feb 17, 2023, 5:05 AM
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Thompson is Columbia bound. Ships sailed. We need to focus on Franks. I cannot understand for the life of me why Dabo is stubborn about the portal. There are plenty of small school, seasoned O-linemen that would surely jump at the chance to play here!
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Re: Football recruiting observation
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Feb 16, 2023, 10:40 PM
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I won’t comment on development but everyone’s takes on recruiting is laughable… let’s see how this class closes because so far when Dabo misses to the coots he improves.
2023:
Clemson per rivals OL 5.9, 5.9, 5.8
UofSC per rivals OL 5.8, 5.8, 5.6, 5.6
2022:
Clemson 5.9, 5.9
UofSC 5.7, 5.7, 5.6
2021:
Clemson 6.1, 5.9, 5.9, 5.7
UofSC 5.5, 5.5
We can talk development but my goodness the point on recruiting is a joke. At least try research before making dumb posts about how bad UofSCjr is killing us on recruiting trail for OL lol. It’s laughable.
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Re: Football recruiting observation
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Feb 17, 2023, 8:17 AM
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Many of our "fans" regurgitate a narrative they read on another board or fakebook then spew it here as if it was fact. Thanks for including some actual data!
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Re: Football recruiting observation
Feb 17, 2023, 11:18 AM
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I wouldn’t say Rivals is the best site for scouting and ranking talent but that’s besides the point. It’ll be tough to find two OT talents like Thompson and Pringle, especially so close to home. We have to expand the board asap so we can draw some more OL for March spring practices.
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Re: Football recruiting observation
Feb 17, 2023, 11:22 AM
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I would say Rivals is the most accurate… they all have flaws but Rivals is more accurate than not. A lot of the others lost me when they had Deshaun a 4 star and Justin Fields ahead of Trevor.
As for the expanding board I will assume we are doing just that. I said wait until the end of class to judge based on what we get… I used the above to share despite our “misses” we bring in equal and better talent.
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It is the recent oline recruits lost that is alarming, not
Feb 20, 2023, 9:48 AM
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Prior year oline classes. That’s the point here. It is a trend heading in the wrong direction is all.
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Re: Football recruiting observation
Feb 17, 2023, 9:28 AM
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He’s been a USCjr homer a while
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Not sure why so many don’t understand the dynamic involved…
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Feb 17, 2023, 11:28 AM
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… with kids born and raised in the state of South Carolina.
99% of kids who grew up in this state are not “on the fence” regarding their preference for Clemson or SCAR.
They have been conditioned since early childhood one way or the other by parents, siblings, cousins, friends, coaches, teachers, etc. and once they become seniors in high school, they are not subject to being “flipped” by anything that a recruiting staff can do.
It’s too late by then.
Clemson will get their share of the good players from the Palmetto State, but overall, SCAR will probably get more.
But, Clemson will still beat SCAR on the field with an alarming degree of regularity, with great players who came from other places.
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Re: Not sure why so many don’t understand the dynamic involved…
Feb 17, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Dabo has said this specifically about SC kids having a lean that is tough to overcome.
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The level of FB talent in this state has not been
Feb 20, 2023, 10:50 AM
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Good for a while so I’m not sure why people get so worked up. Look at the lineman we signed out of TX and GA and would you honestly take any of these guys in state over them. The level of competition in this state is a joke. Sure there is a guy here or there but it’s typically not at OL - it’s either skill position, DL or kicker….. becoming a regional and then national recruiter has been paramount to our rise
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