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TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 18, 2023, 10:26 AM
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:37 AM
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I like Pate, but I hope he is wrong about this.
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Maybe both are true?
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Oct 18, 2023, 1:38 PM
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I like Pate, albeit I don't listen much. Like Dabo, he kinda built himself a brand out of nothing & I definitely respect that.
I hope he's wrong about Clemson losing at Miami (& I disagree Clemson will lose), but I also believe Coach Swinney doesn't want to be forced to use the transfer portal... but will be forced to anyway, & in this upcoming offseason.
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Re: Maybe both are true?
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Oct 18, 2023, 2:22 PM
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I tend to agree with you that both can be right. I hope if we don't get a full class of players that can play first year starter he does need to use the portal for DE and possibly an experienced LB. I also tend to disagree that our WR'S are the problem. We did start to change our philosophy on having all 6.5 lanky outside receivers. He does need to part ways with Austin. He's been here long enough to develop guys. No way we missed on that many OL to the point we're having to play true freshman. But that's another topic. We'll see if Dabo adapts this off season.
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Re: Maybe both are true?
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Oct 18, 2023, 5:07 PM
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I think there is truth in most of what's being said about the portal but, we can't take our thoughts away from the coaching staff, we got pounded by Duke, and Wake played us to wire, and we out talent both those teams, and their coaching staff took mostly 2 and 3 star players and beat us, and the other stifled us the entire game, and that screams that their coaching staff did a better job scheming and out playing us with 2 and 3 star players, and there is something wrong with that picture when we out talent them in about every single position across the board....
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Re: Maybe both are true?
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:28 PM
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Re: Maybe both are true?
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:33 PM
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AO52, you're right. There's been much debate over this and that but Duke and Wake both defended the deep ball well with their scheme. Coach Riley actually called the right plays 98.4% of the time. We didn't execute.
We couldn't run the ball. Yeah the popular T-Net clique with 100k likes run out stats. Stats can be a great tool. But one must dig into those stats.
As you said, no way a Duke or Wake should compete with us where football is won or lost in the trenches. Neither team had to stack the box to stop the run. It's not like we're playing freshman across the board...but we're forced too. Our 3rd and 4th year star power hasn't progressed. That's all coaching. Either they're not being developed or the initial eval is way off. Most posters on here won't say what they really think because they want to be popular I guess.
But we have adapted in our wr recruiting. True, we have a couple that haven't produced as promised but the biggest problem is the QB's we've had tried to wait on the wr to be wide open instead of like Trevor or dw4 who anticipated them coming open.
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OK, Clemgal, we've agreed a bunch in the past, but I think as the season
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Oct 21, 2023, 6:43 AM
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has gone on, the plot has been lost to some degree here.
Against Duke:
Clemson had 213 yards Rushing on 40 carries. That's 5.3 per carry. But hidden in that is the RB performance. Our QB had 12 carries for a 2.3 per average.
But our RB's had 28 carries between them, and 179 yards total. That's 6.4 per carry. It's true. that most of Mafah's came on one play - 49 of 65 yards. But that's like saying that most of Riley Leonard's yards (44 of 98) came on one play as well. Even without Mafah's big carry, the RB's averaged 4.8 per carry. There's literally nothing wrong here. Through Duke's 6 games so far this season, they're giving up only 134 per game and at 4.0 per clip. Our success actually skews those stats high for them, as without us they're down around 120 yards per game. Against Notre Dame, Duke only gave up 159 yards, but on just 32 carries - 5.0 per. We blew that away.
So what's the beef here?
If anything we may have run the ball too little, having a total of 40 carries against 43 passes. But with Yards per Play at 5.3 per Rush and only 4.9 per Pass, we were slightly more successful when we ran the ball - on average. And again, if you throw out Mafah's big run, we were actually more successful per pass than per run. So a really good balance between the two seems to have been achieved.
But who's arguing the fact that we had over 200 yards rushing and passing, and that this is the ONLY game that Dabo Swinney has EVER lost where we did that? Ever.
You need to stop hanging around 52. He is a sour soul with a hard-on for Coaching scalps, and with nothing but arrogance to back it up. It's ridiculous what he thinks are problems here, and his 1.5% take is continually swerving into the ditch.
Against Duke we had 2 FG's blocked, one a 23-yarder and the other a very makable 41-yarder. Our first two fumbles came at the Duke 10 and then their 1 yard line. That's a legitimate 13 to 20 points given up (depending on success rates). So instead of being behind 13-7 at the start of the 4th quarter, we're up at least 20-13, if not better. Plus we don't then give them the 33-yard short field for a TD after Mafah's fumble. This, like FSU, was a game that was won. We found a way to lose it though through failure of execution, primarily at the QB position.
The beattching about Duke needs to stop here. These outlandish takes that make people feel good about their emotions need to stop. I don't mind people being wrong or inconsistent with facts, but this has gone on now for 6 weeks. There are other things that can be complained about, and other more positive things that can be discussed. This needs to stop - so I'm asking...
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:37 AM
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Also seen a story reporting Dabo woo-hoo’s when blistering down the hill. This whole thing is falling apart before our eyes
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I've eaten eggplant that told better jokes.***
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:58 PM
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Re: I've eaten eggplant that told better jokes.***
Oct 18, 2023, 5:16 PM
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A joke-telling eggplant? Does it tickle when you swallow?
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 10:59 AM
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So Pate is the grand expert with all the answers…? If he was that football savvy, he’d be on some sideline making the millions. But he’s not. He’s one man with an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. We are fine, and the program is solid.
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So We are fine is the new montra?
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Oct 18, 2023, 7:22 PM
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Seems to make sense.
Blown out by Tennessee….we are fine.
Lose by 21 to frickin Duke….we are fine.
Can’t field an offense ranked higher than #25 for 3 years or make FGs….We are fine.
Maybe the new slogan should be. “ Best isn’t standard anymore but “we are fine” paying 11 million a year for it anyway.
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Dabo will use the portal ASAP (whether he wants to or not)
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:05 AM
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Nobody was calling for a portal kicker in May (& nobody seemingly knows Clemson has the #1 PK in the nation committed for next year) but it doesn't matter anymore.
Coach Swinney will use the portal ASAP whether he wants/needs to or not.
Like the Coach Riley hire, it's simply not up to Coach Swinney anymore for better or worse; Clemson nation largely no longer trusts Coach Swinney, & en masse.
I miss when it did back in 2014 before finding unprecedented success is all, & it sounds like Coach Swinney does, too. Can't get 2014 back, but it's fun to remember when we defined the best part of sports fans nationwide.
I am curious who Dabo gets in the portal though. My guess is WR's & QB's first & foremost.
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Re: Dabo will use the portal ASAP (whether he wants to or not)
Oct 18, 2023, 12:56 PM
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Who R U?
.no one at Clemson wants to return to 2014. That was before our Nattys
Get a pulse m, Dude. Dabo is the man and the real deal. He's forgotten more football than you'll ever know. Go away. 1 5% . You are not All In.
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That's not what I said to be fair
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Oct 18, 2023, 1:36 PM
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I didn't say return to 2014.
I said Clemson nation was nearly the opposite of who we are now from 2014 when WE were the ones sticking up for Clemson & its players & coaches but in 2023 we're the first to bury them all regardless of the consequence & en masse with more toxicity than fair criticism.
To say I'm not All In makes me think the original comment was simply misinterpreted is all but I'll keep promoting the team & coaches & doing Clemson murals & more (& to be fair the response also kinda brilliantly illustrates my point about how Clemson nation has changed so much from what it used to be defined by).
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The portal isn't a simple as just being willing to. NIL
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:09 AM
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has changed the nature of the portal. It's less restricted than the NFL. Guys are getting paid to transfer. Maybe transfers are looking for NIL situations that we don't have or condone.
I think much of what he says about Dabo is fair, but the NIL situation won't always be this wild west. It's going to become more like the NFL. And the transfer portal won't be as chaotically capitalist.
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Re: The portal isn't a simple as just being willing to. NIL
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:12 AM
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Dabo said that we are better suited for NIL than most programs.
Do you think Dabo is wrong about NIL? Or do you think he doesn't pursue portal players enough?
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I think that was a PR cope. I think we are (rightfully) not
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:17 AM
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as willing as other programs to turn college football into such a conspicuous cash grab. Clemson is not able to give offensive linemen trucks... or provide all signees with other such (grotesque imo) perks.
Dabo knows we are not going to be like UGA with the NIL. He knows we are not going to be like USC or Texas. He knows we won't behave like Tennessee or Colorado. To fully use the benefits of the NIL you would have to have different values than Dabo. I think he knows that.... but he can't say it for obvious reasons.
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Re: I think that was a PR cope. I think we are (rightfully) not
Oct 18, 2023, 11:25 AM
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So Dabo was lying about Clemson's NIL capabilities?
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Not lying about NIL
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:57 AM
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Clemson built the first-of-its-kind NIL & Branding Institute.
Clemson had the first nationwide commercial campaign in NIL outright.
I think many people in Clemson nation simply want Clemson to buy players like Tennessee giving $8m to a guy for two years sight unseen even if that's counter-intuitive to what used to make Clemson uniquely special in college sports.
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Re: Not lying about NIL
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Oct 18, 2023, 1:51 PM
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The real world application of NIL is private booster/collective $ buying players under the guise of buying their NIL rights. They really don’t care about using those rights to sell a product or service, only to insure the player plays football at their university. We have traditional NIL support in-house, but is a far cry from how the mousetrap actually works. I understand Coach has a more restrained or ethical approach to the situation, but he will be like a one legged man at an a$$kicking contest especially when judged against top 10 programs. It’s like the world transitioning to cars and he still makes the best carriage and buggy whip.
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Kinda?
Oct 18, 2023, 2:00 PM
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I hear you, & I definitely understand why so many people think pay-for-play NIL is prevalent.
I think what's crucial to recognize here is first that Clemson isn't the only place not using pay-for-play & it's not even close regardless of the implicit dangers & current benefits. Many of the biggest programs in the sport are explicitly not using pay-for-play, for example, rather than it defining how most programs are having success this year.
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Exactly, we don't need to abandon our core values over a
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Oct 19, 2023, 10:07 AM
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2-3 year trend. Stick to your core philosophy and wait for the storm to clear. There's no guarantee that the transfer portal NIL situation will be this way forever. Once it gets reigned in, then WE may be at the advantage for sticking to our guns.
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That seems like a childish question.
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Oct 18, 2023, 12:08 PM
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I'm sure you are already familiar about coachspeak. The man can't say pure honesty all the time about everything. He's responsible for a major program. How could it possibly help us if he said "due to the values of our program we are likely at a disadvantage with most transfers because of the NIL?" You expect anyone to do something that stupid?
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Re: I think that was a PR cope. I think we are (rightfully) not
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as willing as other programs to turn college football into such a conspicuous cash grab. Clemson is not able to give offensive linemen trucks... or provide all signees with other such (grotesque imo) perks.
Dabo knows we are not going to be like UGA with the NIL. He knows we are not going to be like USC or Texas. He knows we won't behave like Tennessee or Colorado. To fully use the benefits of the NIL you would have to have different values than Dabo. I think he knows that.... but he can't say it for obvious reasons.
💯 % correct!
Dabo is too invested in loyalty and what these men do for the next 40 years, plus the promises he makes to their parents. He is as morally grounded as anyone and won’t cheat a kid just to win some games.
Having said that, when kids commit here and then 1-2 years later transfer, leaving certain positions depleted, using the portal to fill those spots is legit. He knows that and I believe will come around.
I, for one, don’t want to be FSU: 17 starters from the portal! No loyalty on either side. Just using each other for self-interest.
I call it “legal cheating”.
Have fun with that FSU, USC, etc…
Your lasting culture won’t be….
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I think he was referring to the NIL as it supposed to be
Oct 18, 2023, 12:15 PM
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used. By the stated rules I mean. NIL is not supposed to be used as Pay-To-Play. A lot of more sought after portal players are being paid to come play at such and such program when in fact that's not a permissible use of NIL.
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Re: The portal isn't a simple as just being willing to. NIL
Oct 18, 2023, 4:46 PM
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It's going to basically be impossible for the NCAA to do any kind of regulation on NIL after Kavanaugh's opinion. They're not going to do a thing. This is college football now.
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The institutions themselves will reign it in. Someone will.
Oct 19, 2023, 10:10 AM
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It's unsustainable. It's too chaotic. No telling how long it will take but sports always eventually sort out obvious problems. Almost everyone agrees it's too crazy right now. We are just in the wake of a major change.
The fact that the NFL is less chaotic tells me all I need to know. Things will settle. (Not return to how they were)
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:11 AM
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I think we beat Miami.
But I also don't think we can win another national title without being serious about the portal.
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the only way to be successful at getting the elite portal
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:12 AM
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players is to reach out early and more than likely promise NIL deals early (usually when said player is on another team, i.e. Billy Amick to Tennessee) ITs done by 3rd party consultants to avoid meddling tags.
Dabo's integrity won't allow him to go to those levels and hire a consultant to meddle with guys on other teams b/c he's always said he will do it "the right" way while he's here. He knows that's how it works to be successful and get elite talent. I'm sure he'll inquire about the elite player while their in the portal but by that time its just formality that they're in the portal b/c they've already been groomed, bought and paid for. At least the elite guys.
Technically there are plenty of players on the list today and maybe have been for a while but they're still on the list for a reason. And simply adding transfers that won't help is a waste of time dont'you think.
Another coach might dabble in dominating the transfers but Dabo just isn't going to bend rules and sell out. Thats not an endorsement or a gripe, just a fact.
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Re: the only way to be successful at getting the elite portal
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I would definitely rather be a good team that does stuff the right way than be a great team that doesn’t. Hopefully they don’t have to be as mutually exclusive as people make it out to be.
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Re: the only way to be successful at getting the elite portal
Oct 18, 2023, 4:47 PM
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It's cute you think we didn't pay any players before NIL. Adorable.
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do you seriously think Dabo directed payments to players?
Oct 19, 2023, 11:21 AM
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I don't. Maybe somebody did at some point but I can't see Dabo being okay with that. With NIL he would have to be directly involved in meddling and okaying feeler messages to these guys. B/c he's not going to add anyone that he doesn't want or need.
Now Ford years.. whole different ball game. And if it happened during the West or Bowden years then they were really bad at it.
But now we're in a totally different era, where cheating and paying more is legislated. I just think Dabo will never capitulate to gaining an edge the sleazy way. He'll quit if he can't hang with it. I think he's hoping the NCAA or coaches association will figure a way to limit it.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:16 AM
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Hope we beat ‘em but not sure Miami winning is an upset. Two unranked teams with a 2-3 point spread at their home place.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 18, 2023, 11:28 AM
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He’s probably right about the thin skinned comment, but he’s dead on about the loser of this game being in real trouble.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 19, 2023, 10:09 AM
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I don't think that he considers it an upset. It said that his analytics had it as Miami being favored by 1. What I can't figure out is why part of his reasoning for picking Miami was based on them cleaning up the turnovers. Does that mean that he expects us not to? Ours seem easier to fix to me. Two have been on botched exchanges in the backfield and one on a muffed punt that Brown should have gotten away from with the sun in his eyes.
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Who the he!! is Josh Pate...
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:21 AM
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and why would ANYONE even remotely care what he says or thinks?
He's certainly entitled to his opinion, but that and a $1.00 would get you a cheap cup of coffee at QT.
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Don't be ignorant
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He's well-respected and his predictions have been spot on for several years now. No one is saying he's 100% correct. But instead of bashing a guy you admittedly don't know, can you tell us what part of his comments you disagree with? And more importantly, who are you? No one knows you, yet you post as if we should listen to you. Just sayin'... kettle, meet pot.
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Re: Don't be ignorant
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When people can't argue rationally, they attack the messanger.
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I didn't say he was wrong...
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I said why should anyone care what he says or thinks.
As for me...well...I'm just an average Clemson alum and former student-athlete, but I would be willing to bet you or Josh Pate any amount you're willing to lose that I know more about Clemson athletics than Josh Pate.
Miami's last home win against Clemson was in 1956. I like our chances.
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Re: I didn't say he was wrong...
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Honestly, based on your other posts, I'm not as convinced. But one thing I do think is safe to say, he does know more about Miami than you do. Pate's actually been one of our staunchest defenders over the downfall. He had a lot of faith in Dabo. I think he's seen now that it was misplaced.
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LOL...bless your heart!!!
Oct 18, 2023, 12:43 PM
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Anyone who claim that their faith in Dabo was misplaced needs to take their head out of their a$$.
The man has more than earned some latitude in a number of areas.
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Re: LOL...bless your heart!!!
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4 years of mediocrity and ### kickings at the hands of other teams is that latitude.
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Re: I didn't say he was wrong...
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The 1956 stuff doesn't amount to a lot, since the Tigers have only beaten Miami on their home field three times in a row since then. Nice, but not a huge sample size.
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A nationally syndicated sports writer with a sh it load of fans.
Who tf are you?
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Re: Who the he!! is Josh Pate...
Oct 19, 2023, 12:18 AM
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Someone here cares what pate says,there is 90 replies to this topic
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One man's opinion, but I can't argue with ANYTHING he said
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:21 AM
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But Pride and stubborn are two different things. Pride is the root of most sin. And it rarely ends well. Stubborn means you believe in what you are doing and reluctant to change.
I think Dabo may be stubborn. But praying he allows new thoughts, new ways, new ideas, to drive his decision making going forward. Football is NEVER going back. The portal is the new conduit to success. It has to become an integral part of your roster management plan moving forward, or you won't sniff the CFP again.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:26 AM
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It’s hard to know what to hope for. If Clemson wins most of the remaining games the concrete around Coach will harden further. If Clemson loses he will say 2-3 plays made all the difference in game after game.
The remaining games will either put Coach on very thin ice with an impatient fan base or lower the noise in the off-season. If he loses more than two more he will be in trouble because the temporary slide will begin to look more permanent and recruiting will be impacted adversely.
In extremis it is hard to imagine Swinney ever being fired. He’ll simply retire but we’re a long way from that.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:29 AM
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I believe that an 8-4, or worse, season would almost force Dabo to finally bring in an impactful player from the portal. He doesn't register the program's decline because we have been winning 10+ games and competing for the ACC title every year. If those two things don't happen this year, I believe Dabo will adjust.
TNet is going to go crazy when Dabo finally lands an impactful transfer. It will be fun to read.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 18, 2023, 11:55 AM
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Leon,
I hope you are right, because 8 - 4 is staring us right in the face.
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Pate's usually very spot on, but not here . . .
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He's part right and part wrong. Yes, Dabo is too prideful, but not on the matter Pate's talking about (the portal). The prideful element is in his mindless positivity and hyper-self-defensiveness in his assessments (which is distinct from sober, well-rooted positivity and a can-do attitude). And no, refelexive NEGativity is neither preferable nor the only alternative.
Pate claims Dabo needs to be more thick skinned and listen to criticism less. Then he goes on to say Dabo is being too prideful by not embracing the substance of those criticisms regarding the portal. But he's got too different issues crossed up here. If he thinks Dabo's portal philosophy is wrong, then it follows that Dabo needs to listen to the critics MORE, not less. The issue here with Dabo's posture towards critics isn't about the portal, it's about other stuff.
Furthermore, FSU didn't come in to Clemson and out-portal/out-talent Clemson in Death Valley . . . Clemson threw that game away plain and simple. It was unforced errors, undisciplined play, and game-management decisions that were FUBAR. I'm not even commenting on the portal - I'm somewhat ambivalent/on the fence about the matter . . . but our woes this year plainly are not sitting at the doorstep of less talent. At most, they are a combination of factors that may include the portal. But with more disciplines play and wiser coaching decisions, this team would be 6-0. That does not mean Dabo's portal philosophy is immune from criticism, but it does mean it's not reducible to that.
I'm surprised a guy as smart as Pate can watch Clemson's game and come away with a tunnel-vision on the portal. Do people really think not fumbling is primarily a recruiting issue? You can get some pretty average or bad players in there and coach that out of them.
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correction "two," not "too." ***
Oct 18, 2023, 11:31 AM
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Re: Pate's usually very spot on, but not here . . .
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:43 AM
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I personally think you are confusing faith with pride, Dabo projects with faith what he believes for in his life and then walks into it with the faith that he will be successful at it.
He’s believing and prophesying success with Gods help not being prideful in the fact that he can make it happen.
It’s exactly what he did in our playoff run and National Championships but nobody called him prideful because it was the result everyone agreed with.
Remember his interview after the National championship when he said anyone can win it, you just have to have a belief all things are possible with God.
Pate and many here don’t seem to understand or live this way daily.
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Re: Pate's usually very spot on, but not here . . .
Oct 18, 2023, 11:54 AM
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As Pate points out, it is not 2015 anymore. The nature of talent acquisition has changed - and Dabo seems slow to respond to that change.
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Hmmm . . . no I can't agree with that -
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Oct 18, 2023, 1:31 PM
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No, I can't say I agree with that. Biblical faith isn't projecting success with God's help - that's presumption. Biblical/Gospel faith is obediently submitting to God's overarching will in the midst of all sorts of outcomes, good and bad, desirable or not. Projecting positive outcomes and understanding God to be the catalyst that helps get it done is part of the "prosperity gospel" movement and isn't biblical. I'm not necessarily accusing Dabo of doing that, but he is/were, that's what it would be, unbiblical presumption.
I do think Dabo generally has an incredibly laudible and healthy inclination to have a positive outlook, combined with confidence in his abilities and vision, and to make success his default expectation, but then take adversity in stride and roll with it if his expectations don't come to fruition. Not only that, but I admire that. So I do make a distinction between healthy confidence and optimism, on the one hand, and pride and presumption on the other.
All that said, there is a possibility that all of us can lean so hard into one direction that we start to veer into the corresponding vice. Realistic and sober minds can become reflexively pessimistic and dour, lacking confidence and fall into self-pity. On the other hand, those w/ optimistic and bright dispositions can veer into polly-annish, rose-colored glasses outlooks and become blind to the sober reality of things. Healthy, sober reflection can become unwarranted pessimism, and healthy confidence can become over-confidence. I'm simply saying I think Dabo has done the later . . . not that all his confidence and faith in his abilities generally are bad and prideful, but that he's veered into a an undue in at this particular juncture . . . at least in his public articulation of thsese matters.
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Not a statement about Dabos beliefs but repeating his words
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Oct 18, 2023, 5:11 PM
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Faith is what the gospel hinges on completely, this post had nothing to do with God wanting His children to prosper or not, but that Dabo strives daily to make the best his standard trusting God to assist moment to moment and to help him achieve his dreams of being a head coach, of his players being their best(striving) daily as a standard and setting goals for the week, month, year, 5 years and 10 years to strive for in their future while trusting, having faith, praying and asking the God of all who cares and wants to meet the desires of your heart.
Dabo was using the gospel period when he said anyone could do it with a belief that lines up with Gods word.
Like in Psalms 1:1-3
1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers,
2 but whose delight is in the law of the LORD, and who meditates on his law day and night.
3 That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers.
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Dynasty Maker [3265]
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But not one bit of that is biblical . . .
Nov 7, 2023, 9:45 AM
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If Dabo is doing that, then that's a major problem. Trusting God to help you meet the desires of your heart in the sense of "dreams"- as in, specific pre-defined desires defined externally from the viewpoint of his revealed will, is anti-biblical. Asking and believing that he might is not a problem, but setting up your own desires and then giving them approbation with the term "faith" is putting the cart before the horse. There's a lot of that these days and while I don't know for sure that's what Dabo does, he gives off whiffs of this kind of prosperity health and wealth stuff.
Walking in holiness is of course, righteouss, but the end game and initial motivation is not to "have God help you accomplish your dreams."
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I really don't see how anyone can argue with this
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Pate pointed to Florida State, which currently sits at No. 4 in the AP Poll.
"I'm absolutely telling you the truth, I'm telling you -- your biggest rival in the ACC right now just put their team together in a manner that could not be done in 2015," said Pate. "And they just came into your house a few weeks ago and beat you. What's your response going to be? Because they're not going to stop. Nor is the rest of the sport. They're not going to stop using the transfer portal. If you're not going to use it, more power to you. You'll still be a solid program. It will take a long time to fully unravel what Clemson's built there. But they're not going to be a championship contender anymore doing it that way.
"I just don't believe that you can voluntarily handcuff one hand behind your back in terms of ignoring a talent acquisition apparatus that is available and watch your opponents use it and still keep up with them. It's unrealistic. It's not going to happen. The Dabo comments don't surprise me because I think he's really dug in on this, and I don't think much is going to change."
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Re: I really don't see how anyone can argue with this
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Oct 18, 2023, 11:56 AM
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Let's see how they do next year. FSU is going to lose basically everyone. Has their recruiting improved enough for them to maintain their current status? If not, they will need to hit homeruns in the portal again.
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Re: I really don't see how anyone can argue with this
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Perhaps you are right - but it seems to me that FSU is working their way up the ladder. Their portals players and the success they bring this year will help with their recruiting - which means that they have to hit fewer homeruns in the portal going forward.
Somewhere there is a balance between good recruiting and shoring up a few weaknesses through the portal. I am not sure exactly where that balance is, but it seems that FSU is working toward it more effectively than Clemson.
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Re: I really don't see how anyone can argue with this
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Oct 18, 2023, 12:29 PM
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I’m glad you brought that up. The portal has ALWAYS been a temporary fix. Bill Snyder of Kansas State would win the Big XII every few years with Junior College players, before the portal was hip like those cool musicians.
I love when people call it arrogance when you try to defend yourself from the envious and maliciously motivated ones. Sports journalism is like a small tank with too many piranhas in it.
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Re: I really don't see how anyone can argue with this
Oct 18, 2023, 1:59 PM
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They will have a transition next yr and will lose a lot of experience. They currently use private $ to obtain both portal players and HS talent. They just came out of nowhere to buy a top national player here in metro Atlanta who most folks thought was UGA bound. They are using all avenues to build sustainability. Time will tell.
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Pate represents that 1.5%
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Of Clemson fans who are CFB fans first, Clemson fans, second.
And he’s not wrong. The “faithful” on this board aren't “Clemson first”, they’re “Clemson-only”…..the old-age-homers, constantly bringing up how long they’ve been fans, as if that holds any water.
My father didn’t attend Clemson….but he put multiple kids through that University with his hard-earned money. To hear the Karen’s and 65-year-old Chad’s attempt to call anyone “bandwagon fans who didn’t attend CU” is a joke, at best. My dad loved Clemson more than the alma-mater that he played football for. Most of the CU grads I know have absolutely ZERO to do with the games or IPTAY….and they/I live in the upstate.
What most of you Dabo-slobbers (and Dabo) can hold is common is that your arrogance is astounding.
Pate recognizes this as well but has to keep it “professional”……watching a coach, who’s had tremendous success, hire a load of feckless former-players, to coach, has already caught up with Clemson. Watching the same coach get out-coached by others who are “hungry” to win, when we CLEARLY are not (pointing at both coaches and players) is on full display as well.
Said it before, saying it again. CDS has about one more season to bury his arrogance and hire a staff that can produce results that equate to the fan expectations and the hundreds of millions they’ve donated to the program.
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Hall of Famer [8244]
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What a butthead
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Oct 18, 2023, 12:22 PM
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They are all so tiresome with portal. FSU barely beat the Tigers and he acts like they stomped us. Duke was the first game of the year with a new OC and 2nd start QB. Give me a break, but hey, these ignoramooses will keep at it until it’s not in fashion to go after Dabo.
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He didn't say FSU "stomped" us but portal-use helped beat us
Oct 18, 2023, 1:52 PM
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It's a simple fact that FSU used a lot of portal talent to beat Clemson.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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We lost to FSU but we lead the whole game and should have put it away in regulation, we have nothing to hang our heads about. This team showed up and played.
Minus a great defensive play for a touchdown we are a top 10 team right now. It’s not like we got our butts kicked in either game we lost especially FSU.
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Game Changer [1794]
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1-2 portal guys for us mighta turned a close loss into a win
Oct 18, 2023, 1:56 PM
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FSU used a LOT of portal players to beat Clemson. We clearly had holes in our roster--especially at WR. In a game where Dabo made the excuse that it was 2-3 plays from a win, maybe a couple of stud-portal guys make the difference of 2-3 plays. FSU's portal guys made lots of those plays.
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Re: 1-2 portal guys for us mighta turned a close loss into a win
Oct 18, 2023, 7:39 PM
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Would like to know the answer to a few questions.
#1) Only 1 team has built their roster on the transfer portal and has won a National Championship, (LSU 2019), What happened to that team since?
#2) Name any team that has had marginal success thru the transfer portal (such as TCU) that has been able to sustain a winning culture for more than 1 season?
#3) Explain with Clemson's scholarship numbers how Dabo was supposed to use the portal entering the 2023 season?
#4) Explain what about Dabo's comments stating that there has been some really good players in the portal that Clemson has recruited only to be told there was no interest in the program?
Clemson, is built to last and has sustainability, 12 years and counting. Until a coach can keep a team at the top of the college football world built on transfer portal players, there should absolutely be no one screaming about Clemson's lack of using it. Bama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, are the so called blue bloods of CFB right now and none of them are built on the transfer portal. FSU has put together so far a magical season from their portal players as did LSU and TCU but other than those 3 individual teams, (who have only 1 National Championship btw) who has had any success building a team thru the portal? Nobody is the answer. Clemson is fine and don't be surprised if they don't end up in a rematch with FSU and shocks the world with another ACC title. This team whether you like it or not was literally 2 plays away from winning both games they lost this year. That is a fact that cannot be denied. Win them 2 and Clemson is #4 right now instead of FSU. Sadly there would be still those b@tching about the transfer portal. Thus team is very talented and has every reason in the world to look at the last half of the season to be their coming out. I for one see 6 wins starting with Miami and I also see come December no team in the country wanting to play the Clemson Tigers! 12-2 and a ton of momentum for '24 is on the table and until I see differently as a true FANATIC I refuse to say differently GO TIGERS!
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Game Changer [1794]
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Disingenous straw-man argument that poses false-choices.
Oct 19, 2023, 8:12 PM
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Would like to know the answer to a few questions.
#1) Only 1 team has built their roster on the transfer portal and has won a National Championship, (LSU 2019), What happened to that team since?
LSU went downhill after 2019, much like Clemson did. But your question is an irrelevant, disingenuous straw-man question. Nobody is saying that Dabo should build the roster on the transfer portal-- only that he should supplement it to fill in holes like Bama, UGA, Duke, and every team (except for Clemson & the 3 service academies) has done. See link below to Athlon article listing the portal acquisitions for each FBS team. Clemson is by far the outlier. By far.
#2) Name any team that has had marginal success thru the transfer portal (such as TCU) that has been able to sustain a winning culture for more than 1 season?
UGA, Bama, tOSU, UM, ND and every team that has sustained a winning culture for more than a season because every team does it, except Clemson (and the service academies). Every team that is ranked above Clemson does it. (Again see Athlon article linked below for proof.)
#3) Explain with Clemson's scholarship numbers how Dabo was supposed to use the portal entering the 2023 season?
It's disingenuous to limit your question to only 2023. The portal didn't begin in 2023 and Dabo got himself into this bind over the last few years by wasting scholarships. But there are several options: (1) Don't waste schollies on (dead-wood) friends' kids, coaches' kids & family members, and then complain that you don't have any schollies left to fill roster holes from the portal. (2) Don't waste a portal schollie on a useless backup like Tyson-- even if his great granddaddy is Bear Bryant-- when you need help at other positions like WR. (3) Pull schollies from select walk-ons whose schollies were are supposed to be 1-year. (4) Encourage dead-wood schollie-holders (especially graduates) to find playing-time elsewhere, and help them do so if they're amenable to it.
#4) Explain what about Dabo's comments stating that there has been some really good players in the portal that Clemson has recruited only to be told there was no interest in the program?
Dabo's comments are disingenuous. It's true that Clemson can't necessarily get EVERY portal play that they pursue. But from all reports, Clemson hasn't earnestly tried. Every other FBS team gets it done, therefore Clemson can get it done also, if they try. (See Athlon article linked below.) There were, for example, portal WRs that could have helped us, but we didn't pursue them and so they went to far-less attractive schools.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-transfer-portal-team-by-team-additions-tracker-2023
I answered your 4 questions. Please one from me...
Why is Clemson such an outlier on portal utilization? It's obviously not because we recruit better than Bama, UGA, tOSU, et al, or that we never have any needs, or that Clemson is so undesirable that nobody would transfer in.
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I am praying for Dabo.
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Oct 18, 2023, 12:28 PM
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It’s not easy being a leader in any endeavor.
Dabo has taken us to a place most of us old timers never thought we’d see again after the 1980s.
He has to adapt. He could be more humble.
As Coach Ford said he learned from Coach Bryant, the best answer is, “We win as a team, I lose as a coach.”
Accept responsibility. Take ownership. Be willing to learn.
Praying for Dabo.
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He is clearly a 1.5%er.
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Oct 18, 2023, 12:34 PM
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And he's right about Dabo being too thin-skinned and prideful.
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Dont even try to yell coot.
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Let me preface this with facts about being born a Tiger. I was born in the shadow of Death Valley in 1971. My father took me to my first game in 1978 as he/I have been season ticket holders since the mid 1970’s. I started my Iptay journey in the late 1980’s. I’ve been a loyal fanatic since my first trip to Death Valley. I bleed orange and purple. I suffered through the lean years and celebrated those lean years almost as much as I have the great years. It’s hard to find someone who loves Clemson any more than me.
I have also called things like they are. I was on the fire Ken Hatfield wagon before most. I was on the fire West, Bowden, and other coaches that couldn’t improve the program.
Dabo Swinney is on pace to become one of the greatest coaches in football history. He has built an impressive program at Clemson. The team I always believed we could be however, they guy is spot on. The game has changed and we’ve refused to change with it. We have missed on some coaches. We have missed terribly on the NIL and transfer portal phenomenon. They are tools being used by almost every school at every level of football. It has put us behind. We no longer have talent head and shoulders above the competition. Dook has better players than we do. FSU has better players. Yea, we out gained them; but, they out executed us. College football is now free agency without salary caps. Alabama has suffered because they don’t embrace the portal as much as other schools either.
Teams are building instant contenders overnight while we stand on Dabo’s principles. Do I like the portal or NIL? HeII no! It has broken amateur football. I ate the fact an elite QB commands up to $5mil a year to transfer to your school. We either use the tools available or suffer the consequences. We are suffering them now.
All that said, I’d rather be a zero win Clemson Tiger than a national champion pulling for ANY other school. Clemson is part of my DNA. I couldn’t change if I wanted to. I feel the same way about the Braves, Lakers, and Atlanta Falcons. I will pull for my teams regardless of outcome. However, I will complain when things are broken. I see issues surrounding defensive coordinator, receivers coach, offensive line coach (for twenty-five plus years), special teams coach, and hubris from the head coach. His methods WERE the best. They don’t hold up in todays game. We need to bring in proven position coaches and coordinators. Riley was a step in the right direction. Give me a Dan Lanning caliber defensive coordinator. Not a “wonder kid” who’s never been a coordinator at any level. I love promoting from within until it becomes an issue. Group think is real and we seem to be suffering from it a bit.
I do have faith in Dabo. I honestly believe he will make the needed changes to make us a perennial playoff team again. Or, he won’t. It won’t affect my love for our Tigers. It will affect how much and how loud I grumble though. Don’t confuse asking tough questions and calling out issues for being a “bad fan!” Fans are notoriously erratic. Fan is short for fanatic. People always seem to forget that. Here’s the definition of fanatic: fanatic
noun
A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.
A person affected by zeal or enthusiasm, particularly on religious subjects; one given to wild and extravagant notions of religion.
A person affected by excessive enthusiasm, particularly on religious subjects; one who indulges wild and extravagant notions of religion.
I don’t apologize for being a fanatic of clemson football. It’s better than a blind cheerleader.
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Sounds like circular coot logic...
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After watching Miami the last couple of weeks, they are very beatable and the Tigers will roll.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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FSU didn't really come into our house and beat us, 17 offensive points in regulation was all they got. We all know the things that really cost us that game, and it had nothing to do with what FSU did. That was more of a "You're Welcome" from Clemson to FSU for that game.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 2:41 PM
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Clemson smacks miami in the mouth this game, theyre still soft from what ive seen.
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Game Changer [1995]
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Re: TNET: Dabo will change on the portal
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Oct 18, 2023, 2:42 PM
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I do believe Dabo will change on the portal just like he changed in Making TL QB1 over KB. Just like he changed to CK over DJU in the ACC Championship. Just like he moved on from Streeter to Riley. I think Dabo is waiting on regulations to go into the NIL before he attempts to get serious about it. Sooner or later this will happen as the playing field will level out again instead of the highest bidder gets the mercenary.
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Game Changer [1794]
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An outside analyst sees what many Clemson fans see. Coot?
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Oct 18, 2023, 2:44 PM
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Pate said what many Clemson fans have been saying for a long time. It's pretty obvious if you're reasonably objective like Pate, but it's BS Coot-talk if you're a coach-worshiper.
The following Athlon article lists the portal acquisitions for each team. Clemson is BY FAR the outlier. All of the other coaches have adapted to the portal era.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-football-transfer-portal-team-by-team-additions-tracker-2023
It's a coin-toss, but I think there's a good chance that a healthy, rested, improved Clemson team beats Miami-- perhaps even soundly. Go Tigers!
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Standout [341]
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Josh Pate isnt a national analyst. Hes a Georgia fan
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:15 PM
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airing a YouTube channel in his moms basement
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Recruit [-100]
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Josh Pate is a UNC grad.
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:33 PM
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And 247 sports is owned and operated by CBS.
Estimated net worth is well over 2 million.
DA.
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Tiger Titan [50571]
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Re: Josh Pate is a UNC grad.
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:40 PM
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Josh has been a life long Dawg fan, he grew up a few minutes from me, that’s a fact, if you have watched him through the years, long before he had any audience at all, you know he’s always been a dawg fan, tried to go National to increase his audience and has only said good things about Clemson when he had no other choice because we were winning everything,
Go back a few years and watch his videos on YouTube, you I’ll quickly realize that no real Clemson fan should be a fan of his criticism of Dabo, he’s been consistently cruel to our coach.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [107495]
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Did your Josh go to UNC, because the Josh Pate that wrote...
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:59 PM
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Outer Banks did.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 4:57 PM
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I think "prideful" is not the right word. I think "stubborn" is. Someone who spent his weekend off watching college football, if doing so with an open mind, would see the role of the portal to give top give teams a quick boost. It is true the portal is a temporary fix, but the truth is that no team remains static from year to year, so it's all temporary. Guys come in and others graduate, some players get injured and, these days, others depart via the portal. Coach's magical thinking has a team being a relatively fixed structure with everyone bonded within the family atmosphere. That's a wonderful image, but the truth is that nothing galvanizes and solidifies a team like winning. Unfortunately Coach is not built for the collegiate game in 2023. He has a virtuous but unrealistic vision. The only thing that will buy him more time and less fan criticism will be moderate or higher success in the remaining games this year and in the 2024 season. Otherwise each week in the ACC will be a nail-biter, and Clemson will remain back in the pack just as it is at the present moment. Every coach can say their team, with a few plays going differently in the games they lost, would be much closer to the top. To continue to use that line, and to disrespect the fanbase by taking about getting people off of the bandwagon, tell me all I need to hear. Coach Swinney is a great coach and motivator in the old system who is being carried out into deep and hostile water by a rip tide that will remain for the foreseeable future. NIL and the portal are here to stay. Top college players are in school to get into the NFL. Great teams attract great talent year after year, and Coach's approach virtually guarantees thinner recruitment gruel in the years to come. The team's decline is already the subject of much media speculation. If things (or his attitude) don't change, the time will come when Clemson will be the subject of trivia questions centered around the identity of a college football team that was at the top and then disappeared from view. We are paying for Coach's intransigence, and an even larger bill might soon come due. How sad.
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Rival Killer [2914]
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A-#######-men
Oct 18, 2023, 4:58 PM
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Holier than thou is not gonna cut it. A little humble and open-mindedness goes a long way towards longevity in this sport.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59970]
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Re: A-#######-men
Oct 18, 2023, 5:17 PM
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You just can't be getting mad at what someone says about you to the point that you'll aim the gun at your own foot and pull the trigger. You laugh at them and say everybody is entitled to their opinion, and put your head down and go to work making the changes that needed to get you back to where you've been, and that makes people laugh at the ones that was doing the criticizing!!!
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Athletic Dir [1136]
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Wait A Minute
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Oct 18, 2023, 5:08 PM
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Has this guy been reading TNET!!?
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MVP [541]
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Too much analysis by everybody. Fans, commentators
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Oct 18, 2023, 5:50 PM
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and everybody in between. I think I Iiked it better when we didn’t have so much information. That said, I wouldn’t trade Dabo for any coach in the country. Who wins it every dang year? Nobody!
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 18, 2023, 6:16 PM
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TVD hasn’t been seeing the field at all. Idk if that’s a “turnover monster” that can be evaded in any given week.
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Clemson Sports Icon [58475]
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
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Oct 18, 2023, 6:17 PM
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Fans are not to blame for anything that is or might be happening to the football team.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 18, 2023, 7:32 PM
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Josh Pate doesn’t say anything consistently. He’s all over the place. This is not what a thin skin coach says to the fan Base. It’s actually the opposite. Pate has flight Of ideas. He’s not focused.
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Solid Orange [1322]
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 18, 2023, 7:35 PM
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The issue isn’t the portal or NIL. The issue is missing on recruits and not developing the recruits we get. We have constantly gotten top recruits in the country just certain positions coaches aren’t developing their players like Mike reed does with our corners year in and year out.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 19, 2023, 12:36 AM
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He makes some good points here as did Dabo in the previous article about what "best" means to him. So, to be clear, I am and have been a Clemson Tiger for decades, back to 70's or before if you count childhood years so I've seen my share of ups and downs BUT saying you are not happy with the "downs" does not mean you are not a true fan or that you longer support the team and University. Anyone here ever been displease with a child??? You still love them but you may not be happy with them - get over that Dabo. In fact you should be more worried if you go 50-4 or whatever it was and then you go 4-3 and 2 years later 4-2, 3 years outside of the playoffs and two years (including what is almost a certainty this year) without even an appearence in the conference championship game and not winning a game against a true contender since OSU in the first round in 2020 AND the fams are not upset. No, we can't win every time but can't be happy about it eitehr!
Dabo, fans the flames constantly and to be honest has a POOR or non-existant Profesional Coach - I love you as a coach and organizer but help yourself every once in a while. Talk to "Primes" coach - he has a good one!
2019 - just fan the flames white hot against that OSU team that you beat in a great game the year before who were already steaming by saying they didn't belong in the playoffs and we get our butts whipped for the second time in a row in the playoffs and haven't been close to being back since.
Fast forward to DJ's first year - preseason, Dabo says this may be the best team he has had. They start 4-3, don't even win the division and end up with a scrappy 10-3 season, not bad but NOW Dabo congratulates the team for over-achieving. Which is it? Were we an above average team that forged out 10 wins (overachiever) or were we the best the team ever that wet the bed and lost 3 games? What are we supposed to believe? Fans don't understand "coach-speak" for the BS it is most of the time.
And then there is all the Portal and NIL stuff - You can't expect any reasonable person to buy the notion that you don't need both because ALL the data says otherwise. Just be honest for a change and say that you don't care if there are better players to be had, but you have made a committment to the players you recruited for better or worse and want to see them as Clemson Graduates - its a noble goal and you are to be commended for that but don't try to sell us that the best players are always in our locker room. You don't have to be Vince Dooley and Danny Ford - listening to them the year after the teams each won a Natty back to back and opened the season you would have thought each team would have been lucky to win more than 3 games, but you can share the concerns and temper expectations.
I was a Tiger supporter at 2-9 as well as 15-0 but I sure enjoyed 15-0! If we want the 15-0 we have to move with the game and right now we are not and that is just a cold hard fact. I don't know that we have a single person, at least on offense, that starts for the team that ran Bamma out of the stadium in our last Natty!
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No one
Oct 21, 2023, 12:42 AM
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…read all of that. I hope typing it all made you feel better.
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Clemson Sports Icon [58475]
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Re: No one
Oct 21, 2023, 8:02 PM
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I read it all.
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I Would Never Take a Job Where The First 4 Letters of The
Oct 19, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Title call me an asz
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Game Changer [1789]
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Josh who????
Oct 19, 2023, 8:14 PM
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🤷♂️
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MVP [512]
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 20, 2023, 8:47 AM
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After reading 9 pages of comments, I feel led to say this. I absolutely agree with many opinions on where we/Dabo are missing the mark. And I hope I'm not oversimplifying this whole conversation... but I don't think it's all about the NIL, the portal, recruiting, player development, internal coaching hires, pride, stubbornness, etc etc etc. I bet all those are factors, but I think the overreaching truth here is that Dabo is a man of integrity, character, and faith! I believe he makes his decisions based on his moral compass (i.e. God) as HIS coach! So yes, he could stand to improve on some (or all) of those items in that little list above, but I'm super proud of him for basing his decisions on character, integrity, and faith! If that means we win less ball games or championships or Natties, then so be it. The ends don't always justify the means, and some things in life are more important than winning football games (though those are very few), but if my son were playing football, there's no other program or coach out there that I would want him to play for more than Dabo Swinney and the Clemson Tigers!!!!
Go Tigers!!!!
Gregg Walling
'97 Alumni
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Oct 20, 2023, 11:56 AM
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A lion does concern himself with the opinions of sheep. Coach was once a lion and have faith he’ll self reflect and get there again.
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Re: TNET: National analyst critiques Swinney as "too prideful," calls for Miami upset
Oct 20, 2023, 7:34 PM
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Pate says he called the Duke score correctly, but no one predicted 3 turnovers. Remember Fla State won in OT and were behind for most of the game. If our kicker had been on, Fla State would be about 10-15 in the polls.
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CU Guru [1540]
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How many titles
Oct 21, 2023, 12:39 AM
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…has Josh Pate won? Now anyone with an iPhone and a basement can pretend to be important on YouTube.
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Starter [287]
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Living in my head rent free dude***
Oct 22, 2023, 9:05 PM
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