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TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 5:39 PM
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Paw Warrior [4793]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 5:45 PM
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Fascinating indeed.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:06 PM
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Top TigerNet [28775]
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Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 5:52 PM
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They expected us to win every game by 3+ TD...
Expect 40+ pts 500+ yards/gm...
This is what I was afraid of when we reached the pinnacle of College Football.. becoming an Elite Program..
Fans started to act entitled (i.e Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame)
As I for me I'm happy and satisfied....
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Tiger Spirit [9660]
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 6:02 PM
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We are spoiled. Spoiled by receivers who battle and win 50/50 balls
a QB who can create a deep threat by delivering the ball to receivers who win physical battles with the 2ndary
an offense that creates explosive plays and is a threat on every play to score
a QB who plays to win and doesn't play to not lose.
Yeah, we're spoiled. Dabo has created an amazing program with phenomenal results, he has raised our expectations. The Tigers have been awesome the last 10 years.
Are we ridiculous - yes - spoiled yes, but spoiled because the Tigers have been amazing.
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Paw Master [17952]
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its not that though
Nov 21, 2022, 6:04 PM
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our starting qb has had only 3 games with 250+ yards passing in his two years as a started..two of those games was in 2020
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 6:07 PM
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WHAT!? You are ok with having a top 8 roster and not having a WR other than a freshman, being middle of the pack in offense IN THE ACC, wasting a room full of elite RBs & not developing the talent we do have!? You are ok with that? If so that makes you one of the very few. On paper we should be blowing every team out by 2tds minimum, especially in the ACC.
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Top TigerNet [28775]
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^^ found one^^^***
Nov 21, 2022, 6:38 PM
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Re: ^^ found one^^^***
Nov 21, 2022, 7:10 PM
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It's fine to be a fan that likes to sit back and enjoy the the games win or lose and not dive into the film, stats, or projections for the future. If you're supporting the Tigers, we're happy to have you on board.
It is also totally fine to be a fan who enjoys delving into the game and analytics and assessing how good the team is and how it can be better.
Both types are in the fan base and can get along.
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Kantor from the top rope!***
Nov 21, 2022, 9:05 PM
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Re: ^^ found one^^^***
Nov 22, 2022, 12:08 AM
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Ryan!!! Long time no talk bro! In case u not sure it’s Morris from our South Forsyth days!
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GSCTiger says “get off my lawn son”***
Nov 21, 2022, 8:12 PM
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Re: GSCcTiger says “get off my lawn son”***
Nov 22, 2022, 12:58 PM
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There's only one C in my username...
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Legend [6967]
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Re: GSCcTiger says “get off my lawn son”***
Nov 22, 2022, 1:33 PM
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sorry...fixed it for you...
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Top 8 roster? We are inexperienced and not too 8 at several positions. Perhaps top eight overall but ranked in the top 8 so it seems we are performing as expected
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 7:41 PM
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Games aren't played on paper. Individual rankings don't matter. By your reasoning Texas A&M should be undefeated and blowing teams out. Wins and class are what matters.
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Tiger Titan [47854]
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The reason they aren’t performing to their talent level is because of poor coaching.
Nov 21, 2022, 11:00 PM
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That’s also why we aren’t performing up to our talent level.
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Game Changer [1830]
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Haha! That’s funny coming from you.
Nov 22, 2022, 12:06 PM
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…. Because that’s exactly how a lot of fans feel about the basketball coaching! ?
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Tiger Titan [47854]
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Jealous of what?!?
Nov 22, 2022, 3:44 PM
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Your post makes no sense.
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Fans aren’t the one who said “Best is the Standard”. They just expect it from the guy who did.***
Nov 21, 2022, 6:13 PM
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Hall of Famer [8347]
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bUt wE'rE nInE and oNe....***
Nov 21, 2022, 7:03 PM
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Freshman [-74]
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We're 10-1, and 8th in the country. For numbskulls like JK to say we're
Nov 22, 2022, 11:37 AM
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underperforming and poorly coached, that's just her jealousy of what a real program looks like.
The bottom line is we're 10-1 and 8th DESPITE the elephant in the room. That, in a nutshell, is excellent coaching.
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Re: Fans aren’t the one who said “Best is the Standard”.
Nov 22, 2022, 2:39 PM
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At least there's a goal other than "Let's try to be better than average, but if we can't do that, let's try to be only somewhat worse than average, I mean, let's not be dead last or anything, but it's fine if we come in 10th or so."
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 8:54 PM
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Dabo said best is the standard. Sorry for expecting that out of our football team.
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Re: Dabo might know that too...........
Nov 21, 2022, 9:38 PM
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Fans acting like they have to not accept anything but the best all the time does NOT help the program at all.
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Re: Dabo might know that too...........
Nov 22, 2022, 8:23 AM
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Fans acting like under performing is okay does NOT help the program at all....
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Tiger Titan [47854]
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You should be happy and enjoy this.
Nov 21, 2022, 10:29 PM
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But don’t say we didn’t warn you if, in a few years, we find ourselves farther away from elite status than we already are now.
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 10:57 PM
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Wrong... The coach is being paid $115 million over the next 10 years. It IS wrong to expect 100% dominance indefinitely, which I believe is what you're alluding at.
It isn't wrong to expect a consistently good/great product at that price over 13 weeks of the regular season. The last two years have provided an above average/good product, with the occasional bad product.
With that said, he isn't producing a product equivalent to his pay. If he could/would be honest about that, then the critics would not be as...critical.
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 21, 2022, 11:25 PM
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What Dabo is being paid, or how much, is largely based upon what his teams have already done. Sure, he is getting a bump for what is expected, but if he were 3 and 10 for the last 10 years, I hardly think we would be talking about his salary.
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 22, 2022, 12:06 AM
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They expected us to win every game by 3+ TD...
Expect 40+ pts 500+ yards/gm...
This is what I was afraid of when we reached the pinnacle of College Football.. becoming an Elite Program..
Fans started to act entitled (i.e Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame)
As I for me I'm happy and satisfied....
Sorry but if you think this team is where it should be then your just dumb sir. This team would get blown out by anyone in the top 6. Long truthful article but not one word about the QB position..hmmm ?
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Re: Fans are spoiled rotten...
Nov 22, 2022, 1:02 PM
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They expected us to win every game by 3+ TD...
Expect 40+ pts 500+ yards/gm...
This is what I was afraid of when we reached the pinnacle of College Football.. becoming an Elite Program..
Fans started to act entitled (i.e Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame)
As I for me I'm happy and satisfied.... Sorry but if you think this team is where it should be then your just dumb sir. This team would get blown out by anyone in the top 6. Long truthful article but not one word about the QB position..hmmm ?
Found another "entitled" fan...
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 5:54 PM
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Waiting for someone to say this is a coot troll post….
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 5:57 PM
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You got that right Coot
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coot***
Nov 21, 2022, 5:55 PM
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Sorry man, realism not allowed here.
Nov 21, 2022, 6:00 PM
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Take your valid observations elsewhere.
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Freshman [-84]
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Re: Sorry man, realism not allowed here.
Nov 21, 2022, 6:58 PM
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He is paid 10 million a year. We have an offense that 200 k could buy
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:03 PM
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Must have written this article before Putnam was named lineman of the week??
The offensive performance Saturday was fine. Aside from the lull in production in the 3rd quarter when the game was solidly under control, it was a good game. Play calling and execution in the first half was the best this year or last.
Yes, some fans are spoiled.
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Paw Warrior [5086]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:07 PM
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And some fans are cool with mediocrity. I’m not and never will be. “Best is the Standard “
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:29 PM
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Lol! I'm old enough to remember when winning was THE metric fans cared about. All this other stuff didn't matter as much before social media, 24/7 ESPN talking heads and fan boy/girl boards. The Tigers are 10-1, playing for a conference championship next week, can beat our in-state rival for 8 in a row, won 40 straight home games, and have an outside chance at the CFP. I'm happy as ####. Just win, baby and go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:34 PM
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Great post. Needed to be said and more importantly needs to be listened to by people who can and will
address these issues. They will be addressed or fall to the next level which is the making excuses level. I have seen that scenario many times in business, sports, in life.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Failure to utilize the transfer portal will be our eventual undoing. I don’t like the rule at all, but it’s the rule. It’s college football’s free agency, to not use it would be like an NFL team not using the free agency rule. Swinney is a standup guy with principals and ideals and it’s going to be hard for him to assimilate. He has an affinity to promoting from within because he was given that opportunity. But, everybody is not a Dabo Swinney.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:40 PM
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Hmmm...2017 Kelly Bryant at QB 2020-21 DJ
Uiagalelei at QB. Does anyone actually think Artavis Scott gets close to 900 yards with DJ at QB? Or Deon Cain gets 700? There is valid criticism in the poor handling of QB recruiting over the last 4 years or so, 3 scholarship QBs brought in over 4 years while others transferred out, but that is 90 percent of the problem. The offensive line last year and this year is no different than the last 7. DJ can't read zone defenses and deliver the ball in tight windows or consistently throw guys open. There are better wr on the team now than Deshaun's first year. He or Trevor would kill it with this year's squad. We missed on DJ, it happens. The difference is most programs will move on for the betterment of the team. Oklahoma's offense was stale last year with Rattler at QB so Lincoln Riley benched him for Caleb Williams and kept moving forward. Was Riley's scheme the problem? Clearly not.
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If you want a true winners attitude then you are never
Nov 21, 2022, 6:45 PM
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satisfied and realize that there is always room for improvement!! That’s how you keep winning at the highest level, period!! There is room for significant improvement, especially on offense with this team & I know Dabo knows that, of all people! You’re constantly building, adapting, improving, taking 2 steps back and then trying to get 3 steps forward…it never ends and D1 coaches are paid huge bucks to do this EVERY YEAR! If you don’t like that and are simply “satisfied” then NEVER get in the profession of D1 coaching!! After all, these are 18-22 year old kids…they have tremendous upside and ability to improve every dang year & that is to be expected, not hoped for!! Clemson can be sooooo much better than where they currently are on Offense but they have to execute a pristine scheme that I know exists….in this profession, you DO NOT play afraid and you REALLY NEVER SETTLE FOR underperformance…you must diagnose the problem, put together a rock solid plan for improvement and then EXECUTE the plan!! If you can’t do that as a coach or a player then get out of the dang way and let the guy behind you (who is more hungry than you) carry the load! This is Big Boy football…never “settle” or be “satisfied”…the minute you do is when you begin to get passed by!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:50 PM
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i got about halfway through that bullsh!t and quit reading.
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It is a little advanced for you
Nov 21, 2022, 11:14 PM
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Probably a good choice
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 6:58 PM
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Keep writing dumb articles and I'll keep reading some of it until I give up on the nonsensical yammering. SMH on the click bait. You can do better and be better.
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Orange Phenom [14106]
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Nothing wrong with this article at all
Nov 21, 2022, 11:16 PM
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People on this board attacking anyone that points out potential flaws in the football program are worse than anything written here.
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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Re: Nothing wrong with this article at all
Nov 22, 2022, 8:55 AM
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Agreed....
For those that enjoy the game regardless of the outcome of the games, rankings, etc. that come on here and say go Tigers I strongly appreciate and (honestly) envy...
But to those that come to these boards and call Clemson alumni coots, down vote or criticize anything that is constructive criticism or simply expressing a concern, or come on and say that T-netters are not coaches and should keep their mouths shut....
And for those that blast others for saying that they are in the coaches corners, support the QB decisions, or call those people coots...
(a) need to respect the other side of the table
(b) should resist the urge to click on the comments at all if you can't
(c) need to find a way to peacefully get along...
(d) must stop the childish name calling...
These boards have become nasty. They draw you in with articles intended to cause division and we as a fan base divide... we don't disappoint. Much like the idiots that run (all of) our government no one tries to find middle ground or have a simple honest discussion about the achievements or short comings of our favorite team without tearing each other down.
This article was about it being okay to disagree, but here we go again... smh
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With the recruiting and talent we have, there is zero reason
Nov 21, 2022, 7:01 PM
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to not be beating teams by at least 2 TDs in the ACC and having a top 10 offense and top 5 defense.
It seems like Dabo and company are squandering the talent and opportunity by being reticent to change and/or innovate.
The only explanation is coaching. The Clemson coaches either recruited the wrong talent, didn’t develop the talent they recruited, didn’t coach up the players/game plan properly for each game or don’t have a good offensive or defensive scheme like the other playoff contenders do.
But alas, I’m sure the sunshine pumpers will vehemently disagree with me. And that is ok. However it doesn’t make this observation less correct.
Either way, I’m pleased with where we are given the struggles. I will always want us back at the 2015-2019 level of play though. I’m never gonna apologize for or be ashamed to be THAT fan because BEST IS THE STANDARD by God!
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Re: With the recruiting and talent we have, there is zero reason
Nov 21, 2022, 7:03 PM
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Man tell us about Kirby Smart and Saban. Those guys don't beat every team they are more talented than by two tds either and they are far superior to Clemson in talent. They must really suck
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Re: With the recruiting and talent we have, there is zero reason
Nov 21, 2022, 7:08 PM
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the morons on this site know no bounds
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The irony of your statement is, undoubtedly lost on you.***
Nov 21, 2022, 7:12 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right***
Nov 21, 2022, 7:12 PM
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Offensive Star [327]
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I agree with your assessments of our angst, and
Nov 21, 2022, 7:12 PM
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I would also add one more to your list:
- Failure to develop our elite (or at least above average) offensive line recruits into line-of-scrimmage-dominating, NFL-caliber players.
That has been glaringly obvious to anyone watching our program throughout Dabo’s tenure.
And FWIW, IMO, the fact that a true freshman is our best wide receiver this year either shows that we have either missed on a LOT of WR recruits, or have failed to adequately develop the talent we recruited. I certainly hope Antonio Williams doesn’t have a sophomore slump. We are supposed to be WRU! The standard of “best” has clearly fallen off the past couple years at that position. I don’t know if it’s a result of Dabo’s in-breeding promotional philosophy, or poor coaching, or poor scheme, or drop-off in recruiting, or lackadaisical/entitled receivers, or bad QB play, or (most likely) a combination of a number of these factors; but Dabo’s track record shows that he will turn it around. I still firmly believe in him! He sure has spoiled us the past 14+ years, and I couldn’t be more proud to be an alumnus of this great university! I still believe the future is bright, especially with Cade K coming up; he seems like the real deal and I think he will restore some much-needed respect to our WR room in the years to come! Go Tigers!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 7:16 PM
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makes no sense written by a kid who knows nothing, robin alley
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 7:38 PM
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Sig Ep Rob?
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 7:25 PM
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I’d rather say we believed Dabo when we were told, “Best is the Standard.” Instead we get explanations about why things didn’t work on offense.
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Game Changer [1830]
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Best is the standard means…
Nov 22, 2022, 12:56 PM
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Best preparation
Best work ethic
Best attitude
Best execution
Best teamwork
… it doesn’t mean always perfect.
Go Tigers!!
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Game Changer [2087]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 7:30 PM
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If we’d just stop turning it over, all of these “stats” largely correct themselves. That said, there is still room for improvement.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Those fretting fans and author are the minority and unappreciative. Why put this trash on Tigernet?
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 8:17 PM
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We were at the Miami game and almost 1/3 the fans left at halftime. Why is that? Bored with play calls that resembles high school ball, probably so. Anyone watching tape can pretty much call what play is next. Am I glad we are 10 and 1, yes but we have issues that can only be fixed with some major changes imho. Dabo has made those changes before, not sure why he has waited so late to do what needs to be done. Cade is the qb and to prove it give each guy 2 quarters with the starters, let Cade have 3&4. We all know 3rd quarter is a weakness for us. Also, it will be very hard to prepare for Cade since heck we have not given him a chance. If DJ can gain the yards rushing he gets what do you think Cade would get. Those linebackers an db’s will be up playing that and those long passes we never have seen this year will happen. Look at the passes now, most are behind the line and some are even laterals which is crazy. I just hope Cade loves Clemson and stays but who could blame him since he has not been given a chance at all.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 9:08 PM
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They probably left at halftime because the game was decided and it was cold. At least that’s why the couple with 2 small children sitting in front of us left. Was this your first game?
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Game Changer [1862]
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Here's my thing...
Nov 21, 2022, 8:07 PM
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I'm thankful for the record. I don't take it for granted. I grew up through Tommy West, Bowden, Hatfield. I just expect them to play every game like they did for about 3/4ths of the Miami game. If they play like that and lose, that's a lot easier to swallow than playing shaky, making basic fundamental mistakes and eeking out wins over Furman-type teams.
Coaches know better than us, and I try not to question them, but most of us tiger-loving brethren know when our boys are capable of doing so much better.
Play with good fundamentals and get beat by a more talented team? No problem. It happens.
Stare down a receiver for literally 3 seconds, then throw it to the db? Meh.
Future NFL linemen allowing a million rushing yards? Meh.
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CU Medallion [19192]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 8:07 PM
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And they might be wrong.
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Orange Beast [6501]
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The Best is Yet To Come...
Nov 21, 2022, 8:11 PM
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Never lower your expectations!!!
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Orange Beast [6501]
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Always reserve the right to improve!!!!
Nov 21, 2022, 8:13 PM
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Always reserve the right to improve!!!!
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Paw Warrior [4751]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 8:36 PM
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I have said this before, but it bears repeating:
If your team is in the top 25 you should be very happy.
If you team is in the top 10 you should be ecstatic
If you team is in the CFP you should be grateful
There is a difference between expect and demand. And there is a diiference between analyze and criticise. I hope I have been on the right side of those divides throughout the season.
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Legend [6896]
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Why write this article when the last 2 games have been
Nov 21, 2022, 9:23 PM
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the best overall games D and O"?
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 9:53 PM
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I for the most part agree with most of what is said here. I am not too concerned about the transfer portal. I am sure Dabo will use it as needed. My main concern is some of the coaching. Yes the offense is stale. Everybody now knows our scheme and has schemed accordingly. We are winning because we have better athletes, not because we have a better scheme. I'll throw in some bad play calling in here as well. I do not know why we runs plays when we are out numbered. I thought the object was to run plays when the numbers are on your side not the defense. How do expect to have a good result when you have one blocker and three defenders? My single biggest gripe is with the receivers. I don't know if it is coaching our what, but they get no separation. DJ isn't great at going through progressions, so he is holding the ball too long waiting for that separation and getting sacked. It seems like almost every throw is contested. There is virtually no down field threat. As far as blocking, this has been some of the worst blocking I have seen in quite some time. There have been several touchdowns that could have been scored if the receiver did any blocking at all. These are supposed to be talented guys, so for now I am leaning on poor coaching. But it is hard to say from a distance. You don't know if the coaching is good and the players are just underperforming or it is poor coaching causing the underperformance. We don't get to watch the practices.
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I’m shocked that an article like this was written and posted.
Nov 21, 2022, 10:27 PM
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But I’m glad it was. Kudos to TigerNet for covering the program in detail, which isn’t just about praising the successes but also asking the tough questions about ways we are falling short.
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Clemson Sports Icon [55835]
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Re: I’m shocked that an article like this was written and posted.
Nov 22, 2022, 12:03 AM
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Totally agree Judge. I'm proud a non pandering article was published that hopefully will create a constructive conversation and questions in the future.
Now, as to his points. They're legit but Dabo said "ain't no one has their head in the sand ". I believe him. I honestly think he himself is in transition on how best to move forward with Clemson.
He's spoken frequently about nil and the portal. Both, in essence have disrupted his recruiting niche (for lack of a better word) . Here's what I mean. You've heard him say, Clemson is a developmental program. True with coaches and players. He built this on players that he could recruit and develop. Nolan turner is a great example. Dodd, Grady, etc. Kids that would come in and develop. He knew if he could get a few great players to mix in with the others. He could win championships and that's exactly what he did.
Now, today's environment has changed dramatically. There's only so many (just like basketball one and done) recruit available that are ready to play day 1 both mentally and physically AND be a cultural fit. There's just not enough for Bama, osu, uga, and other scattered blue blood programs that Clemson can get year in and year out. We'll get our share, but most need to be willing to come in and maybe sit and develop for 3 years before starting.
Kj henry is a rare find. He bought in and stayed. So, imo he's at a crossroads much like Saban was. You get your day 1 share, you get your turners, get your Henry's etc but now in the meantime, while they're developing, you need to selectively use the portal to maintain consistency year in and out.
Dabo will figure it out but this covid year and portal, and nil has created utter chaos in Dabo 's model and his recruiting philosophy.
I don't bet, but if I did, I'd bet you'll hear something very similar to this after the season from Dabo.
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Re: I’m shocked that an article like this was written and posted.
Nov 22, 2022, 9:00 AM
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I agree it is very difficult to find players that are willing to work day in and day out to learn and develop. Everyone expects to be the starter day one and now with the portal they jump ship when they are second string.
I’m not a fan on the portal or NIL. But I can see how it works and why Dabo needs to give it another look. All he has to do is look at the FSU roster. They are 8-3 this year from a loosing record last year. The offensive line was horrible last year. This year they know how to play 6 consecutive games with over 200 yards rushing, but three starters are from the portal. Their wide receivers are portal players. That team has become competitive in no time with portal players.
Unfortunately I do believe that Dabo needs to adjust or we will be left behind.
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Paw Warrior [4958]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 10:52 PM
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There are some ungrateful fans and with their expert knowledge received from all kind of stats and #s from “YALKING HEADS.” These same ungrateful fans see half glass empty or see microbes in the other half that is full of drinkable living water!! We have a great program, great coaches and great players. Enjoy what we have as others would love to have what we have. I believe that “the best is yet to come!!” Enough said. Go Tigers!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Mascot [21]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Mascot [21]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Mascot [21]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:22 PM
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This article reminds me of couple of years ago when we had beat Gamecocks by 3 touchdowns and Tigernet wrote a same whining ungrateful fan’s rant about not being happy winning with 3 touch down but rather how we didn’t win it by more points!! Come on guys keep it real… this sounds so ungrateful and just plain downgrading our players, coaches and happy fan base. Sounds like some Gamecock writing this!!
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Orange Blooded [2450]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:37 PM
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Dammmitt man
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Paw Warrior [4777]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 11:04 AM
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Geez man .. ground hog day post, again and again ..
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 21, 2022, 11:38 PM
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Win by more touchdowns so they can leave the stands earlier and earlier? I’m good with a three point victory and full stands actually supporting the team by being present not just saying they do!
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Paw Master [16128]
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We are sooo SPOILED...10-1 and still not happy!
Nov 21, 2022, 11:51 PM
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I remember when I was happy to hit 8-9 wins 10-12 years ago.
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Game Day Hero [4576]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 6:55 AM
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I would change number two from poor development to poor recruitment of WR. I think we put too much stock into the development. Talent is more important. Other than that pretty accurate
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Game Changer [1800]
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Yep... Nuk & Sammy were ready from day-1 freshman years.***
Nov 22, 2022, 2:42 PM
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National Champion [7146]
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I've been to every home DJ has started
Nov 22, 2022, 6:57 AM
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and Cade Klubnik 4th quarter vs Syracuse was better than them all . the stadium was electric. the stadium had hope. I knew the W was going to happen
every game with DJ is uncertainty. Every play feels like a let down
that's just the way it feels
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National Champion [7146]
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Cade doesn't play with WR taller than 5'8"
Nov 22, 2022, 7:02 AM
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he doesn't get to run throwing plays
he doesn't get to showcase his talent
his throw in warmups is better than DJs. Cade throw is tighter , faster , and point down
DJ is wobble , slightly slower , and tilts up
i know this. i watch them from row 4 every game .
i don't understand why they don't play him more. his body language is not that of teammate. he wants in
since LaTech he looks bummed to play but carrie's himself properly
it's personell. it's people not in the right positions at the right time
even defense said we had the LBs in the wrong spot . of course you did . just like every where else
Go DJ . Go Tigers .
our staff has to call it as it is
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National Champion [7146]
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i have typos . sorry . i'm upset
Nov 22, 2022, 7:04 AM
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i like DJ
but Cade needed to play a lot more .
with starters and pass plays
Cade looks to be discourage and wanting more every time he walks on the field (from the locker room)
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Dynasty Maker [3293]
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With Our Record This Year...
Nov 22, 2022, 7:31 AM
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We will be lucky to keep the coaching staff intact. Other less successful programs are envious of our staff.
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Dynasty Maker [3393]
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For WR production analysis
Nov 22, 2022, 8:22 AM
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You really need to take into account the TE production increase this year. Which also opens up the running game... We will likely surpass 2021 receiving yards during the carolina game, and have already surpassed rushing. That's without taking into consideration a bowl game (and an ACC championship game which we didn't have last year).
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All-American [585]
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Re: For WR production analysis
Nov 22, 2022, 8:50 AM
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Tight end production has been really impressive and helped the offense overcame the lack thereof from the wide receivers.
Aside from the fumble last weekend, Davis Allen has been a star. Briningstool is a dangerous receiver. I love seeing them out on the field together occasionally too.
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Legend [6650]
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Absolutely agree. Seeing obvious problems and wanting them fixed
Nov 22, 2022, 8:39 AM
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Does not make you any less of a fan. Just means you care.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Dabo mindset needs to evolve...'family' attitudes in his program will not cut in now or in the future. The game, players, competition have all changed...
Decisive wins, especially in the ACC is hugely important, since we are already perceived as a weaker conference than SEC.
Last week's game, I'm sure Dabo had no intention of calling a time out to set the final TD... He'd be just as satisfied with win, not a decisive one... he has to step up to 2023
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Dabo mindset needs to evolve...'family' attitudes in his program will not cut in now or in the future. The game, players, competition have all changed...
Decisive wins, especially in the ACC is hugely important, since we are already perceived as a weaker conference than SEC.
Last week's game, I'm sure Dabo had no intention of calling a time out to set the final TD... He'd be just as satisfied with win, not a decisive one... he has to step up to 2023
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Ryan, you and the other young, so called, fans that complain about coaches and players every time we have anything other the unrealistic success on each and every play know nothing but winning. The truth that you and every fan must realize is that in our 120 or so years of football, we have have been blessed to win 3 National Championships. Winning a Championship 3 years out of 120, means there have been 117 or so unsuccessful years and I call bs on that. We have great coaches and they do the best they can every day and recruit the best players we can get. Everyone wants to win every game, every match, every tournament, but as you grow to the old age that some of us are, you will see that that no team will ever win every contest, no official will ever make every call, no player will ever make every pitch, every putt or complete every pass.
We will win Saturday if we play well and will win next Saturday if we play well but we will not be perfect. Doing your best is all that any of us can do.
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Athletic Dir [1175]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Well written VB!!
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Two kinds of fans....
Nov 22, 2022, 10:14 AM
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1. The one that wants a win - no matter the metrics of how the game came out, only a "WIN" is needed.
2. The one that sees massive inconsistencies with the coaching, the QB, both lines, the WR's, the secondary, the lack of talent we've been able to accrue with RB's and WR's, the lack of drive or leadership on the field....and a $100 million dollar coach telling the fans that they're crazy for not seeing DJ's "greatness" 2 weeks before benching the same player for sucking.
Both put their hard-earned money into supporting the team. Neither type makes $100-million but overtly sees the faults in the team.
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Paw Warrior [4862]
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Thank you for this article.***
Nov 22, 2022, 10:31 AM
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Paw Master [17658]
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Nice post,
Nov 22, 2022, 10:46 AM
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Coot.
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 11:23 AM
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The truth is that we have good, but not great offensive players, with a few that have potential for greatness. No elite-speed receivers to consistently stretch the field and average, inconsistent QB play from DJ. If we ever play a defense that can pressure DJ consistently, we're in big trouble. He has definitely improved, but even with lots of time (kudos to our pass-pro this year!), he struggles to see the whole field and make good decisions. Our defense could have been better all season, and I would argue that our front 7 was better, deeper, and faster than last year. We just had noticeably more conservative, less aggressive schemes than in years past under Venables... until the last two games when the light finally came on. That's on the DC's learning curve. It's hard to remember a season when we've gotten less production out of better defensive talent. Finally, I believe our excellent W-L record has to be understood in the context of our schedule. We have played zero great overall teams, even if a few had decent offenses. I don't see any elite teams in CFB right now (compared to the last 4-5 seasons), but I think playing a top 3-4 team this year would be a disaster for us. Hope I'm wrong!
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Trainer [40]
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 11:32 AM
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NOTE: You could make the argument that conservative defensive schemes for most of the year was designed to protect a very young and inexperienced secondary, and that their development has allowed for more aggressive, blitz-heavy schemes the last couple of games.
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Game Changer [1800]
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2010 Nuk had only 626 yds b/c Dabo started seniors Ashe &Dye
Nov 22, 2022, 3:13 PM
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From game-1 in 2010 (vs UNT) it was obvious to me that Deandre Hopkins was the best WR on the field and one of the best ever to play at Clemson. But Dabo tended to reward mediocre seniority over superior youth, so Nuk warmed the bench while Dabo started mediocre seniors, Terrance Ashe & Xavier Dye until after the @Auburn overtime loss. We would have probably beaten Auburn, denied them a natty, and Nuk would have likely been a 1000-yard receiver if Dabo had started Nuk from game-1 or game-2.
When Chad Morris came onboard, he didn't favor seniority over talent so he play Sammy Watkins as a freshman.
Dabo has learned since then. But he still favors seniority/loyalty (like Stoudt over DW4 and maybe DJ over Cade).
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 22, 2022, 7:35 PM
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Spoiled, yep! Maybe its being spoiled because I like proving people wrong. I live in the heart of SEC country (Arkansas). Its tough being a Clemson fan here. I have been one since the late 80's when my dad was Navy and I saw Clemson in 88 and 89 in the Citrus Bowl. With that being said, I hear all the time how Clemson plays no one. I hear how the SEC would kill the ACC and how Clemson would be 7-4 in the SEC. I hear how Clemson's glory days are over. I hear how people around here do not like Dabo. I hear how Clemson's QB is horrible and the list goes on. I somehow continue to support my team, whether, its on TV or going to a game. Yes I went to the Sugar Bowl when Clemson was blown out by OSU. Yes I went to the Cotton Bowl when Clemson beat Notre Dame. Yes I went to the ACC Championship when Clemson beat Pitt. Yes I went to Sugar Bowl when Clemson got beat by Alabama. All in the name and love of Clemson. However, am I spoiled "Yes". I want better and expect better, but somehow the offense never seems to progress and every team knows our plays because the OC calls the same ones we did 10 years ago. I even call the plays out on my couch before they even snap the ball. So again spoiled "Yes", loving it "No" but I will continue to support my team that I grew up with and love!!! I will continue to fly my Clemson flag high and Go Tigers...
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Re: TNET: Clemson’s fretting fans amid success might be right
Nov 23, 2022, 11:02 PM
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As I've said before - it is really very simple. Is a "good" team and a "good" year enough? For any of us who have ever played D-1 sports the answer is a solid "NO." You have to continuously try to reach perfection. Are we satisfied when our kid bring home a C-? I hope not! It doesn't mean we don't support our kids or our teams when they bring home that C-, like the Tigers have done this year. It does mean we want more and truly mean "Best is the Standard" as Dabo USED TO SAY on the way up. You can't stay on top if you are satisfied with GOOD!
We have work to do in all those areas you mentioned and I hope we will see it!
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