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Ambassador [6046]
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Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 3, 2012, 3:36 PM
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better than the PAC12/Big10's deal with the Rose Bowl?
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the SEC/B12 deal with the new Champions Bowl?
I'll give Swofford a nice golf clap for holding the ship steady for right now. But if you think after all these other games and conferences finalize their deals that the ACC will still look amazing, you need to take off the baby blue tinted glasses.
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CU Guru [1895]
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I Imagine they will be the same.
Jul 3, 2012, 3:37 PM
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and there is nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 3, 2012, 3:38 PM
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Depends how much money the ACC plans to split withe their opponent. The SEC/Big 12 and the Big 10/Pac have to split money with each other. Right now the ACC controls the TV rights and that could be a big benefit going forward.
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110%er [5249]
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My hope
Jul 3, 2012, 3:39 PM
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since we hold exclusive rights, we don't have to split money 50/50. We can give the competeing school more cash than a conference wide payout might be, and then keep the rest.
Say OB makes 100 mil. Typical bolws might have to do 50 mil per conference. For ease of numbers, say there are 10 schools in the conference, they get 5 mil. each.
Hopefully with the OB, we can give the other school, say, 8 mil. That leaves 92 mil. for the other teams, which would sure as h3ll be more than 5 mill. per school, even with 14 teams
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Legend [16275]
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Last year's BCS games pruduced around $35-40 million total
Jul 3, 2012, 5:22 PM
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to be split according to conference agreements. With two of these bowls now hosting four teams as the semis, those BCS-style bowls that aren't part of the semi's mix that year won't be worth any more than they have in the past, maybe even less because now there's two less attractive teams available.
It's good for the ACC to continue to have the Orange Bowl as a home for this level of a bowl game, but it's hard to see it changing much from a revenue standpoint compared to what it's generated in the past.
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Exactly, the interest in ND being the opponent. You could
Jul 3, 2012, 6:01 PM
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pay ND $10-15M (depending on how good they are) and they'd be happy. Whereas a Big Conference team needs more to split with their conference mates.
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Oculus Spirit [79002]
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It most likely will not be as good
Jul 3, 2012, 3:40 PM
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just because of the fact that the ACC is arguably the weakest power conference out there. If the possible list of opponents are impressive, it may be an equal deal.
Now, Swoffie should cancel the 9th conference game and fix that issue.
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Legend [16275]
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9th conference game is likely part of the ESPN deal - doubt
Jul 3, 2012, 5:24 PM
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there's any realistic way to get that back out of the package.
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Well...
Jul 3, 2012, 3:45 PM
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it looks like the ACC will be keeping all of the money, because they're are no automatic tie ins like the other two bowls. This is basically the ACC's bowl now, while the other conferences basically share theirs. Great news for the ACC. And the possibility of having new opponents from various conferences every year is intriguing. No more ###### teams from the Big East (ie Cincinnati, Louisville, UConn, etc)
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It's attractive when you have teams that are top ranked
Jul 3, 2012, 4:15 PM
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and have good records. ACC can do wonders by us (Clemson), Miami, FSU, etc stepping up.
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110%er [6781]
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I think it has the potential to. since the acc controls the
Jul 3, 2012, 4:30 PM
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game and revenue. its not a 50 50 partnership bowl. its basically the ACC inviting someone else to play in our home bowl game.
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I see something like this-- ND split based on record/rank
Jul 3, 2012, 4:56 PM
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with a min # of wins, next avilable Big12/SEC/Pac12/B12 team or other at large with that split being much less- than ACC similar to way the Chic Fil A is done where SEC gets less than ACC because they are sending a lower team. I expect the Chic Fil A $ is about to go up as well. ACC has added Independence bowl with SEC rather than Big East which improves that bowl. There will be other opportunities to improve Bowl position especially with a lot of Big East ties falling by the wayside. I'd like to see a B10 tie in. Fine with the pac 12 ties ins out west.
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Re: I see something like this-- ND split based on record/rank
Jul 3, 2012, 5:02 PM
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Here is my take on this announcement. It was the best we could do. We at least as a conference are guaranteed to have a team in one of the top rated bowl games each year. Unfortunately, on years when we don't have a team ranked in the top four it means that our conference champ plays someone else's also-ran. Puts a ton of pressure to win that game every year or expect a year's worth of articles on how even the best of the ACC can't compete with any other power conferences dregs. The bottom line to it all is Swofford is still playing catch-up. I am waiting on the day we get a new conference commish who can get us in a position to be on the cutting edge again.
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 3, 2012, 7:12 PM
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no not really...
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We are in a position to be right there with the other ...
Jul 3, 2012, 10:33 PM
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conferences but that will require winning.
The conference that puts the most teams in the title, playoff and bcs bowls will distance themselves from the others.
We need a 12 or 13 win acc champ, and two other teams with at least 10 wins.
For example:
Clemson 12-1 one loss to VT in reg season but beats them in the ACCCG.
FSU 11-1 one loss to Clemson.
VT 11-2 one loss reg season and loss in acccg.
Clemson and FSU #3 and #4 in poll.
1.USC 13-0 2.LSU 13-0 3.Clemson 12-1 4.FSU 11-1
5. Ore 11-2 6. AL 10-2 7. OK 10-2
8. Mich 10-3 9. VT 11-2 10. WVA 10-2
I know this is a long shot but this is what the acc needs to see!
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Re: We are in a position to be right there with the other ...
Jul 4, 2012, 5:05 PM
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Yes about the winning. I'm no fan of the ACC but for them to get somewhat on the same level as the other conferences...they must win. That is what has hurt the ACC's image in the last 15 years in the BCS. Until the ACC puts out a good product, nobody is going to watch or care.
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 3, 2012, 11:50 PM
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I believe Swofford just one upped the B12 and SEC. The Pac 12 and Big 10 don't care as long as they kept the Rose, but do really think Slive is happy that he could have went solo rather than pull the B12 along?
The ACC still has to win, but setting up a exclusive deal where the conference owns the media rights... Nobody else has that. The potential is there for this to be huge
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Great point. You'll be pleased to know that the SEC/BigXII
Jul 4, 2012, 12:12 AM
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deal is only for five years, while the Orange and Rose are for 12. Options sooner anyone? There's still the Sugar which has been a loyal companion of the SEC since the yankees that is kind of dangling around in this process right now. It's New Orleans, so it will stick around as a major, but its contests are kind of up in the air right now. A good alternative home for an ACC power.
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Oculus Spirit [94262]
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I'm still skeptic too.
Jul 3, 2012, 11:51 PM
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At this time we have reason to be skeptic but have no information to support our emotions.
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Preach it man, but be careful some of these fans are
Jul 4, 2012, 12:08 AM
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willing to accept anything without question and they will give you a big old
sigh, as if the money doesn't matter
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The major difference being, the ACC own the rights to the...
Jul 4, 2012, 10:01 AM
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Orange Bowl outright. The SEC and Big 12 share the rights to the Champions Bowl and the Pac10 and B1G don't have rights to the Rose.
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Re: The major difference being, the ACC own the rights to the...
Jul 4, 2012, 5:11 PM
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That is a positive for the ACC but here is my question about the money:
We have all talked about the tv contracts for all of the conferences. Now if the ACC was 3 or 4 million behind the Big 12, how much money could the ACC make off the OB to bring themselves up there with the other conferences? In a sense its a hard question b/c we don't know how much the other conferences will make off their major bowl game.
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 4, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Maybe I'm missing something but the ACC doesn't own the orange bowl it's the other way around. The orange bowl will determine payouts and most likely they will be 50/50. In all likelyhood the opponent will be from another conference and have to split their payout with league members. Also read where the game will be played at 1 and not primetime possibly reducing advertising monies. It's still a win for the ACC but not the cash cow some are envisioning.
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1pm on NYD is a better time slot than some random date night
Jul 4, 2012, 10:57 AM
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game post 1/1---- it will command a higher $ in that spot than it would have last year on a wed night
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Oculus Spirit [94262]
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No doubt about that.***
Jul 4, 2012, 3:55 PM
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 4, 2012, 3:30 PM
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Its the other way around the ACC owns the Orange Bowl now. The ACC owns the media rights to the game, they are the ones negotiating for possible bowl opponents.
Swofford has already said Notre Dame is in the mix. Try as some might, the ACC just pulled off a very strong move.
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Oculus Spirit [94262]
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The OB is a good deal for the ACC from what we now know.
Jul 4, 2012, 3:59 PM
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However, the selection committee will choose the opponents and during the times the OB is in rotation for the playoff the selection committee will seed two teams.
Without someone on the committee being biased ND will not be a regular in the OB.
I'm holding my criticism until more information becomes available.
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Raycom to buy right for OB***
Jul 4, 2012, 4:06 PM
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 4, 2012, 4:21 PM
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It definitely gives a lot more options to have a great opponent, which equals more viewers. Think about years past when a team like Boise would have potentially missed the playoffs, but could be selected by the orange bowl now. Sounds a lot more attractive than the Champions bowl settling for a team like Georgia (who got smacked by Lsu last year) vs a non championship Big 12 team. The OB can pick a trendy team each year now to showcase, not to mention won't have to split revenue equally with.
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Re: Do we really believe the ACC's deal with the OB will be
Jul 4, 2012, 4:51 PM
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Good post... some don't want to believe Swofford pulled off a good move.
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Yeah Swofford should get some credit for being one of
Jul 4, 2012, 5:30 PM
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the sneakiest people in conference politics. He was the first to draw blood in conference expansion with the addition of miami, vt, and bc. I believe Swofford is thinking in longer terms than most fans. We have the entire eastern seaboard locked up. When the Acc starts winning games and you see the ESPN hype machine behind this conference and the SEC we won't be the so called "5th best conference." Espn isn't against the ACC. They are against their competition (Big 10 network, Fox, etc). We have to do our part as a conference. The rest will take care of itself.
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We tend to jump the gun celebrating deals.
Jul 4, 2012, 5:51 PM
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Remember all the thumbs up we gave Swofford after the TV deal was signed 3 years ago? Then we found that our TV deal badly trailed the other conferences.
First of all, the ACC is not going to get 100% of the proceeds from the Orange Bowl. It will be split 50-50 with the conference of the opponent.
Second, we do not know whether the Orange Bowl payout will equal that of the others, much less exceed the others. Think about it: Has Swofford ever negotiated a great deal, to give us confidence that he can get a great deal now for the Orange Bowl? NO.
Third, there is nothing to prevent the other conferences from getting a private arrangement with the bowl(s) they are affiliated with.
Fourth, what kind of opponent will the ACC get in the Orange Bowl? We know that the 2nd and/or 3rd best teams from the SEC, Big 12, Pac 10 and Big 10, that don't make the playoffs, will go to bowls associated with those conferences. The Orange Bowl will have to settle for the 3rd, maybe 4th best teams from those conferences. That's not the recipe for great bowl matchups and consequently big Orange Bowl payouts.
Let's wait to see what the other conferences get bowl-wise before celebrating what may turn out to be a bad deal compared to the other conferences.
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