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Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 11:46 AM
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What these ‘big time’ college coaches see in DJU???
He obviously has limited skills but all these coaches see him as a great qb .
Wonder where he will be next season!
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 11:56 AM
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Spending all his NIL money he duped FSU out of
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Athletic Dir [1117]
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 11:57 AM
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He has a very strong arm. That is all. People get too caught up in the physical traits
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 16, 2024, 12:57 PM
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Historically, 3 assets make a great QB. 1) pocket presence 2) Accuracy 3) High I.Q. DJU has none of these. Every great QB in college or Pro has had these 3 attributes. A strong arm helps , but it doesn't mean much if you can't master those qualities. DJ will more than likely be benched if FSU loses to Cal on Saturday, and it looks like a losing season for Mike Norvell if that happens. I had stated earlier in June-July that these so-called prognosticators who put Florida State on a "Bobby Bowden"-like pedestal might eat their words when the season got underway. FSU lost a lot of players, and the Transfer portal (band-aid) trick does not work this year. Now he's stuck with DJU, who's losing his confidence with every game like he did at Clemson, barely averaging under 20 points per game for 3 years in Tiger Town. Florida State averages 15 ppg. right now on offense. Yes, the Notre Dame game for Clemson was clearly his best game, and it could be true that the Georgia game (10-3) could have taken away his confidence,
but all that aside, he's had 4 years to to get it right, and he hasn't. The proof in the pudding is in the eating, and the evidence is clear with DJU. Florida State needs to focus on winning ONE game and salvaging their season with a winning record. Forget the Playoffs and the ACC title. They're gone. Chances are that they end up 7-5, with a little help from the conference, but I don't see FSU winning all their road ACC games, plus Notre Dame on the road. Maybe benching DJU may give the offense a shot in the arm, and that could happen, but it appears The Seminoles are in dire straits.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 11:59 AM
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I watched his HS film from his last 2 years. He was phenomenal! A true 5-star talent. He had some kinda of change of heart his soph year. Call it a mental break, family distress, whatever it was, it broke him and he has never been the same person. Sad really.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 2:53 PM
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He was a cannon that could launch streaks down the sideline. I changed my thought process when looking at QBs coming out of HS, you need to see them hitting those timing routes(outs,posts, comebacks) and throwing guys to space. All the marveling over the guys with howtizers for arms leads no where more often than not. If all a QB had to do to win was throw streaks and bubble screens then the talent at wr was what was really special.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Georgia broke him.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 8:38 PM
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I feel like the family drama when his Mom & Dad split up wrecked him mentally and emotionally. He seemed to lose his way and his focus wasn't there after that.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 8:57 PM
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I agree. That was a big factor.
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Orange Phenom [14700]
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 9:05 PM
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He looked phenomenal against N.D. He couldn't have looked better. I was thinking we had it made for three more years.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 16, 2024, 9:27 AM
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Hogg,
It is MUCH easier for a physically talented player to dominate at the high school level where many of the other athletes are several levels below you. DJU was a man among boys in high school, but not in college - where his limited abilities to figure out defenses has been much more glaringly obvious.
In a way, CK is dealing with a similar dilemma. In high school he could out scramble and outrun most defensive players - and thus make big plays. At this level, linebackers are all lightning fast and CK is having to figure out how to beat defenses with his mind rather than his feet.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 16, 2024, 11:47 AM
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He throws a beautiful ball and has a strong arm. The problem is he has no idea where it is going.
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I have honestly wondered if the UGA. game in Charlotte was more
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:07 PM
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than he could handle. Seems he never recovered from it.
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Re: I have honestly wondered if the UGA. game in Charlotte was more
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:19 PM
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MyfavOrange® I have thought the same thing since that year
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:26 PM
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They see Tarzan.
My theory is that he played for a big name school in California and they smashed other High Schools because they were way more talented all over the field.
DJ benefited from this and it hid his deficiencies. DJ didn’t need to be special, his 6-4 WR was gonna win every jump ball against his 5-10 opponent.
Also, some Coaches aren’t smart. Surely you had one of those growing up? I know I did.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Well, he led his team from behind against Bryce Young’s team to win the sectional so I think it was more than that since that team was #1 in the country and had pounded them earlier in the season.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:31 PM
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Evidently he was the big fish in a little pond in High School. Things change in Division 1 College Football. Everyone is bigger, everyone is faster and everyone is stronger. Sometimes what is thought to be a great High School player gets exposed at the next level.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:37 PM
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Norvell tried for a few other qbs. Miami outbid him for Ward. DJU was fallback guy.
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Thanks for your replies
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:53 PM
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I watched this kid on tv several times as a high school QB and he wasn’t that impressive to me. Against really good teams he was nothing more than an average QB. I was surprised when Dabo became interested in him!!!
He really was never more than a “good” QB at Clemson with the exception of his first game against Notre Dame. I expect he will be drafted into the NFL but I will be more than surprised if he develops into an NFL star.
All the TV guys rave about him today and I have yet to see it. What have I missed???
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Re: Thanks for your replies
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Sep 16, 2024, 9:31 AM
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It is easier to become enthralled with physical (measureable) skills than with the mental part of the game (much harder to predict) which becomes more and more important as one moves up the competition ladder.
At 6'5" and 240, DJU will definitely end up in the NFL, but he will never be the starter anywhere.
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Re: Thanks for your replies
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Sep 16, 2024, 9:52 AM
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I don't see him ending up in the NFL, not as a QB. He is most definitely not getting drafted. He should have switched to TE, but then again he's pretty slow.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:55 PM
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I expect they will try another QB in the very near future to see if he can change the chemistry of the team.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 9:06 PM
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I think you're probably right.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 12:54 PM
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Maybe they don't have anyone else and are stuck with him.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 1:24 PM
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Maybe they don't have anyone else and are stuck with him.
They are stuck with him, did you see the FSU backups after Travis went down? Norvell can only recruit thru the portal, so he has amassed a group of paid mercenaries that care for the money, not the cause. As long as things go smoothly, they're all in, with adversity they point fingers and fold their respective tents. Norvell will be gone soon, he's a wimp and cannot attract talent without fund$, primary reason Noles want out of the ACC, you need deep pockets to continually steal players from other programs.
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My theory is that DJ has a mental disorder such that...
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Sep 15, 2024, 4:58 PM
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he is great, almost perfect in practice because QBs can't be hit on the practice field. His disorder kicks in during live action. I've accused him, probably unfairly, of protecting himself in lieu of an NFL career.
It's more likely his brain locking down under pressure. It's something I believe most folks have had happen to them when the emotion of high pressure situations overwhelm the thinking process. I believe when the ball is snapped DJ forgets all the receiver routes except for his primary and stares at the primary so he won't forget where they are. He also maintains memory of which side to dump the ball if his primary isn't where DJ thinks he should be or is covered.
I'm not addressing the pressure of being rushed and encircled by the defense. What DJ suffers is exactly the same thing young boys go through in baseball when the ball is hit to them and doubt creeps in to whether or not they can stop the ball. If they do end up with the ball in their gloves they've usually failed to remember what to do with it. That's why the hesitation and looks around occur. When the coach yells out, 'Throw it to second they immediately turn and execute his command.
DJ, being very familiar with his issues, I believe, makes his decisions while his head is on straight and it's always before the snap. At times it works and at other times it doesn't. He is truly a hit or miss type guy so loading the box and late shifts of the defense cause his brain to freeze more quickly.
IDK if counseling with help him but we know that experiences and time spent coaching him is wasted. The only hope for DJ is prayer for it's certain, nothing tried so far is working. He's the same in the last game as he was during his first year as a starter here at Clemson.
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Re: My theory is that DJ has a mental disorder such that...
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Sep 16, 2024, 1:07 PM
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As good an explanation an any. Wish him well.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 5:03 PM
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It’s kind of like that girl who thinks she can “fix” you…
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 5:15 PM
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What these ‘big time’ college coaches see in DJU???
He obviously has limited skills but all these coaches see him as a great qb .
Wonder where he will be next season!
Not sure why you think they believe he is a great QB. Since he started at both transfer destinations, it is clear they were desperate with few options within their budget.
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POT and TENT, as in POTENTIAL. He is capable of making every throw that pro
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Sep 15, 2024, 7:38 PM
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QBs need to make. He is also capable of making throws so bad you won't even see them in Wee Ball. I guess every coach thinks they are going to be the one to finally "fix" him.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 15, 2024, 9:02 PM
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Qb school? 😁
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playing baseball, QB is not his strong suit anymore
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Sep 16, 2024, 9:58 AM
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I have heard he was selected in the MLB draft, or did somebody make that up ??
Either way, I have no idea what FSU/Norvell saw that could have made them excited about his trajectory upward. He has been in freefall ever since that huge game against ND in 2020, which Clemson managed to lose due to terrible penalties on the secondary late in the game.
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Re: playing baseball, QB is not his strong suit anymore
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Sep 16, 2024, 10:03 AM
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Yes, he was a 20th-round pick by the Dodgers last year. Maybe he should have stuck with baseball, although I'm not sure he has the mentality to be a pitcher at that level.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 16, 2024, 12:15 PM
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If he had Keon Coleman, Johnny Wilson, and Jaheim Bell still on the team, he would be 3-0 and probably the top quarterback in the conference. His skill set is dependent on surrounding talent.
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Re: Explain to me
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Sep 16, 2024, 12:16 PM
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Football scouts are like teenage girls. They fall for tall, dark, and handsome QBs with broad shoulders every time. If DJU could sing and play guitar they would elect him president.
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