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Mickey Plyler's Blog: Changing Another Piece of the Culture
Jul 25, 2012, 11:22 AM
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Changing Another Piece of the Culture
Changing Another Piece of the Culture
Years ago Lou Holtz said his biggest challenge at South Carolina was changing the culture. In many ways he was right and it's probably the same for many coaches around the country.
At Clemson,
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Good read!***
Jul 25, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Athletic Dir [872]
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I've always thought we had a good chance with any recruit
Jul 25, 2012, 11:48 AM
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with the reputation our coaches have for recruiting top talent. It does appear that the bar has been raised though with the 2013 class. Scary thing is, it still isn't over. Buckle up guys and gals.
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Urban Meyer Comments and Surprise
Jul 25, 2012, 11:52 AM
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I watched the Auburn Clemson game yesterday on ESPNU. During the game Meyer said he got on to his recruiters when he first got to Florida cause they were losing recruits to Clemson (i.e. Spiller). He went on to say he can see why now that he has been to Clemson. Awesome comments
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Paw Master [17734]
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Yeah, Meyer's story was pretty good...
Jul 25, 2012, 2:03 PM
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I particularly liked the answer that Meyer said his UF recruiters gave him when he asked how they were losing players to Clemson. It was something to the effect of "Coach, have you ever been to Clemson?"
GO TIGERS!!!!!
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Orange Blooded [4774]
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Yea good stuff. To be fair though... the swamp is a cool
Jul 25, 2012, 2:32 PM
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place. Weather sucks though... Nothing beats Clemson.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99922]
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Dabo was borderline hot seat last year...
Jul 25, 2012, 2:34 PM
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Clemson was loaded with talent and Urban was looking for work. He would quit the OSU job today and come to Clemson.
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Re: Urban Meyer Comments and Surprise
Jul 25, 2012, 3:14 PM
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I hope they have this Meyer sound bite playing when recruits are visiting. Or maybe the quote listed somewhere.
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Re: Urban Meyer Comments and Surprise
Jul 25, 2012, 3:25 PM
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Yep, I've been to the swamp also and liked it a lot......of course part of that was the fact they beat south carolina 56 to 3 or something like that....that can make any place be awesome
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Game Changer [1800]
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Totally psyched but recruiting hasn't been the problem.
Jul 25, 2012, 2:07 PM
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Totally psyched about Pagano. Swinney & crew can recruit with the best. But Bowden recruited well (with Swinney's help) in Bowden's latter years with similarly ranked classes. The problem at Clemson hasn’t been the lack of player talent. It’s been the inability of the coaching staff to get the team to play up to, or exceed, the level of the player talent. Clemson has lost more than it’s reasonable share of games to less-talented teams (like NCSU, GT, & WVU). Hopefully the staff gets that turned around, with the addition of Venables and a more balanced team.
Rivals class rank, (5-yr-avg. class rank), AP final poll rank.
2012: #14
2011: #8, (#18), #22
2010: #19, (#20), unranked
2009: #37, (#19.6) #24
2008: #12, unranked
2007: #16, #21
2006: #16, unranked
2005: #17
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99922]
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How many game did we lose for lack of a FG kicker?***
Jul 25, 2012, 2:35 PM
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During the last 5 of TB tenure.
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All-TigerNet [6026]
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But Razz, you have to admit that over the last 3 years,
Jul 25, 2012, 3:00 PM
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We've done a better job at coaching them up. This ain't the same old regime and I think you'd be foolish to expect the same results. BTW, final AP poll rankings have very little reflection on how well players are coached. Who wasn't expected to go Pro and does is a better meter. Besides, teams with the most 4 and 5 star recruits statistically end the year ranked higher. Period. Now that we have more of those coming on board, one would logically expect us to finish stronger. It's more math than "coaching up."
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Game Changer [1800]
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Dunno. Got any statistics to support your assertions?
Jul 26, 2012, 2:45 AM
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If Venables is as good as Morris, I expect Clemson will live up to its recruiting rankings, rather than underperforming.
The bottom line for me is that Dabo and Bowden similarly lost far more than their reasonable share of games to teams that had inferior player-talent and almost never upset teams that have superior player talent. As a Clemson fan, I'm ever-hopeful that will change.
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Re: Totally psyched but recruiting hasn't been the problem.
Jul 25, 2012, 6:26 PM
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I've actually done some pretty in depth numbers analysis on this very subject and if you look at the rankings for 2002 on (earliest available) you will see that these class rankings were not very good. If you look at an overall talent ranking based on the previous 4 years recruiting (I weight the average because seniors effect overall talent more than freshmen) you will see that the final rankings are pretty in line with this average. The major exception is 2008 when TB was rightfully fired. Following that we get the #37 ranked class (Dandy Dozen) which comprise our senior group this year. This is not good for overall talent because our senior leaders are the worst ranked recruiting class we have, but the other 3 are pretty good. Next year we will finally have a team in which all 4 classes were highly ranked, and good coaching to boot.
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110%er [4055]
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I need to change my expectation.
Jul 25, 2012, 2:26 PM
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I expect to beat South Carolina every year. Do I need to change that?
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Only change if you want me to shoot you.***
Jul 25, 2012, 3:04 PM
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Re: Mickey Plyler's Blog: Changing Another Piece of the Culture
Jul 25, 2012, 4:15 PM
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Hey Mickey,
I was troubled by the article in the Greenville news recently by Bart Wright criticizing Dabo for not giving Sammy discipline yet for his problem back in May. I have been a manager of people for nearly 40 years and most of that time has been spent in senior level HR roles. I can tell you that there is almost always grey area to consider when looking at disciplinary situations, and I fully understand why Dabo is taking his time to see how Sammy comports himself. Mr. Wright cites Dabo's delay in announcing discipline as a lack of leadership. I would view it as an abundance of wisdon.
Always enjoy your blog - keep up the good work.
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110%er [3940]
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40 years in Sr HR postions?
Jul 26, 2012, 9:21 AM
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Ugh....sorry'bout that 
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Paw Master [16776]
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Re: Mickey Plyler's Blog: Changing Another Piece of the Culture
Jul 25, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Well said. I am not shocked, because I get it. I think Dabo, et. al., cause a lot of recruits to "get it". Things are looking very bright for Clemson.
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