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Everyone knew this year with no seniors and no go to scorers
Jan 10, 2014, 8:21 AM
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was going to be a struggle. We are still an underclassman dominated team. The relatively easy Nov/Dec schedule and improvement in free throw shooting from last year had us all somewhat deceived about our improvement overall as a team. Blossomgame and Coleman were not the "missing pieces" that everyone hoped for. We miss Jennings and Booker more than people admit.
At the end of last year, many were asking(myself included) if it was time to let Coach Brownell go. The thinking was that we would struggle this year, but the following year (next year) he would have his first team with seniors and juniors he recruited and, given the mess he walked into from a recruiting standpoint, should be allowed to coach them that year to properly assess his coaching abilities.
Next year, unless the bottom falls out this year and I don't think it will, when we have balanced recruiting classes, is the make or break year for Coach B. It's frustrating to know you have to wait another year to be competitive, but we knew that going in. So, put your big boy pants on. 
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With the exception of missing Booker and Jennings, I agree
Jan 10, 2014, 8:23 AM
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Re: We were missing last night was
Jan 10, 2014, 8:28 AM
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shot after shot and pass after pass.
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It was definitely painful to watch***
Jan 10, 2014, 8:29 AM
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Re: It was definitely painful to watch- yes
Jan 10, 2014, 8:31 AM
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mid second half I actually dozed off for a few minutes.
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and the schedule doesn't get any easier....
Jan 10, 2014, 8:38 AM
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Five of Clemson's next nine games are against Duke, Pitt, UNC, Syracuse and Notre Dame and of those five games, only one (Duke) is at home.
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Your post makes good points but sounds like a broken.......
Jan 10, 2014, 8:55 AM
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record in the sense that these same things have been said over and over countless times during the past several decades. It's always what's going to happen with Clemson basketball or a coach's status or next year's recruiting class, etc.
We always hope that good times and success are right around the corner but when we get into conference play in January reality sets in.
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Re: Everyone knew this year with no seniors and no go to scorers
Jan 10, 2014, 8:59 AM
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With a team of juniors and sophmores it is a difficult task of playing in the ACC. With the newest editions , and those still to come it will only get harder. I love clemson and always will,but we have never been relivent in basketball. I know improvments in facilities are coming and they are long over due. I think there is a choice that has to be made . Do we stay with coach Brownell or move on? I don't belive we can due much better with our programs history. It will take time to change the perception of a program. I am excited with the commitment of Devoe. Coach Brownell has a herculian task before him. I would like to see if he's up to the task.The good coaches we have had have left due to the frustration of clemson being a football school.They have tried to change the atmosphere but I don't think it will change nor do I think it should. I don't see why clemson couldn't be both. It will take all of us together as a family to be successful, and I belive we will. Go TIGERS,Go TIGER FANS. Together we are unstopable .
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Re: Everyone knew this year with no seniors and no go to scorers
Jan 10, 2014, 9:02 AM
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This is basketball. Kentucky won with all freshman a few years ago.
FSU is a younger team than we are and they just beat us by 15 at home.
Age is overrated in basketball.
WE have a lot of experience, they just have all seemed to leveled out with respects to improving. We have bottom 4 talent in the ACC and that is where we have been finishing.
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That's always been our problem - with the exception.......
Jan 10, 2014, 9:06 AM
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of a few rare years, we never have the talent to compete in the ACC.
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So what's the answer.....
Jan 10, 2014, 9:14 AM
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You have to try to find that coach who possesses the unique ability to make chicken salad out of chicken s#!7 and then hope that you can hold on to him long term.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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This is really all I'm concerned with at this point.
Jan 10, 2014, 9:15 AM
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22-12 Brownell's first year with OP's recruits.
16-15 Brownell's second year with Tanner and Andre Young's leadership carrying us through a lot.
13-18 Brownell's third year with the backwash of OP's recruits left, Milt and Devin.
Brownell's fourth year. All his recruits. 3 that have left. Tougher schedule. Solid defense, but very limited inside with Nnoko and Josh Smith, and no one can score a basket. KJ will probably get his points but the question is what does he do to make the people around him better? It is going to be a long year. I'm guessing about the same ACC record as last year unless something dramatic happens.
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all I kept hearing was Coleman and Blossomgame would
Jan 10, 2014, 9:19 AM
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be our saviors.
Fact is, Brownell has shown nothing for anyone to get excited over. His teams seem to be getting worse each year in fact.
The only thing that keep Brad coaching for a few more years is we don't want to bring someone in new while we play in Greenville.
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That means we will have this season to endure.....
Jan 10, 2014, 9:26 AM
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the 14-15 season to endure in Clemson....THEN the move to Greenville for the 15-16 season and finally the new arena for 16-17. I'm seriously questioning if Brownell has that much time here before the new arena if things continue to plummet, but I'm also aware time goes by real fast. My guess if things continue as is, he will be gone before the first season in the new arena and that will be a selling point for a coach.
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Unfortunately for Brownell, I think that is a very likely
Jan 10, 2014, 9:28 AM
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scenario.
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That would be six seasons of Brownell before the new
Jan 10, 2014, 9:34 AM
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arena is open. To my ears and eyes, in this day and age, that is a fair amount of time to put together a general idea of what a coach can do with your program.
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If a school is fully commited to having a successful
Jan 10, 2023, 4:24 PM
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basketball program, and gives their coach the tools he needs, then it will not take 6 years to see results.
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CU Medallion [64685]
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Yup....
Jan 10, 2014, 9:41 AM
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We are not going to try to hire a new coach before a season when we are playing our home games at an off-campus temporary location.
If things continue to deteriorate, the new arena would be used as a selling point for Brownell's replacement but the University also has to be prepared to open up its checkbook in order to attract the kind of coach we need. The University can't limit our options by telling the AD to go hire whoever you want just as long as you keep the salary within some very limited perameters.
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No, everybody did not know or believe that.
Jan 10, 2014, 9:26 AM
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I certainly did. I totally agree with you, that this year was going to be a struggle, but a lot of people on here could not or would not accept it. I agree that Blossomgame and Coleman were not the missing pieces. I understand that good fans, being hopeful and optimistic, wanted very badly for them to be the missing pieces, but last year when I pointed out the reasons that we should not count on it, people didn't want to hear it. When I pointed out the fact that we would lack any inside presence and may miss Booker and Jennings, people did not want to hear it. Early this season, when we beat up on cupcakes and shot better from the line, nobody wanted to hear that it may be misleading, and that it may not translate into victories when the competition got a lot tougher.
I like Brownell a lot. I think he's a good coach, and I think he walked into a very difficult situation here. But if we finish with a worse record this year than last, that would be a strong, steady trend in the wrong direction; three consecutive years of getting progressively worse. I'm not sure that is acceptable under any circumstances. I hope I'm wrong; I hope we turn it around and make the NIT. If there is no improvement, and instead our record is worse, then it is time for serious questions.
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Who's job is it to get go-to scoreres? Very few teams in the
Jan 10, 2014, 9:33 AM
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country have more than one senior in basketball. You can't be in your third or fourth year and show no sign of life at all. I mean good lord, there isn't anyone that's a freshman that looks worth a ####.
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Re: Everyone knew this year with no seniors and no go to scorers
Jan 10, 2014, 9:47 AM
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Last night the team came out playing hard for five mins then we lost gas and motivation to play. There just was no hustle period. We play below talent level. If you foul you go out. If you put up a bad shot or bad turnover you should go out. We have no hustle or meanness.
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Jennings missed...that's a joke!
Jan 10, 2014, 9:48 AM
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What we do need is someone like Roper to learn to take those 5-10ft jumpers instead of driving to the basket and throwing up a wild layup. Clemson is not a basketball school and will never be one. Every 10-15 years we will have a good team but we will never be able to maintain it like we can in football...its a fact of life, get over it and enjoy what we have!
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It's all about recruiting
Jan 10, 2014, 9:53 AM
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I can never understand no matter who the basketball coach is why they don't target the upper echelon players. In the game of college hoops all you need to carry you are a couple dynamic players. I'd sell the ACC, clearly the best basketball conference in selling a kid on being part of starting something special similar to what Barnes did. He had my attention and LJ was packed out many games.
It also could've helped CU tradition if they kept the home grown instate talent. UNC and the NBA grabbed a couple of those
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I might agree with you if we saw improvement
Jan 10, 2014, 10:20 AM
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or even hope from the freshmen and sophomores. But I just don't see it. Other than McDaniels and Hall, where is the scoring coming from?
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