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Game Day Hero [4483]
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The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Y’all act like we are a basketball blue blood and are perennial ncaa final four contenders.
We are in the midst of one of the 10-15 best seasons in our history and all you can do is show up after losses to b;tc& about how brownell can’t coach.
Let me remind you all again. He wins games, he competes to get in the ncaa tourney most seasons, he took us to a sweet 16, he’s won TWICE in chapel hill, he graduates players, he keeps his teams out of trouble, he uses the portal, he recruits fairly well, and he finishes in the top half of the acc year in and out.
What do you want? Who do you think is coming to Clemson?
We are lucky to have Coach B. Listen to national pundits talk about him and they recognize how good of a coach he is.
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Game Day Hero [4167]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:04 PM
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No, you are part of the player hating crowd. The players deserve better and you take up for Brad instead of the players.
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National Champion [7317]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:06 PM
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This right here. It's all on the players, never Supreme leader Brownell
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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Paw Warrior [4614]
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Re: The players
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Mar 10, 2024, 1:06 PM
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The players loved Thomas Austin too. Guess what they now love Matt Luke and now recognize what they were missing. Coaches get fire all the time and players learn to move on. Players liking a coach has zero to do with how good of a head coach he is. Only Winning determines that and as I’ve said a million times YOU are the lunatic fringe.
If you polled the Clemson fan base it would be heavily weighted towards (pro move on from BB) probably like 90%.
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Oculus Spirit [40968]
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Please clarify:
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:06 PM
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“he competes to get in the ncaa tourney most seasons”
I guess you’re saying he’s close but not quite in most seasons? 3 out of 13 thus far really isn’t that good. Let’s just be honest.
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Re: Please clarify:
Mar 10, 2024, 10:40 AM
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Uh, that’s 23% of all the times we made it the NCAA Tournament in 100 + years
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TigerNet Legend [147958]
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There was no NCAA Tournament or NIT prior to 1938.
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Mar 10, 2024, 11:50 AM
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so we could not make either tournament in our first 25+ years.
Brad Brownell:
23% of our appearances
16% of years coached from 1938-2023
Oliver Purnell
23% of our appearances
8% of years coached from 1938-2023
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Paw Warrior [4614]
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Re: Please clarify:
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Mar 10, 2024, 1:08 PM
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That is so pathetic to use our history as a testament he’s a great coach. Our history is trash. We all know it is but we also want us to become a more consistent NCAA tournament team.
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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Dumb post.
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:06 PM
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First off, that sweet 16 only happened once during his 14 year tenure here. Second, even though he won in Chapel Hill twice, he only has a 14% winning percentage against them. Third, we've only finished in the top half of the ACC 7/14 years. Not to mention how he's extremely dirty, pushing his players on the court, verbally abusing them during practice, and using profanity consistently in games. We don't expect to make it to the final four every year, we just want a coach that can consistently win, unlike Brad.
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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Correction... 25% winning percentage in Chapel Hill
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:10 PM
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22% winning percentage against them home and away. Which is still horrible.
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Paw Master [16128]
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You think Rick Barnes was a HoF coach when we hired him???***
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Dynasty Maker [3150]
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This is a really dumb post
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Mar 10, 2024, 11:10 AM
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Check yourself. Prior to his arrival, Clemson had 11 20-win seasons. In 14 years, Coach BroWnell has six 20-win seasons and only one losing season. Unheard of at Clemson. If you hate Clemson basketball, just don’t watch. We don’t need you.
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Game Changer [1848]
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Re: This is a really dumb post
Mar 10, 2024, 11:45 AM
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“We” lol…you coaching with little brownie??? Maybe that’s the problem Cobb and JK are Brownie’s mist trusted advisors. Would explain a lot!!!
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Rival Killer [2721]
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Re: This is a really dumb post
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This is a biased statistic considering the number of games played is not the same across the history of Clemson basketball and you are not adjusting for the out-of-conference schedule in a given year. It's still noteworthy... biased, but noteworthy.
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Paw Warrior [4614]
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Re: This is a really dumb post
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What’s the goal for the team each year? Just get 20 wins and be happy. Yeah that’ll really increase fan support. Geeze y’all all a bunch of Tommy Bowden lovers. Bet y’all hated the Bowden fire. I can almost guarantee it.
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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That also means 8 seasons of less than 20 wins
Mar 10, 2024, 2:48 PM
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Stop distorting the facts.
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Ring of Honor [22183]
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Re: Dumb post.
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Mar 10, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Fourth, we have 1 AP Final Poll Top 35 finish in the last 13 seasons...
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98452]
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Asking..Any ACC Championships, any top 4 NCAA finishes
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any final 2 tournaments, or heavens forbid a Natty game?
Nope and we are satisfied with our past in MBB.
Glad FB program didn’t feel that way or Hatfield or Bowden could still be here and not Dabo.
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Clemson Icon [24120]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:06 PM
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absolutely, need to give him a lifetime contract. He has maintained that average basketball at Clemson.
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National Champion [7885]
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:07 PM
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And the best he can do is finish 6th in the ACC - an ACC ranked in the toilet of NCAA conference rankings.
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All-Time Great [92723]
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With his best team ever.***
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Orange Immortal [68562]
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Nobody if you aren't out looking***
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Valley Protector [1417]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:11 PM
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Y’all act like we are a basketball blue blood and are perennial ncaa final four contenders.
We are in the midst of one of the 10-15 best seasons in our history and all you can do is show up after losses to b;tc& about how brownell can’t coach.
Let me remind you all again. He wins games, he competes to get in the ncaa tourney most seasons, he took us to a sweet 16, he’s won TWICE in chapel hill, he graduates players, he keeps his teams out of trouble, he uses the portal, he recruits fairly well, and he finishes in the top half of the acc year in and out.
What do you want? Who do you think is coming to Clemson?
We are lucky to have Coach B. Listen to national pundits talk about him and they recognize how good of a coach he is.
I am glad you like to be average
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Offensive Star [333]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
Mar 10, 2024, 10:48 AM
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Translation: Everyone just needs to lower their expectations and the team will overachieve…nice!
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Top TigerNet [30611]
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what the shid are you smoking??
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brad sux huuugggeee bags of d###s.
3 out of 13 is beyond bs. brad is the worst coach in the acc and has been for years.
go to bed honey
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Hall of Famer [8143]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:14 PM
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You are the problem
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CU Medallion [19325]
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Please
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:27 PM
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Exhibit A of why we cannot have nice things.
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Game Changer [1848]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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You Brownell supporters kill me!!!! I think 14 YEARS of mediocre coaching, at best, is enough. It has been time for a change for several years!!!
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All-Time Great [92723]
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You lost me at most seasons.
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Paw Master [17512]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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This is a parade of lies, strawmen, and logical fallacies. If you are a fan, we don’t need you if you place this little value on the program.
“ Y’all act like we are a basketball blue blood and are perennial ncaa final four contenders.”. NO ONE is acting like this. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. Rhetorically it’s a straw man argument forcing anyone to waste time answering. You know it isn’t true so that makes you a liar.
“ We are in the midst of one of the 10-15 best seasons in our history”. This is arguably true but highly deceptive. Brad is our longest tenured coach. By most metrics this is his second best team. But this was supposed to be his best. And you’re going to call his likely 6th place seed in the ACC tourney a triumph? This game had consequence and he fumbled it - which is his norm. History didn’t win this game. Wake Forest has been struggling for nearly two decades. Brad has an overwhelmingly lopsided record against them. But somehow Steve Forbes in his 4th season and a team with 2 seniors beat our team with 7 seniors. I’m not sure how you truly judge this season until the post season plays out. And anything less than advancing in the NCAA tourney just ranks as one of the countless disappointing seasons in our history, which for some reason we feel the need to pay him more than Tony Bennett (base salary) or Hubert Davis.
“ Let me remind you all again. He wins games, he competes to get in the ncaa tourney most seasons, he took us to a sweet 16, he’s won TWICE in chapel hill, he graduates players, he keeps his teams out of trouble, he uses the portal, he recruits fairly well, and he finishes in the top half of the acc year in and out.”. What do you think this word salad actually means? He “competes” to make the ncaa tourney? By what standard. 4 in 14 seasons? There is not a single coach in P5 tenured 10 years or more with less success making the tourney. Uses the portal? Who GAF? He recruits fairly well? On what planet. And he runs most of the recruits off as he desperately uses the portal to be just good enough to keep his job.
“Who do you think is coming to Clemson?” Pure red herring fallacy. But to indulge it, Clemson’s standing in the sports world is unrelated to where it was when Brownell was hired. This is a senseless argument that betrays a complete lack of faith in the school you claim to support. Shameful.
“We are lucky to have Coach B. Listen to national pundits talk about him and they recognize how good of a coach he is.” Appeal to authority nonsense. And not even reputable ones. Literal ACC shills say nice things about EVERY SINGLE COACH in the conference.
Your attitudes are regressive and ruinous to those of us who wish to see better. Since you clearly do not care about actual performance just get out of the way.
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Paw Warrior [4614]
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Mar 10, 2024, 1:19 PM
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Couldn’t have said it better myself
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Orange Blooded [4083]
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One of the 10-15 best seasons in our history is not a lot to brag about
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Mar 9, 2024, 9:31 PM
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over a 14-season tenure.
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Paw Master [17512]
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Re: One of the 10-15 best seasons in our history is not a lot to brag about
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Brad has coached 140 more games than Cliff Ellis and 222 more games than Oliver Purnell but has, to date, been to the same number of NCAA tourneys. Pathetic.
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National Champion [7925]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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LOL. Clemson a blue blood in basketball LOL
Nobody with a single brain cell in their head thinks Clemson is a blue blood.
However, 14 whole years with 2 NCAA tourney wins is abysmal by any account. With this teams talent and players, finishing 11-9 is a bad season. Yippy we beat UNC in Chapel Hill. I’ll trade that win every day for wins tonight and last Saturday for that 4th seed.
Clemson basketball under BB has not been a success, far from it!!!
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Tiger Titan [47998]
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When Brad was hired, we had not won an NCAA Tournament in 14 years..
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We had won 3 NCAA Tournament games in the 30 years before he got here.
He’s doing way better than our history.
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Clemson Sports Icon [52606]
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His first NCAAT
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Mar 9, 2024, 10:42 PM
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Was with Purnell's players though.
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Paw Master [17512]
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Re: His first NCAAT
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Mar 9, 2024, 10:48 PM
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And he only got the win by playing in the inaugural First Four. He likely doesn’t make the tourney with out this expansion and the win is comparable to nothing prior.
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Paw Master [17512]
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Re: When Brad was hired, we had not won an NCAA Tournament in 14 year
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Fallacy by omission. This is only one aspect of our “history”. His percentage making the tournament is significantly lower than that of his immediate predecessor. His lone victory in 2011 is not comparable to any of his predecessors since it never existed before. That fact that he even played in that game was a demonstrable regression. His two meaningful wins didn’t come until season 8. His predecessor did not coach an 8th season. The only other coach in the 64 team era to even coach 8 seasons made the Sweet Sixteen in his 6th. As usual you present incomplete, misleading information with an agenda. And it isn’t the betterment of Clemson basketball.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Valley Protector [1417]
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Re: When Brad was hired, we had not won an NCAA Tournament in 14 years..
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We had won 3 NCAA Tournament games in the 30 years before he got here.
He’s doing way better than our history.
Please quit the rah rah Brad, the man has not done anything outstanding
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Redshirt [95]
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In my 40+ years of watching Tiger basketball, BrownL is better than 1 coach...Shyatt. Ellis ran out of steam. Barnes steamed it up with a coed. And Purnell left steaming. But each of them accomplished more on the court, recruited better and coached exciting basketball.
BrownL has been a snoozefest of grinder defensive basketball with a narcoleptic offense. Has constantly missed out on an expanded tournament. Can't recruit. And can't compete in a weaker ACC than his predecessors. For 14 years he's been mediocre by any ACC standard.
No one thinks we're a blue bloods. But our history before BrownL is better than our present with him.
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Game Day Hero [4475]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 10, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Shyatt was a better coach.
He couldn't recruit.
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Ring of Honor [22418]
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Hall jacking 3s all night tells you all you need to know about Brownell.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Bwahahahahaha! That’s hilarious! Lucky to have a career 61% winner?! You’re delusional. A man who’s only sniffed post season six times?! UNLV, Georgetown, Dayton, St. John’s, Villanova, and a laundry list of tiny schools have built powerhouse programs from time to time. Is it not reasonable to ask that we invest in basketball like we do other sports?! Basketball pays almost as good as football when done right. Why NOT at Clemson?! Sick of people cheering mediocrity
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Tiger Titan [47998]
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Youre exactly right, but youre dealing with the Derp Crew here.
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They don’t understand basketball, and they believe we should be a top team in the ACC every year despite a poor basketball history and subpar support for basketball.
They are delusional and I’ve decided that there is no point trying to educate them.
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Paw Master [17512]
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Re: Youre exactly right, but youre dealing with the Derp Crew here.
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Valley Legend [12488]
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Re: Youre exactly right, but youre dealing with the Derp Crew here.
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Bwahahahaha! Holy crap! It’s so hard NOT to attack your intelligence. I’ve done coaching statistical analysis of the Brads career. It’s garbage. He’s won three conference championships. In tiny school land. He’s seen post season play only on tv more than he’s experienced it as a coach. Oliver Purnell did more in a MUCH shorter time. Stats don’t lie. Judge Keller is rolling in his grave knowing you’re parading his name around as Brads personal fluffer.
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Valley Protector [1417]
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Re: Youre exactly right, but youre dealing with the Derp Crew here.
Mar 9, 2024, 10:52 PM
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They don’t understand basketball, and they believe we should be a top team in the ACC every year despite a poor basketball history and subpar support for basketball.
They are delusional and I’ve decided that there is no point trying to educate them.
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Valley Protector [1417]
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Re: Youre exactly right, but youre dealing with the Derp Crew here.
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They don’t understand basketball, and they believe we should be a top team in the ACC every year despite a poor basketball history and subpar support for basketball.
They are delusional and I’ve decided that there is no point trying to educate them.
So then please quit posting, we would all be happier if you never posted again
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Oculus Spirit [40968]
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Game Changer [1847]
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This post sounds like the Emperors new clothes
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Mar 9, 2024, 10:54 PM
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Good thing most people aren’t fooled …
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Game Day Hero [4475]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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You are a ####### idiot.
If this is one of Brownell's best teams ever, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
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Heisman Winner [78866]
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You gonna rage before you cry, old man?
Mar 10, 2024, 1:26 PM
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😂
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Rival Killer [2721]
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Same type poast that supported Tommy Bowden***
Mar 10, 2024, 10:51 AM
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The Lunatic Fringe
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Never disappoints. Always hating. Never giving the opposition any credit. To crazed with hate to realize Coach BroWnell is one of the best coaches in America. Ignore them. The only thing they know how to do is sniff football jocks.
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Rival Killer [2721]
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It's the majority, and they hate losing. Unlike you, who rationalize it***
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Game Changer [1994]
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One of the best coaches in America …. Hahahahahahahahsshahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahha holy moly , dude … I’m speechless 😆
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All-TigerNet [5691]
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Did you just say Brad is one of the best coaches in America?
Mar 10, 2024, 2:51 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11947]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
Mar 10, 2024, 12:32 PM
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"Brownell hating crowed" is a huge straw man, especially if you consider maybe only one or two people our of many thousands have even used that word hate when referring to Brownell. I think the vast vast majority like Brad a lot, they just don't think he is a very good coach. That is a world of difference than "hating" someone. Why don't you tone down the rhetoric and say something like the "crowd that wants Brownell fired kills me" and then state your case why he is so good.
PS: I like Brad a lot and hope he stays at Clemson and is extremely successful, although his history shows that he is probably mediocre at best or he is pretty good and that Clemson will never be a basketball powerhouse ...... which I don't buy.
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Paw Warrior [4614]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 10, 2024, 12:33 PM
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Hahahaha so because we are a few games batter than our average means we should celebrate these 14 years of mediocrity?
Our history in football was mediocre until Dabo showed up. No we are not a Blue blood in football. All it takes is the one right hire and everything can change. Look at SC. They look way more impressive than we do in basketball this season outside of losing to us. That’s all we can brag about over them. They are clearly better coached and are not more talented and it’s not even that close.
No I don’t accept mediocrity in any of the BIG 3 sports. I don’t care what our history says. I know one thing. I enjoyed OP ball way more than BB ball.
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Trainer [-99]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
Mar 10, 2024, 12:37 PM
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You are a low standard, mediocre-loving loser. Just like Brownell.
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Commissioner [1218]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
Mar 10, 2024, 1:21 PM
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Not being fully sold on him doesn’t equal hate. There are plenty of positions in between.
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Walk-On [127]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
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Mar 10, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Totally agree, i'm very happy with what Brad is doing and I'm fine with making the tournament every few years. Bball is just a sport to get me thru winter. Then baseball.
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Walk-On [137]
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Re: The brownell hating crowd kills me
Mar 11, 2024, 5:26 AM
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I agree with this post.
The difference in talent alone, probably costs us four or five games a year. My opinion of course.
Only thing I don’t prefer is the dependence on the three.
The team is usually “up” for games, and plays with unmistakable Clemson heart and class.
Go Tigers!
The grass is always greener. Be careful what you wish for.
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