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Drain the Swamp.***
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Dec 10, 2024, 3:20 PM
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Tiger Titan [50919]
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Duh. Somebody has to pay for Kamala's campaign debts.***
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Dec 10, 2024, 3:21 PM
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
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Dec 10, 2024, 3:43 PM
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3 tents. That's wild.
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 4:14 PM
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What an insensitive comment.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 4:17 PM
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Not really. I have no idea why they are there and what the story is of that picture. I lived in the mountains of Washington for 6 months outside of a friend's little house in a big tent. You never know what is going on in that pic. Those could even be people working? No telling what the scoop is there and those few people have going on.
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
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Dec 10, 2024, 4:33 PM
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I lived in a tent in Washington. Wow! Was it because a storm destroyed countless homes and property, killed scores of people some of which will never be found, obliterated entire towns? You don’t know what’s going on there? You can not be serious.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 4:35 PM
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Once again, you have absolutely no idea what is going on with those 3 tents in that photo. That's the point. You can't be serious to think you actually know what is going on with these particular people.
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 4:38 PM
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Yeah I’m sure it’s just a family camping outing. Looks like lots of fun.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 4:42 PM
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It could be people working on the clean up. It could just be how they live. You have no idea what the story is with the people living in those 3 tents. None at all.
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 4:44 PM
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You should go camp with them. Pick up some s’mores. Bring the horse shoes also.
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Um, he's right
Dec 10, 2024, 8:50 PM
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You don't know what you're looking at. You do know how easy someone could take a pic of anything and make claims, right?
Maybe it's people affected by the tragedy. Maybe it's not. There are ###### people out there who lie sometimes.
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Re: "FEMA is here"
Dec 10, 2024, 5:09 PM
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It’s more than 3 tents.
I now live right outside Johnson City, TN and travel the NC mountains often.
Most aren’t choosing to live that way. They don’t have a home. It’s still pretty bad here.
And FEMA is well behind with temporary housing.
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Straight into Joe Biden's pockets, obviously.
Dec 10, 2024, 4:03 PM
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You don't even need proof of it, all you have to do is say it.
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Maybe Trump will go down there and throw paper towels at them....
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Dec 10, 2024, 4:05 PM
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and talk about how "corrupt" Western NC is...
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Not if they're white.***
Dec 10, 2024, 4:20 PM
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Re: Not if they're white.***
Dec 10, 2024, 4:47 PM
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So you think FEMA has done an good to excellent with this relief effort?
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Re: Not if they're white.***
Dec 10, 2024, 6:53 PM
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You're basing that conclusion on my post?
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Valley Protector [1417]
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Re: Not if they're white.***
Dec 10, 2024, 8:06 PM
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You're basing that conclusion on my post?
Have not heard any criticism from you of FEMA.
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Re: Not if they're white.***
Dec 10, 2024, 10:55 PM
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So?
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Orange Phenom [14325]
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This should not be a team right or left issue but instead a bi-partisan outrage
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Dec 10, 2024, 4:22 PM
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as to why our bloated, over-paid bureaucracy can't perform the very functions to which they have been funded by the tax payers. I imagine these folks living in tents in Western NC are both Democrats and Republicans.
But for some (including some on this board) any criticism of a Federal agency seems to trigger an automatic defense response of an attack on team blue. Can't we all agree that, in this instance, the agencies responsible for helping these WNC folks devastated by Helene are not getting aid to them quick enough and should be publicly called out for such??
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Re: This should not be a team right or left issue but instead a bi-partisan outrage
Dec 10, 2024, 4:26 PM
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We don't even the story of those 3 tents and the people living in them. We don't even know what to be outraged about.
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Good insight.
Dec 10, 2024, 4:29 PM
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Huh?
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Campus Hero [13275]
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Re: Good insight.
Dec 10, 2024, 4:29 PM
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I see. That was for another post.
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I've said this before and now I'll say it again...
Dec 11, 2024, 8:00 AM
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FEMA and the federal government's role is disaster relief is to support the state and local resources and are not intended to be the lead in things like this. If recovery/support isn't where you think it should be, then the criticism ought to at least start at the state and local level. Now...if they're making a case that they aren't getting enough support/resources from the federal level, then maybe move the criticism there...but it shouldn't START at the federal level, IMO.
Further...and I say this with full disclosure that I don't have all the facts or any intimate knowledge of the situation...the level of destruction is on a massive scale and therefore, I can imagine that it's going to take a very long time to build back and certain things are going to take much longer than might seem reasonable to the casual observer (which I am).
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Re: "FEMA is here"
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MAGA just like the libs, always looking for gubmint handouts and bailouts. Sure, let’s get them all a new house to live in, and maybe throw in a car and some groceries. Uncle sugar will take care of everything.
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Do you think
Dec 10, 2024, 4:36 PM
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FEMA should get billions to spend on disasters?
How should it be spent?
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on Ukraine***
Dec 10, 2024, 4:43 PM
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Re: Do you think
Dec 10, 2024, 4:44 PM
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Putting out fires, opening roads, and restoring infrastructure. Not putting immigrants in hotels or delivering singlewides to people who didn’t buy insurance.
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Campus Hero [13336]
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I like that
Dec 10, 2024, 4:58 PM
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Here's what AI says about its mission, budget, and expenditures:
FEMA's Mission:
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) is part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security with a primary mission to support citizens and first responders to ensure that as a nation we work together to build, sustain, and improve our capability to prepare for, protect against, respond to, recover from, and mitigate all hazards. This encompasses natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and floods, as well as human-caused incidents such as terrorism.
FEMA's Budget:
Base Budget: FEMA's annual budget varies, but for FY 2024, it was noted that Congress allocated around $20.261 billion to FEMA's Disaster Relief Fund (DRF). Additionally, there's funding for other programs like grants and training, which was reported at about $3.5 billion for FY 2024.
Supplemental Appropriations: FEMA often receives additional funds through supplemental appropriations, especially after major disasters. For example, in response to disasters since 2017, Congress has provided over $139 billion in supplemental funding, with specific allocations for disaster relief like the $20.5 billion in no-year disaster appropriations for the Disaster Relief Fund and Small Business Administration Disaster Loans account.
What FEMA Spends Money On:
Disaster Response and Recovery: The bulk of FEMA's spending is on direct disaster response and recovery activities. This includes:
Emergency Response: Immediate actions like search and rescue, providing food, water, and shelter, and debris removal.
Long-term Recovery: Funding for rebuilding infrastructure, housing assistance, and support for individuals and communities to recover from disaster impacts.
Preparedness and Mitigation:
Grants for Pre-Disaster Mitigation: Programs like the Pre-Disaster Mitigation (PDM) grant, where in FY 2024, $190.568 million was directed to 110 projects aimed at reducing disaster risk before they happen.
Training and Education: Funding for training state, local, tribal, and territorial emergency management personnel.
Public Assistance: Helping state, local, tribal, and territorial governments repair or replace damaged facilities like roads and schools.
Individual Assistance: Financial help to individuals for temporary housing, home repairs, and other disaster-related needs.
Administrative and Operational Costs: Running FEMA's operations, including staff salaries, technology, and logistical support for deploying resources.
Special Programs:
Shelter and Services Program (SSP): Although not from the DRF, FEMA administers funds for this program to support communities dealing with migrants, funded separately through Customs and Border Protection.
COVID-19 Response: In the fiscal year ending September 2024, FEMA spent an estimated $19.8 billion on various aspects of the COVID-19 response, including vaccine distribution and funeral assistance.
FEMA's spending is highly dependent on the occurrence and severity of disasters, leading to significant fluctuations in its financial activities year by year. The agency is often scrutinized for its spending, especially when disasters overlap or when the disaster relief fund faces potential depletion towards the end of the fiscal year or during intense disaster seasons.
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This is similar to what I have researched through various sources.***
Dec 10, 2024, 5:17 PM
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CU Medallion [20192]
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FEMA managed funds authorized by Congress to Homeland Security
Dec 10, 2024, 5:08 PM
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To assist housing migrants in US cities that experienced a heavy influx of migrants. Again Congress approved the funding.
It’s legit to criticize the heavy influx of migrants _ and even question the Congressional funding. Seems knocking FEMA is misplaced wrath.
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Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
Dec 10, 2024, 5:15 PM
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
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Dec 10, 2024, 5:43 PM
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That’s only Buncombe county, one of the more affluent areas of WNC.
It’s a lot worse west of Asheville.
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
Dec 10, 2024, 5:56 PM
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You keep trying with him. Good luck. My church has done numerous trips to help. The problem is on going. To down play the crisis is insulting.
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
Dec 10, 2024, 6:04 PM
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And I actually live here.
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
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Dec 10, 2024, 6:15 PM
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Well if you actually live there how in the world could you possibly know? That’s what they will ask you. Geez!
It’s pitiful. My nephew was also involved in body recovery with his reserve unit. The stories are horrific. Maybe I get a little sensitive when people down play it because it’s just a really sad situation.
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
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Dec 10, 2024, 6:43 PM
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I actually live about 15 minutes from Unicoi County Hospital that was completely flooded out. I’m sure you remember seeing video of that.
But, I was mainly spared here at the house.
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
Dec 10, 2024, 6:48 PM
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Wow! Glad you were at least mostly spared as you said. Just a sad situation. By the way, I absolutely love East Tennessee!!
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
Dec 10, 2024, 6:44 PM
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I didn’t think you did.
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Re: Dont confuse the uninformed with legitimate information.***
Dec 10, 2024, 6:51 PM
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Tardawg did. Yeah, I figured you were keeping an open mind.
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Re: Don't believe your lying eyes!***
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Dec 11, 2024, 8:32 AM
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We didn't see anything to know what are the facts on the ground. That's the point.
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CU Medallion [20192]
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Tell Mike Johnson and your Congressman to appropriate additional disaster relief
Dec 10, 2024, 4:56 PM
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To FEMA and the Small Business Administration disaster loan fund for the current hurricane and wild fire relief efforts in the upcoming continuing budget resolution. At least $50 b is needed based on current estimates for natural disasters that have already impacted the US.
Congress approves budgets for specific disaster relief efforts after base annual budgets are approved for responding agencies. It’s really not that hard a concept to grasp if everything is not viewed through a politicized lens.
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Ive said it before
Dec 10, 2024, 8:32 PM
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FEMA is there to drop aide. Everything else you’re on your own.
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Re: "FEMA is here"
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Dec 10, 2024, 11:02 PM
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Hopefully Trump and Elon will get fema straightened out. FEMA certainly didn’t do much for Helene disaster victims. Another bloated fed agency. Time to cut the excess for sure.
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Tiger Titan [46774]
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Everyone who believed this thread should feel foolish
Dec 11, 2024, 12:06 AM
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Especially Tardawg (get better at this), and I'm afraid Tabby as well, who tried to come in with a rational response but still tried to take shots at people who were questioning this. I'll link the evidence below in a moment.
Let me give a critical thinking lesson. Here are questions you should ask when reading this OP:
1. Who is Matt Van Swol and can I trust what he says?
2. What am I exactly looking at in this photo? How do I know these are displaced residents from the hurricane? What information could I look up to verify the authenticity of this claim before believing it?
3. RPMcMuffin has a history of posting false or misleading OPs. Should I hesitate before believed him here, or should I dig further?
4. Does this picture really tell me a story of how the government is handling the situation? Perhaps even if their efforts are not satisfactory, this photo is possibly meant to just shock and anger me into extreme responses.
This is NOT hard. You should NEVER take any Tweeter's word or pictures at face value truth; you should ALWAYS try to verify before believing it.
Now, here's what I promised. The area you're looking at is in Swannanoa, and Buncombe County Emergency Services representative Ryan Cole said that they're either not primary residences, or they're heated. Tents reported behind local businesses (possibly this shot as it was taken from a local business across the river) were found to be unoccupied:
According to Cole, a few individuals living in lightweight tents prior to Helene denied assistance and chose to remain in their lightweight tents.
Swannanoa - Several tents and temporary tiny homes were observed. Most of the tents were not being used as primary residences. Residents requested three tents with heating sources, which were delivered. Reports of tents behind local businesses turned out to be unoccupied, and most observed tents were not being used as primary residences.
Garren Creek - One individual living in a tent had been offered a camper through a nonprofit organization. Other tents in this area were temporary shelters for those repairing their homes, and alternative arrangements were already secured. All identified tents had their own heating sources.
Fairview - No tents were located during the canvass.
Barnardsville - Some residents in tents were found to have heating sources or were year-round tent dwellers, unrelated to the storm. An individual living out of their car had been doing so before the storm and declined assistance. The Barnardsville Community Center confirmed all residents needing heated tents had already been assisted.
https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2024/12/05/buncombe-helene-recovery-what-to-know-about-number-of-tents/76796640007/
Another:
https://www.themountaineer.com/news/where-are-the-tent-dwellers-flood-victims-living-in-tents-may-be-a-myth/article_53b37096-b195-11ef-a461-737c6b82d512.html
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Re: Everyone who believed this thread should feel foolish
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Dec 11, 2024, 6:28 AM
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I talk to people in the area. My church has made trips to the area. There remains an on going crisis. Period! That’s all I have to say to you.
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I don't doubt you for one second
Dec 11, 2024, 7:44 AM
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THAT is not the point of my post. You were given a picture and blindly believed something someone told you without fact-checking it, and it turned out to not be what was presented to you.
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Re: I don't doubt you for one second
Dec 11, 2024, 7:51 AM
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What I believe and what I know is many are still homeless and miserable in NC. What I also know is that his comment was insensitive to the on going crisis. We can argue all day about what those 3 dadgum tents are for but the fact is he made a flippant comment about a crisis situation. That’s a fact. Respond if you want but I’ve said all I care to say on the subject.
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You've shown more outrage over his comment
Dec 11, 2024, 8:18 AM
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Which wasn't that bad, than you did to NC_Tiger and RLowTD's comments celebrating the destruction.
His comment wasn't even in the same universe as theirs.
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Re: You've shown more outrage over his comment
Dec 11, 2024, 8:53 PM
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I said I was through responding on the subject but I guess I’ll comment again. We bringing those comments up again? I thought we settled that when we talked about it several days ago. I can’t remember what I said but I remember saying I didn’t approve of the comments ( not sure exactly how I said it) and you agreed it was all cool. Right?
Anyway, maybe I’m a little sensitive on the subject of storm victims. I know people there and I know about the misery. Maybe the best thing for me to do is just not get involved in any more discussions on the subject especially when they seem flippant to me.
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I am bringing them back up...
Dec 11, 2024, 8:51 AM
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Because many of you go suspiciously quiet when one of the resident nutjobs like NC or McMuff or Tom spout out something outrageous, yet y'all come rushing to butt tap them on other threads. It's intentional, and it's hackery because y'all think you're on the same team.
For once, just once, I'd like to see the sane people in that corner like you come in and absolutely thrash one of those idiots when they make a stupid comment like the ones NC_Tiger and Danny made about Western NC. Put decency above politics.
Now, circling back to the matter at hand, I understand why you're sensitive about the subject and I'm sorry you've had to experience so much of that firsthand. It's horrific to think fellow Americans are going through this, and yes, I wish our government was doing more. Again, I'm sorry you are having to experience that and that the people you care about are suffering from it. I can see why you would take offense to the "three tents" comment.
Please remember that McMuffin doesn't care about those people. He posts this stuff for cheap political "attaboys" and to take partisan shots. This man doesn't care about anyone but himself, and that's he posts cheap and factually incorrect posts just to score those stupid points. This man has taken great pleasure in other people's misery in the past.
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Re: I am bringing them back up...
Dec 11, 2024, 8:56 AM
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Fair enough. All good on my end.
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That billion to Africa could have helped.***
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Dec 11, 2024, 10:01 AM
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Re: That billion to Africa could have helped.***
Dec 11, 2024, 10:06 AM
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Maybe we are getting something out of the deal with Africa that helps us? Not sure what all of the facts are. Are their natural resources or something strategic about it? I have no idea. Just wondering.
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