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Jul 7, 2024, 9:24 PM
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Not sure why so many on here can’t understand the concept of NIL. I keep hearing people say that Dabo is right and players should have to earn NIL. Quick question… how many of you have worked for free to earn pay at a respectable company? Didn’t think so!! You earned your salary based on your resume and previous experience!! For college players that is their high school football careers. They don’t have to prove anything. If you don’t like the film then don’t recruit them. How can Dabo say we’re the only major college program who doesn’t pay for their services?It’s like starting a restaurant and only paying employees once they have proved their loyalty to the company. Never heard of this.
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ding ding ding. openly saying we arent paying
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Jul 7, 2024, 9:35 PM
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is what leads to a sanders saying. well you arent in my top 5. sure you keep your morals but dont expect many of the top guys coming here from now on. and dont complain when the fan base gets restless with 9 and 8 win seasons on the horizon
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Re: ding ding ding. openly saying we arent paying
Jul 7, 2024, 11:19 PM
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Is there a link to some information that states we weren’t going to pay Sanders or any other recruit NIL funds?
I’ve seen some statements that they want it to be more than just money for Clemson recruits, but that’s a far cry from claiming there’s some kind of a coaching staff ban on NIL funds for recruits.
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Re: ding ding ding. openly saying we arent paying
Jul 9, 2024, 3:49 PM
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Dabo himself said “ I use NIL for retention not acquisition.”
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Re: NIL
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Jul 7, 2024, 10:45 PM
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So, if we are not going to use the NIL money to pay recruits or those in the portal, why does it matter how much NIL money we have?
I don't blame a HS PLAYER for going where he can get paid by another top team who can compete for a natty. And in the new CFP that is 12 teams and about 8 -10 of them will come from SEC and BIG.
JOSH PATE just did a ranking of the top 15 teams projected to be in the top 15 for the next 3 years. He ranked Clemson #14. FSU was ranked #6. Miami #13.
UGA#1
BAMA #2
Oregon #3
OSU #4
Texas #5
FSU #6.
ALL USE THE portal and all use nil to pay HS PLAYERS.
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Re: NIL
Jul 7, 2024, 11:22 PM
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Curious: Are these H.S. recruits/commitments already receiving money from a college collective? If so, what will happen if they flip?
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Re: NIL
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Jul 7, 2024, 11:05 PM
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I wouldn't exactly equate a free college education, extravagant meals, boarding, medical, and all the luxury items players already get ($60,000+) before NIL as "working for free."
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That canard has long since been debunked.
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Jul 9, 2024, 3:43 PM
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It's nowhere near fair market value, especially for elite football athletes.
So say the Supreme Court and other federal courts.
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Re: NIL
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Jul 8, 2024, 12:04 AM
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Every word of the OP is correct. You are preaching to a very small minority on this board that understands exactly what you’re saying while most on here want to ignore it and bury their heads in the sands bc they see it as immoral.
I actually saw a post earlier where a guy actually said he’d rather lose with Dabo doing the way we are than to win with somebody else that used NIL to acquire HS players or portal guys and others actually agreed with every word he said. I mean I honestly don’t even know how to respond to such as that.
Why is it immoral for these kids to get paid to play football? Just bc it’s college and for the past 100 years it’s been a certain way? It’s the most ridiculous thought process. It’s not immoral or unethical at all and it’s no different than anything we’ve done to get to where we were just 3/4 short years ago.
A lot of posters on this board actually believe that we haven’t played the dirty recruiting game like everybody has. We didn’t get to where we were/are by playing by the rules. If anyone honestly believes we haven’t done some back door stuff then you’re either in complete denial or you just aren’t being honest with yourself.
If this board knew about even half the stuff we’ve done to get guys over the years all these mentalities would be totally different. Dabo has most convinced that he is the second coming of JC himself and that he’s never done anything like that to get a player.
We were coming off a 6-7 season with a nobody HC in Dabo at the time and a bowl loss to South Florida and signed 4 5 star recruits and I believe what was a top 10ish class overall. Do people really believe we got those guys just bc Clemson is better than everywhere else? Stop lying to yourselves.
As I’ve said… if you’re cool with 8/9 wins a year and a bowl victory 2 out of every 3/4 years then yes in your eyes we’re going to be fine. If you still want to compete for national titles and go toe to toe with the big boys… then things must change and in a hurry. We have to start playing the game just like everybody else.
We have money and lots of it. Don’t fool yourselves. Nobody is saying get into every bidding war over every player you want. However if you want/need a 5 star QB/5 star WR/5 star RB then you’re going to have to open up the checkbook up front. That’s just the way it is now whether we like it or not.
If we’re not going to play that game then Clemson doesn’t need to be shelling out 11 mill a year for a head football coach. That is top dollar. When you pay top dollar… you expect top dollar results and 8/9/10 wins a year isn’t top dollar results. 8/9/10 wins a year are nice/solid seasons and that’s it. That’s nothing spectacular and certainly not worth 11 mill a year.
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Re: NIL
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Jul 8, 2024, 5:03 AM
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Go away with your whining about nil and the portal. Are y’all female? . Geez
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Re: NIL
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Jul 8, 2024, 5:09 AM
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Why isn't worth 11 million per year? Is the program a successful business?
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Absolutely correct!
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Jul 9, 2024, 3:46 PM
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And...the fans that cry "immoral" are gaslighting. What was immoral - and illegal - was the way the NCAA exploited athletes for profit for decades.
When they keep whining about it, they just look silly and out of touch.
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Re: NIL
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Jul 9, 2024, 3:52 PM
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Preach you hit the nail square in the head. Some just don’t get it and want high school kids to be slaves to the concept.
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Re: NIL
Jul 9, 2024, 8:22 PM
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You make a lot of allegations for which you have no proof.
Your opinions are just that. Did you hear these things in your chicken coop?
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YES! All of this!
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Jul 9, 2024, 8:39 PM
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Please post more!
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Re: NIL
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Jul 8, 2024, 12:07 AM
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Ummm. They have never played college football. Take a look at the pros, Einstein. They limit draft picks to caps bc... Well you know.
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There are no caps on pro NIL.
Jul 9, 2024, 3:47 PM
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State Farm and Patrick Mahomes say "hold my beer"
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Re: NIL
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Jul 9, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Not a good example when the teams pay a signing bonus to get around that. Sure all rookies have the same salaries but not compensated the same by the team. Especially when factoring in signing bonuses. NFL players are drafted according to their college resumes. The better the resume the better the signing bonus. This is no different no matter how you want to slice it.
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Re: NIL
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Jul 8, 2024, 9:55 AM
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Respectfully disagree.
"how many of you have worked for free to earn pay at a respectable company? "
How many companies are going to pay you one years salary in advance, with no guaranties you will even show up for work, or leave right after completing training.
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Now? Lots of them.
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Jul 9, 2024, 3:48 PM
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It's called a "signing bonus".
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Re: NIL
Jul 8, 2024, 10:00 AM
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I always thought the NIL was basically like deals with companies and such, not the actual school paying for their services. I know the school helps with that, but it's not like a NFL team signing them to a contract and paying them directly.
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Re: NIL
Jul 9, 2024, 3:58 PM
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While the concept you stated is true. I think we all know that the collectives will only be willing to direct the money towards the teams goals.
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Imagine what those recruits think when they visit his mansion....
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Jul 8, 2024, 10:03 AM
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...and he's like, don't worry about money there's more important things!
hahaha. A friend of mine sent me that.
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Your friend should read Dabo's story...
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Jul 8, 2024, 10:21 AM
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He is a shining example of coming from nothing and being rewarded for persistence and hard work. He has practiced what he preaches.
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Not everyones story is the same.
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Jul 8, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Are you suggesting that these athletes “wait their turn?”
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I'm clearly stating that...
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Jul 8, 2024, 3:03 PM
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historically, individuals are rewarded for performance, be it sports, academics, business, the military, etc... and that Dabo is no different. How should kids who are talented and have worked hard to this point in their lives feel when they see Dabo's house? I'd feel like Dabo is proof anything is possible if you continue to work hard.
Do you think differently?
It's interesting, people who have not built something do not understand what those who have had to go through to get where they are. Your friend seems to relate to negativity, I relate to positivity.
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Re: I'm clearly stating that...
Jul 8, 2024, 6:29 PM
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I will say this, my friend does relate more to negativity. He's really funny though.
I have built several businesses (some bad, some ok) and a beautiful home on the beach from the ground up in a foreign country so I understand what you mean.
I also know that Dabo stands for hard work and what you can achieve, but if the money is there, take it. This is Murca darn it!
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Re: Your friend should read Dabo's story...
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Jul 9, 2024, 5:15 PM
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How about these young men who play HS football a lot of them come from nothing
and by there persistence and hard work should not they be rewarded in same manner
as College coaches?
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We should be leveraging NIL in recruiting...
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Jul 8, 2024, 10:09 AM
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This philosophy of not utilizing it in recruiting is pushing top tier guys away, and giving other schools more fuel to negatively recruit against us.
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I worked for free for many years as a child and teen
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Jul 8, 2024, 10:19 AM
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then went to Clemson, no scholarships, and did a summer internship for minimum wage at a place with over 50 employees, where I was nominated for employee of the month. From there, I went on to be the youngest person in the state to hold my position, at age 23. It never occurred to me once to ask for something before I proved my worth.
If you don’t think people have to prove their worth, in football (I’ve coached it), business (I’ve owned multiple), life (I’ve lived it, not existed, but lived), and will still get paid, you are mistaken.
The reward is at the finish line, not the starting line.
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Re: I worked for free for many years as a child and teen
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You're right about the reward should come at the end. My fathercame back from WW2 and started working as a commisioned sales person. He saved his money, opened a hardware store and went broke while I was at Clemson and told me I was on my own.
He went back to work as a salesman, traveling the southeast with one bad annual result after another until his hard work was recognized and better companies recognized his abilities, efforts and results.
He retired very comfortably and when some of his peers said he was lucky to be where he was and how they could get there, his response was "Well, I found that the harder I worked the luckier I became".
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Re: I worked for free for many years as a child and teen
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That’s just it the top tier guys have proved their worth by excelling in high school football. It’s no different than you excelling at a young age and moving up as you went along.
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What's your 40 time?
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There aren't a lot of people on the planet who can do what the elite players can do and we pay a lot of money to watch them do it. I don't like schools getting into bidding wars for players either but if there wasn't value to what they do then really smart people wouldn't pay them to do it. The toothpaste is out of the tube we're not going back to time where these guys aren't getting paid so now we have to find a way to regulate it.
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Re: What's your 40 time?
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Jul 9, 2024, 8:03 PM
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It is a blatant violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act for the NCAA or any other 3rd party to interfere in a private business deal.
So says Tre Supreme Court in NCAA vs Alston and the federal judge in the State of Tennessee vs NCAA case.
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Re: NIL
Jul 8, 2024, 10:22 AM
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Do these NIL deals come with a contract that says the employee can be fired for poor performance, or is the money guaranteed?
If companies thought a high school education and performance were enough proof of capability to justify paying a high school graduate millions of dollars of salary then they would do so. I don’t see that happening around me. I think you’ve stretched the analogy beyond its limits.
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Curious - is it technically legal now to tell a recruit - "We're going to pay
Jul 8, 2024, 10:26 AM
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you $250,000 per year to come to Clemson." ?
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A bit humorous
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Jul 8, 2024, 10:31 AM
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The Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, William Perry, Reggie Bush level players have always received NIL money including at Clemson. Now it is legal, more abundant, and unregulated.
To compare Coach Swinney's hard work as a crappy walk-on player to 5-star superstar recruits is as irrelevant as comparing Swinney's well-earned current HC salary to a high school coach's salary.
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Re: NIL
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Jul 8, 2024, 11:02 AM
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Have you heard of revenue sharing coming to a University near you in 2025?
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Exactly right.
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Jul 9, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Some people resist change so much that they can't stand it that the old, exploitation of athletes is over.
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So I guess a scholarship is meaningless is this era of pro college football***
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Re: NIL
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Jul 9, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Work for free?? I would like to work for free when they have housing, food(nutrition program),clothing, health insurance, college fees, training, tudors, entertainment plus they receive a monthly stipend around $500 all untaxed. Sounds pretty good to me if I was 18yrs old. Opportunity to build on my skills and get education at no cost but creating the opportunity to earn even more money in the future.
The whole concept of student athletes has been totally lost. In this world of immediate satisfaction and expecting it to be given by people or by govt without actually working for it. Seems like there might be a term for that?
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The whole concept of exploiting college athletes has been totally lost.
Jul 9, 2024, 5:08 PM
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That is a VERY good thing.
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Re: NIL
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Jul 9, 2024, 5:21 PM
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The current rules allow a player to receive NIL money without playing a down of football. My understanding is a high school player can be a January enrollee at Clemson and enter the portal in April. This is a Wild West setup at its finest. I do not have a problem with revenue sharing. But something needs to change with the transfer portal.
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Portal change is not going to happen
Jul 9, 2024, 8:22 PM
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The NCAA agreed to a permanent consent order to keep things as is now. Thet did it to save themselves an estimated 1.4 BILLION dollars in damages if that case went to a jury.
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Its ludicrous, but to the Dabo cult it makes perfect sense.***
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