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Ring of Honor [23156]
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sorry, but Steve Fuller is still the best QB in CU history
Nov 14, 2012, 8:42 PM
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and it is simply mind-boggling to see this topic discussed over and over, and Fuller is almost an afterthought. A couple of us old farts will bring him up, but most people here are arguing about Whitehurst, Dantzler & Boyd. Are you kidding me? Yes, all of those guys had (are having) really good careers, but Fuller is still head-and-shoulders above them all.
If you're reaching for the keyboard to start posting stats... don't even bother. All passing stats, offensive records, etc, are bound to get crushed nowadays. Fuller played in a ball-control, option offense in which the running game was featured. And in an era when teams actually played defense. Forget all the statistics and look at the big picture.
1) Fuller led Clemson to an 11-1 record and #6 ranking in the 1978 final AP poll.
2) 1978 AP All American, and finished 6th in the Heisman Trophy voting.
3) 1st round NFL draft pick.
4) Played 7 years in the NFL and had 5 starts for the 1985 Chicago Bears that won the Super Bowl.
####, those 4 right there will do for starters. Y'all let me know when another Clemson QB does any of that. But I won't wait up.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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100 percent agreed
Nov 14, 2012, 8:46 PM
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not even close.....too many folks think Clemson football started in the BCS era because that's as far back as they go.....Fuller was hands down the best QB we've ever had and the best pure athlete at that position bar none....
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Campus Hero [14067]
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1978 was 20 years prior to even the BCS era. Lots of us
Nov 14, 2012, 8:47 PM
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don't go back that far...
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Orange Blooded [3258]
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and it is your loss.......great and exciting times
Nov 14, 2012, 8:51 PM
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very intelligent QB, fantastic D, and better OL than you probably ever seen.....and great kicking game as well!
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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it is their loss....
Nov 14, 2012, 9:42 PM
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i'm glad the younger folks have grown up Tiger fans...what i don't like is how many of them have no concept of history....my first memory is '77, my first game was ND in DV when Montana, Browner and McAfee broke our hearts...having said that, i learned about Fred Cone, Buddy Gore, Charlie Waters, Wayne Mass, Banks, etc. because i fell in love with the Tigers and wanted to know. I get irritated talking Clemson football with young folks who know about '81 but when you talk about Jeff Bryant, Ed McDaniel, Wesley McFadden, Wayne Simmons, Ashley Sheppard, etc. they have no idea who you're talking about...and so many don't even want to know. They've heard of Levon, Dawk, Jerry Butler, Perry Tuttle, etc. because of NFL fame or just the "name" that they have with Clemson folks....but you mention Jeff Bryant and they are clueless....he started for 4 years and saved our undefeated season against UNC when he fell on the lateral.....#99 is a Clemson HOFer and in my opinion, one of the three best DL i ever saw wear the Paw in my lifetime...AND played 12 years with the Seahawks....just an example...i just wish more of them would read the history more, that's all....the '78 team would have given the '81 team a run for its money and anyone who saw them play would probably agree.....Jim Stuckey is another one....what a beast #83 was and has two SB rings with the 49ers....
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MVP [507]
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I was at that Notre Dame game... I was also at this game
Nov 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
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The State Headline "Fuller, Butler Strike. Sink U.S.C. 31-27." My First Clemson vs. USuC game. We scored with about a 1:47 left in the game. I think we were up 17-0 at the half. The Coots went ahead 27-24 and then Fuller hit Butler. #88 was Jonnathon Brooks and #20 for the Coots, I forget his name, played in the NFL for the Patriots. One of the best games I've ever seen. The only other Clemson USuC game I've seen at the dead cockroach, was the 45-0 smack down in 1989. Coach Ford's last regular season game as the Tiger's head coach.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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i was at the Carolina Coliseum watching that one
Nov 14, 2012, 10:16 PM
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on closed circuit TV going nuts when Butler hauled that one in on Fuller's roll out pass.....i'm born and raised in Columbia, could see WB's lights from my back yard and despise them as much now as i did as a kid.....Jonathan Brooks was #84 if i remember correctly, i got his belt and mouthpiece from him on the DV field after the ND game in '77....he was a hell of a DE/LB for us....#20 for the Chickens was either Mark Sanford or Bill Currier, one of the two....both good DB's for them who both played for the Pats if i'm not mistaken.....we were up 17-0 at the half and i was about sick to my stomach then the drive started and my 9 year old self was out of my mind with my uncle right in front of Chicken fans in garnet blazers and ties watching their world collapse.....good times.
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MVP [507]
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I too am from Cootlumbia. You are right about Jonathan Brook
Nov 14, 2012, 10:31 PM
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Brooks. The coot was Mark Sanford. I have a white Tiger Rag that Jonathan Brooks autographed for me in 78'
At the 77'Clemson vs.USuC game, I was 10 years old. I was sitting on the 45 yard line on the Coot side. I went to the game with my next door neighbor who was a big coot fan. I remember after Butler made The Catch, some old,drunk,fat Woman, Carolina fan gets in my face and yells "Go to Hell Clemson." With out missing a beat I yelled back at her " We ain't going to hell. We are going to the Gator Bowl." You could have heard a pen drop.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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CLASSIC!......
Nov 14, 2012, 10:37 PM
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i was at the Carolina Coliseum again in '79 when the Chicken punter, Jay Feltz (who wore short pants/cut offs) kicked the 84 yard punt that pinned us and Marvin Sims absolutely shredded their D up the middle all the way down the field and Lott couldn't complete the pass to beat them.....i was sick to my stomach and a Chicken fan, about 50 years old, spilled a mixed drink all over me while jumping up and down and my uncle grabbed him by the tie and said, "you may have just beat our ### but if you don't apologize to my nephew right now i'm going to beat YOUR ###"....i wanted to punch him out myself....i was at the '78 Chicken game in DV where we drilled them and Rogers into the turf all day.....what i'd do to go back to those days man.....
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MVP [507]
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I rember that punt. It was about a 30 yard punt that rolled
Nov 14, 2012, 10:45 PM
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about 50 yards on te astroturf. I saw that game on closed circuit at the Carolina Coliseum. I was at the 78' game in Death Valley. It was unusualy warm for November. I sat on The Hill. I think that was the game that I got Jonathan Brooks autograph.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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i was watching on closed circuit at that dump too....
Nov 14, 2012, 11:21 PM
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right around mid court about 30 rows up......i was on the Hill for the '78 game too...41-23 pounding of them....we drilled Rogers all game long.....i still have the program from that game...
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MVP [507]
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I remember the drive. Fuller hits Butler for a fist down the
Nov 14, 2012, 10:37 PM
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then I think we tried running the ball. Fuller then hits Rick Weddington for another fist down, before he hits Butler in the endzone.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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how in the world do we actually remember this stuff?? lol
Nov 14, 2012, 10:40 PM
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you are spot on correct....Weddington? talk about a blast from the past there.....the Bostic brothers were on that OL too.....along with Lacy Brumley and Steve Kinney, if i remember correctly......4 beasts....Marvin Sims remains the best FB we've ever had as far as i'm concerned.....what a horse that guy was....#31 up the middle dragging folks.....
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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We have Cred, as they say today !
Nov 14, 2012, 10:44 PM
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BTW, I had stormed out of the house on JB's "the Catch" but ran back in to catch the replay to save some face
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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yes we do......
Nov 14, 2012, 11:19 PM
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and i wouldn't trade the memories for anything....and the fire inside us for the Tigers hasn't gone anywhere either.....nothing like being with some 40 and up Tiger fans that haven't let life, kids, marriage, whatever, take that passion away. We do, after all, have to pass it on to the youngsters like it was passed to us.
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Orange Blooded [3258]
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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i'm 44 and i love the Tigers just as much as i ever did
Nov 15, 2012, 12:11 AM
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as a kid....and it ain't going to change no matter where i live at or what's going on.....it's called passion and it was put into me by my Uncle and my Pop and it stuck...
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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Enthusiast [143]
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Re: i think #88 was Anthony King/TE.....
Nov 14, 2012, 11:25 PM
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I believe you are correct, Jon Brooks played at LB, not on offense. He was a buddy of mine along with Steve Durham a good DE for us.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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Steve Durham #66....a heck of a DT.....***
Nov 15, 2012, 12:09 AM
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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here , here . One of the better posts ever
Nov 14, 2012, 10:22 PM
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That is right in my wheelhouse. I cut my teeth with those fellows. Man, it brings back memories. Some of the very best times in Clemson football. Back when the conference meant something.
Playing against famous Amos Lawrence, Lawrence Taylor and keeping "Chicken George " AND "Hershel Walker out of the Clemson endzone.
I developed a personal relationship with Cliff Austin and had great relationships with William Perry, Jim Stuckey, and others as a student.
all unassuming great guys.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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not to be dramatic man...but those are the times
Nov 14, 2012, 10:30 PM
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of my childhood as a young man in Columbia who had orange and purple blood running while surrounded by Chicken fans at school and in my family....my uncle was a '56 Clemson grad and him and my Pop (a lifelong ND fan from NJ) took me to DV starting in '77 and i idolized those guys.....playing against Charlie Wysocki at Maryland, Montana at ND, watching our homeboy from Cayce Jim Stuckey living in the opposition's backfield, Terry Kinard patrolling the secondary like a defensive QB/wizard, Jeff Bryant seeming to have a million tackles for loss, THE JUDGE (in my opinion, the best football player i've ever seen in a Paw) make hit after hit, Randy Scott and Bubba Brown run all over the field, Danny Tripplett and Mark Heniford play OLB and DE at about 195 lbs. and drill folks....i could go on and on....we WILL return to that level of ball very soon....i can sense it....those of us who remember that relentless D and pounding OL can sense it coming back....and i'll feel like a kid again....
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Legend [6768]
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The ACC Had 7 Teams In 1978....Much easier schedule
Nov 15, 2012, 7:00 AM
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GT joined in 78 but wasn't on the schedule.....Also, the ACC was Horrible from top to bottom for the most part. Maryland and NC State were the only other teams in the ACC with a winning record:
Uva: 2-9
Duke: 4-7
NC St: 9-3
Wake: 1-10
UNC: 5-6
UMd: 9-3
VT was a frequent easy win on our schedule as was South Carolina. UGA was the 800 pound gorilla that was our gold standard. Even Ohio State was only a 7 win team.....
I am not saying this to bash Fuller....I watched him and thought he was great and brought Clemson back to a great era......BUT Tajh is a better QB. (I didn't say greater)..
The ACC has 5 and soon to be 7 more teams than 1978 and most are far better than the 1978 ACC. Even South Carolina is a tough game now.
Tajh is facing much tougher defenses, running a far more sophisticated offense and his path to victory is much more difficult than Fuller......
Now, without Fuller and his accomplishments, I don't think we would be where we are and he gets the "Great" nod..........But, Tajh is better IMO
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All-In [10774]
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I don't think the ACC was easier in '78 than it is this year
Nov 15, 2012, 1:16 PM
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Couldn't be. Could it?
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Follower [265]
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Re: it is their loss....
Nov 15, 2012, 9:06 AM
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Total Respect for all of you that grew up in those times and experienced all of it first hand. That being said, please remember that when everyone says that we younger folks "have no history" that's a common thing. I don't expect people who grew up in the 70's to wax poetic about the 50' and 60's. Why should the folk growing up in the 90's and 00's do any more for the 70's and 80's? Like I said, the times and everyone who was there will always have my respect, but my attention will always be directed toward the last decade and now, the times that I am here to see.
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Orange Blooded [3258]
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#4 is on the stadium for a reason. He wa simply the best!
Nov 14, 2012, 8:48 PM
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then, now, for the foreseeable future. That 1978 tean was as good as any to include 1981.
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Orange Blooded [2567]
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Kids these days! Everything and everyone was better then ...
Nov 14, 2012, 8:49 PM
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America is not as good as it used to be. People used to be a lot tougher. Get off my lawn. And all that other stuff.
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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don't forget Buddy GO (Gore) !***
Nov 14, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Game Changer [1640]
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Re: don't forget Buddy GO (Gore) !***
Nov 14, 2012, 9:10 PM
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Uh. this is about quarterbacks - Buddy was a tailback.........
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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sorry, I thought the tailback WAS the qb
Nov 14, 2012, 9:47 PM
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back then ,,,,single wing was it ?
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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My first reaction was " now wait a minute"
Nov 14, 2012, 8:53 PM
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Let me qualify myself , I was on the Hill in 1978 (?) when Joe Montanna Vegas Ferguson and Ross Browner came back and squeaked out a victory.
I remember all those games . ..Mack truck, Lester Brown , Stan Rome ( might be getting some of them mixed up , old).
You might be right about Fuller. Whitehurst has hung in there a while holding a clipboard in the NFL.
I personally liked Cullen Harpers play.
but Homer Jordon brought home the grand prize. I will never forget him running around the swealtering Orange Bowl.
Just my thoughts.
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Orange Blooded [3258]
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Re: My first reaction was " now wait a minute"
Nov 14, 2012, 8:57 PM
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Joe broke our hearts in 1977. We only lost to UGA in '78.
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Orange Blooded [3677]
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And Billy Lott went to South Bend
Nov 14, 2012, 9:01 PM
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and won in '78 ( I think )
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Orange Blooded [2662]
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1979 in South Bend
Nov 14, 2012, 9:17 PM
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We were their Homecoming and beat them in their house. Never been invited back since! 
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All-In [10957]
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Re: My first reaction was " now wait a minute"
Nov 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
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thanks.i was about to mention homer,but you got there first.can't understand why he doesn't get more credit and recognition.he did bring home the national championship,and if i'm not mistaken,he wound up on an iv drip after the orange bowl because of the dehydration he experienced from giving his great effort.certainly a champion,and no. 1 in my book.
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Orange Blooded [2662]
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Re: sorry, but Steve Fuller is still the best QB in CU history
Nov 14, 2012, 8:54 PM
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Steve was the man. He is the first Clemson QB that really remember growing up. He was my hero and I have several of his autographs from games and jamborees. I could not argue with you at all, although it is hard to compare different eras. Tajh had done a helluva job, and if he stays one more year, he could end up taking the title from Steve. I bet Tajh would beat Steve in singing.......remember the Super Bowl Shuffle...
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Varsity [100]
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Re: I played intramural basketball against Fuller , Dwight
Nov 14, 2012, 9:49 PM
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Clark and some others.
All I can say is, after they scored and we took the ball back in, they were already at the other end of the court waiting on us. Fast is an understatement!!
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All-American [588]
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Me too! they had heckuva team....Jerry Butler played
Nov 14, 2012, 11:26 PM
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As well. Have had a chance to see Steve at some high school basketball games in recent years. His daughter was playing, could hear him cheering across the gym and remembered thinking his voice had not changed much. Steve had a very high pitch voice. Great guy and amazing athlete!
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Paw Master [17865]
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no doubt..but this best in history thing..
Nov 14, 2012, 9:58 PM
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always gets me.the game was much different in those times compared to now.im sure players that are great today may have struggled back then and vice versa.but for his time he was very very good and is one of the best in clemson history
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MVP [507]
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He finished #7 for Heisman in 78', but was the top QB
Nov 14, 2012, 10:18 PM
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I think Billy Simms won that year.
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CU Guru [1335]
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Re: He finished #7 for Heisman in 78', but was the top QB
Nov 15, 2012, 12:22 AM
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I played with Fuller at SHS , #### I am getting old
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Ring of Honor [23156]
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Rooter [243]
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the 1985 Chicago Bears were sick
Nov 14, 2012, 10:34 PM
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just sick.
that was a window where the NFC made it boring for the NFL and Super Bowls.
and i'm a lifelong NFC fan....
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Orange Blooded [2353]
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Steve Fuller was the Wish You Were Here of Clemson QBs
Nov 14, 2012, 11:27 PM
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Tajh Boyd- DSOTM
Woodrow Dantzler- The Wall
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110%er [8681]
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Re: sorry, but Steve Fuller is still the best QB in CU history
Nov 15, 2012, 12:34 AM
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I've only watched Clemson football since 2002, so I'm not going to pretend like I know everything, but if Tajh completely destory's every passing record with only 2 years under him, think what will happen his 3rd year. At that rate it doesn't matter what system you run, you're a #### good QB. Other than the VT game, GT was the worse he looked this season and he almost had 400 yards passing. Everyone keep in mind I'm not bashing Fuller at all, but just saying Tajh deserves to be mentioned with our greatest.
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Orange Blooded [4409]
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you're absolutely correct....
Nov 15, 2012, 12:46 AM
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if he continues on the path he's on, in my mind, he may surpass Fuller.....but there's still time....and a ways to go to match him up with #4, who's number hangs in DV for a reason. One day #10 may hang too.....he's on his way.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Will Proctor.......I've never seen a Clemson QB so
Nov 15, 2012, 8:37 AM
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skillled at sacrificing his body to the ground long before a defender even gets near him. That boy had moxy.
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We'll see.
Nov 15, 2012, 9:16 AM
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Boyd has a chance to equal and possibly surpass all those stats you posted, esp if he comes back next year. Plus, shattering virtually every Clemson passing record in existence.
BTW - I saw Fuller play and fully agree with you, that - at this point - he's the best we've had.
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agreed....Charlie couldn't carry Steve's water bottle***
Nov 15, 2012, 9:16 AM
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Agree...guess folks could debate certain eras. BTW...
Nov 15, 2012, 9:20 AM
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I always liked Rodney Williams as well. He won some huge games and the one person I always pretended to be playing backyard football. I also would pretend to be Treadwell lining up to kick a game winner.
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Orange Beast [6245]
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One thing I have tried to do to substantiate this argument..
Nov 15, 2012, 10:17 AM
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Is try to imagine swapping the 2 players in question to each others team. In other words how well would Tajh fit in running the 78 team? How well would Fuller do running this 12 team?
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Rival Killer [2616]
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Don't forget who protected Fuller.... The Bostics planted
Nov 15, 2012, 10:28 AM
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more than John Deere did in the late 70's .
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Ring of Honor [22720]
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Re: Thanks for appologizng for your stupid opinion***
Nov 15, 2012, 10:42 AM
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Ring of Honor [23156]
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Ring of Honor [22720]
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Re: My signatures are turned off
Nov 15, 2012, 1:46 PM
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hth
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