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Game Changer [1900]
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Hey maga folks, is climate change
Jan 11, 2025, 10:57 PM
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Hey maga folks, is climate change fact or fiction?
Caused by humans or just part of the natural “evolution” of the planet?
Should we take action or just let it ride?
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Let's fix it without giving dollars to corporate America***
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Jan 11, 2025, 10:59 PM
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Clemson Icon [26920]
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Adapt and overcome.***
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Jan 11, 2025, 11:36 PM
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Orange Immortal [66127]
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The change from Global Warming
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Jan 12, 2025, 9:54 AM
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to Climate Change tells you all you need to know.
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CU Medallion [20192]
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The cost of insurance and infrastructure are financial ramifications
Jan 12, 2025, 2:04 AM
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These and other economic considerations combined with human migration will change civilization as we know it in the next century. Most people are unaware of the economic costs that are already being experienced. In the next several decades those will become readily apparent.
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: The cost of insurance and infrastructure are financial ramifications
Jan 12, 2025, 7:54 AM
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Decades?
In the next couple weeks / months / years those economic costs will become readily apparent.
If you live in certain areas, these costs will become apparent in the next few days / weeks / months.
If your area is not hit directly and you get 99% of your news from Fox and other biased right wing sources, you might not understand the realities of climate change for a couple decades.
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Re: The cost of insurance and infrastructure are financial ramifications
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Jan 12, 2025, 9:13 AM
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I'm not MAGA and I do believe in climate change. I also believe that most of what is being done will not make one bit of difference unless China, India and developing nations also attempt to mitigate the problem.
We have probably already passed a point where we are going to be able to do much about this problem and knee jerk, feel good attempts may make other problems much worse.
I suspect we're going to have to learn to adapt to this changing environment in which some areas will actually benefit from the changes and others will be very adversely affected.
Having said all that, I don't necessarily think the fires in S CA are related to climate change, maybe, maybe not.
The facts are S CA is typically a dry environment. Santa Anna winds have been a long standing issue. People continue to build homes in rugged terrain surrounded by brush. This same brush is quite dry as S CA has as of late been drier than usual. However, in the 2 preceding years, S CA was much wetter than normal which led to greater brush growth.
When people choose to build in an area with potential winds of 100 mph, surrounded by dry brush with oftentimes challenging terrain and with poor water availability, what has happened and is happening is not really a surprise nor is it necessarily related to climate change.
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Yes, people who move to Cali, or already live there, are under more risk....
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Jan 12, 2025, 10:13 AM
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of fire than other places in the US.
People in Florida and the coast of Texas are at higher risk of flooding and destruction from hurricanes.
One of the things that climate scientists have told us is that a warming world will have more extreme weather events. We shouldn't blame one specific fire or hurricane on climate change. But as the world warms, we can expect more of these types of events in the future.
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: The cost of insurance and infrastructure are financial ramifications
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Jan 12, 2025, 11:24 AM
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The dry conditions are directly related to climate change. The Santa Ana wind events are not.
Building in fire zones are making things worse. Refusing to clean up fuel in these forests are making things worse.
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CU Medallion [20192]
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The hidden costs of climate change are a significant part of the issue
Jan 12, 2025, 9:54 AM
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Design and construction specifications for for buildings , DOT, ports, utility systems etc. already incorporate costs related to changing climate conditions. And there’s costs buried in our military budget, local government services such as fire, lost productivity etc. The willingness and ability for governments, businesses and individuals to pay for these hidden costs will be a challenge especially given the environment of conspiratorial distrust of subject matter experts and government.
Hope it doesn’t impact you and send Ts & Ps to those it does.
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Ultimate Tiger [36648]
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Another scam by the scum***
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Jan 12, 2025, 4:38 AM
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Game Day Hero [4422]
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
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Jan 12, 2025, 5:08 AM
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Scam.
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
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Jan 12, 2025, 6:23 AM
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the discussion is turning into anyone who smelled the smoke is now disabled and should recieve disability from the gubmint
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
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Jan 12, 2025, 9:13 AM
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The climate has been changing for as long as we’ve tracked it.
I have not seen evidence that humans have much of an impact. Ie. If this were a study, there would be no constant.
Using American tax dollars to try and manipulate the weather at this point is absurd. For one- India and China should pay the lion’s share. And 2 are we sure we know what we’re doing? None of the solutions put forward to date are perfect… and at what cost? Examples: solar panels, wind turbines, electric cars.. It’s 100% political at this point. I’m old enough to remember how we were all going to be extinct by 2000 and 2010 and 2015 and 2020 and 2022 and 2025. Maybe the biggest inconvenient truth is none of that happened.
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
Jan 12, 2025, 11:14 AM
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Thank you Elwin 07 for that rambling gibberish, absolute nonsense.
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
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Jan 12, 2025, 11:44 AM
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Your welcum SoiledOrange!
Your response is as thought provoking and insightful as it is riveting.
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Top TigerNet [29122]
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I'll translate what he said ... "Bhaaaa ... Bhaaaaaaa ... I'm a sheep"***
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Jan 12, 2025, 11:50 AM
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
Jan 12, 2025, 9:44 AM
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>>Hey maga folks, is climate change fact or fiction?
Not MAGA myself, but I'll bite. This is a fact. Climate Change is happening.
>>Caused by humans or just part of the natural “evolution” of the planet?
It's mostly driven by human actions. There are some natural parts, too. But climate scientists who have studied this have an overwhelming consensus at this point that climate change is real, and driven by humans.
Should we take action or just let it ride?
We should take action. There needs to be worldwide action. And that action won't happen without US leadership. It won't happen without China, India, and Europe, too.
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Clemson Icon [25056]
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Obviously....you 'swallow'***
Jan 12, 2025, 12:02 PM
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Orange Beast [6383]
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
Jan 12, 2025, 9:50 AM
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The post wreaks of someone who believes they know the science; they think they know it all and all 'scientists' who are real scientists agree.
Just ufcking come to grips with the fact that what you think about climate change (aka weather) is your OPINION, and an UNIFORMED OPINION at that.
Look, everyone knows people are changing the planet. When you mow your yard you are changing the planet. Anything we do creates or uses energy and heat.
No one can prove with math or physics that humans have caused or will cause global warming to the extent that those effects dominate the other physics naturally occurring between the sun and earth and earth's climate processes. Period. We/humans are not that smart and we do not have sufficient knowledge of 'initial conditions' or current conditions that would be needed to feed such a math/physics model.
Imagine a ginormous array of 1x1x1 (inch) cubes inside which the sun and search are placed. To really understand how to physically model the phenomena happening on earch, one would need to know the materials inside each cube, their state, and have a complete understanding of the physical properties (strength, heat conduction, thermodynamic properties, etc.) of the materials for the huge range of temperature, pressure to which they may be exposed.
This includes materials at the center of the planet to the surface, through the atmosphere, and between the atmosphere and the sun. Think about it.
If the number of cubes in the model are, say, 10,000 billion cubes, the number of cubes for which we really know what we need to know is maybe 100,000.
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Rival Killer [2887]
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The "opinion" that climate change is real and caused by humans....
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Jan 12, 2025, 10:01 AM
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has been formed by an enormous amount of peer-reviewed research.
It's no longer a debate about whether we're having it. We should discuss how to mitigate, and how to adapt, and how to reverse it. But debating whether or not it's even happening at this point is like debating whether or not the Earth is flat or round.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_SYR_SPM.pdf
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Orange Beast [6383]
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Re: The "opinion" that climate change is real and caused by humans....
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Jan 12, 2025, 10:37 AM
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Sorry smitty.
You'd be one of the crowd in Germany in 1939 marching the Jews to the chambers because the enormous amount of peer-reviewed research proved the Jews were the problem. Everyone believed it to be true.
And, get a grip on 'peer reviewed research.' Are you that naive? You really believe a bunch of leftists that have formed a self-licking ice cream cone club to convince themselves and THEIR FUNDERS that humans are causing global warming is the final word on this?
The entirety of the left has lost all credibility in 'science.'
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/another-example-how-the-left-has-killed-science-35900808
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Dynasty Maker [3128]
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Re: The "opinion" that climate change is real and caused by humans....
Jan 12, 2025, 11:51 AM
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What motive would they have to lie about it?
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Dynasty Maker [3128]
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Re: The "opinion" that climate change is real and caused by humans....
Jan 12, 2025, 6:55 PM
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So she says it’s real and humans are causing it but there’s no stopping it.
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Orange Immortal [62601]
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Not exactly ...
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Jan 13, 2025, 8:28 AM
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Yes, climate change is very real (and normal), and man does contribute to it, but man is not the main driving force and there is little he can do about it.
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Now that's an interesting analogy.
Jan 12, 2025, 3:52 PM
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As for your Nazi comments, comparing me to people that perpetrated the Holocaust, that's so over the top and stupid, that I know you don't actually believe it. You're just saying that to impress your MAGAt friends.
There's no way this many scientists across this many countries and continents with all the peer-reviewed studies could pull of a "hoax" of this magnitude.
I know you don't actually believe what you type.
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Orange Beast [6383]
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Re: Now that's an interesting analogy.
Jan 12, 2025, 6:46 PM
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Sheesh. Get off your high horse.
I am simply comparing one success story of information warfare (success from those perpetuating it, the Nazis) to what is happening to you today. Information warfare works and you are a victim. This thread proves it.
What makes you think you are invincible to the same things that convinced people to escort their neighbors to death?
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Again, it's an "interesting" analogy...
Jan 12, 2025, 6:56 PM
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But it doesn't describe the state of Climate Science in today's world. Nor does it describe me, or anyone else who wants to address climate risk.
But you're free to keep typing things you don't actually believe.
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Re: The "opinion" that climate change is real and caused by humans....
Jan 12, 2025, 9:25 PM
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By clown, I mean the NC_Tiger clown. What a ####### clown. Eating every piece of #### thrown her way.
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Orange Beast [6383]
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CU Medallion [20192]
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CO2 generation, atmospheric accumulation & greenhouse impact
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Jan 12, 2025, 10:26 AM
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… are pretty simple chemistry and physics. The statistical correlation of fossil fuel usage to CO2 atmospheric concentrations over time is also relatively straightforward.
The impacts of rising atmospheric CO2 levels on weather patterns are less precise _ but temperature trends in weather data support the predicted climate change hypothesis.
It’s really pretty simple science and math. Maybe Musk can get some Indian scientists and engineers over on H1B visas to explain it better?
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Orange Beast [6383]
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if you believe the earth's climate
Jan 12, 2025, 10:38 AM
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has any component that is 'simple' you are ignorant.
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Actually, he's right and not 'ignorant'....
Jan 12, 2025, 6:33 PM
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CO2's impact on climate is well-established and known. Methane also has warming impacts which are known. There's nothing controversial about the existence of man-made impacts on the planet at this point. Now, we don't know absolutely everything. We can argue about future projections, or the best way to mitigate climate risk. There are things that aren't known with certainty. But the existence of man-made climate change is known, and the concepts behind it are in fact 'simple' to understand.
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Re: Actually, he's right and not 'ignorant'....
Jan 12, 2025, 6:50 PM
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You are a typical liberal non-scientific person who easily agrees with the 'narrative.'
You will believe what you will believe. You have no ability to generate critical thought to challenge the echo chamber.
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Rival Killer [2887]
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Well....
Jan 12, 2025, 7:20 PM
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On one hand, I have all the peer-reviewed scientific research & data.
On the other hand, I have a guy flapping his gums about me marching Jews to death camps.
I put more credibility & weight on climate science research when making judgments about the 'narrative.'
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Re: and, importantly, correlation does not mean causation
Jan 12, 2025, 11:04 AM
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Another good article:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hilarious-graphs-pirates-prove-correlation-causation-lee-baker/
As human beings we are hard-wired from birth to look for patterns and explain why they happen. This problem doesn’t go away when we grow up though, it becomes worse the more intelligent we think we are. We convince ourselves that now we are older, wiser, smarter, that our conclusions are closer to the mark than when we were younger (the faster the wind blows the faster the windmill blades turn, not the other way around)...
Sound familiar smitty?
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
Jan 12, 2025, 10:34 PM
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What in the world would you use material strength for in these calculations? Maybe if you replaced "strength" with "emissivity" you might sound like you have the slightest clue of what you are talking about.
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Welcome back to 1988 everyone.
Jan 12, 2025, 10:30 AM
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Where's James Hansen when you need him?
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Not Maga, but I have an opinion.
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Jan 12, 2025, 12:39 PM
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Man certainly contributes to polluting the planet and harming the environment. We should all respect mother nature and do what we can to protect our environment.
At the same time, mankind and an industrialized world is not evil.
Yes, the climate is changing (always has, always will), and man's contribution is real, but exagerated, and solutions must be balanced with an overall, common-sense perspective that isn't driven by special interests. There's room for both capitalistic, profit-driven big industry which provides tremendous benefits for society, and sesnible environmental policy that helps keep out air, water, and soil clean and healthy.
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Re: Not Maga, but I have an opinion.
Jan 12, 2025, 9:30 PM
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It became a pseudo religious issue with Pat Robertson and others in the early 90s. The dominion theory is that God gave man dominion to do whatever he wanted to the planet, so it must be fine. Pat and those others took a lot of money from the Kochs, by the way.
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Orange Immortal [62601]
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Okay.
Jan 13, 2025, 10:13 AM
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But to be clear, my position has zero to do with that.
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Re: Okay.
Jan 13, 2025, 9:22 PM
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Yeah. I liked your post a lot.
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
Jan 12, 2025, 1:19 PM
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They don't think that the measures we take work and that it's a scam the way we push the climate change agenda. I think the majority think there is climate change.
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Even the 'experts' that are all-in
Jan 12, 2025, 6:54 PM
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on climate change agree that if the USA GHG emissions went to zero, it would have a negligible effect because China, India, and developing nations are building fossil fuel plants faster than Biden is losing his mind.
Plus, the fact that anyone in the USA, the most energy-hungry country on the planet, fakes concern about the effects of climate change just shows either how hypocritical they are or how ignorant they are.
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Re: Even the 'experts' that are all-in
Jan 12, 2025, 9:32 PM
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You probably have no idea about it, but China is actively building nuclear power plants. Even they view the fossil fuel plants as a stop-gap, and have huge investments in solar and other renewables.
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Game Changer [1900]
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Re: Even the 'experts' that are all-in
Jan 14, 2025, 9:11 AM
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NC Tiger has an inaccurate assessment of China’s actions related to climate change.
Austin Pounders right on target with respect to China and climate change.
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these Cali fires aren't helping anything climate related***
Jan 12, 2025, 8:36 PM
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
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Jan 13, 2025, 9:24 AM
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Steve Koonin is pretty interesting if you would like to learn a little more about Climatology and some of the political manipulation of climate science.
https://youtu.be/l90FpjPGLBE?si=D9WCWl_47aBhjaQq
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Re: Hey maga folks, is climate change
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Jan 13, 2025, 11:36 AM
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Interesting quote:
"3 billion people on the planet, of the 8 billion total, use less energy per year than the average American refrigerator."
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