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Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:51 PM
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Pick any great offensive mind you like, anyone at all, and have Dabo hire them to be the new OC at Clemson.
They’re all going to be handed the same 10 page “Clemson offense” by Dabo, and have his same over-engagement in gameday play calling, and the offense will look exactly the same way it has for 5 years.
You’ll see the same unblocked WR screens.
The same general absence of throws to the middle of the field.
The same trend of randomly moving away from whatever is working in a game.
The same lack of meaningful halftime adjustments
The same requirement of a QB who can make NFL speed progressions and who makes near-perfect RPO zone reads every time.
It will look exactly the same way no matter who you bring in, unless it’s someone with the credibility and the stones to tell Dabo to sit down, be quiet and stay out of their offense, and 2024 Dabo isn’t hiring that guy anyway.
Now I’m not even saying he’s the solution, but Jeff Scott may…may be the only guy with the history, trust, and relationship with Dabo required to be allowed to truly take the reins of the offense, and he sure doesn’t seem to be in any hurry to come back.
Just remember though, when you’re griping about Riley and ignoring Dabo, you’re criticizing a guy who is coaching with one arm tied behind his back.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Yep. Dabo is to Clemson what Jerry Jones is to the Dallas Cowboys.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:54 PM
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Except Jerry Jones funds the cowboys and we fund Dabo and his foolery
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:50 PM
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Amen brutha
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:05 PM
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The staff responsible for that success is gone, so yeah it's Dabo.
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We don't have any offensive stars . .
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Nov 30, 2024, 9:01 PM
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we do have a few that are offensive  Seriously, you need some stars are the important places.
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Post of the week.***
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Solid Orange [1385]
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im hoping he finds that cliff
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:55 PM
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where he realizes he has to step back from controlling the offense and buys a guy he can trust and hold accountable: a Venerables (unquestionable credibility).
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Rival Killer [2691]
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Re: im hoping he finds that cliff
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:47 PM
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Except...BV's last two years, Dabo was constantly yapping in the defensive huddle on the sidelines before big plays.
More than once I saw that, and noticed Venables looking like "what are you doing in my huddle?"
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Solid Orange [1385]
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Cant confirm but believe he likes to meddle.
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:09 PM
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But when he dumped Steele — a dude with a legit resume — he went out and wanted to find something better. There was a fire in him to fix something that was undeniable. I know he’ll fix something he doesn’t like. I am just not sure if he likes what he’s seeing on Offense.
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Then he needs to fire himself from meddling.***
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 6:56 PM
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Then save the $$ and let Dabo call the plays. No hiding from that though……
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:19 PM
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I appreciate your candor. Now be prepared to be called a "coot" at least 20 times.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Dec 1, 2024, 5:32 PM
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If three of the plays where executed right between Cade & the WR’s yesterday. We win by 3 scores easily.
Cade shouldn’t have threw a ball behind a RB with a bad shoulder. Throw it away.
The plan wasn’t the problem yesterday for sure.
The refs called a horrible game again too!
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:23 PM
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The whole thing is weird considering he obviously wasn’t bullying Chad Morris when he was here and really brought this “Clemson offense”.
Dabo has regressed as a coach as he ages? That seems weird too. But possible.
You’d think he would be smart enough to stay out of the way.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:33 PM
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Not sure if regressed is the right word. More like others have passed him by. You can’t do the same thing for 10 years and not expect other teams to pass you eventually. As a great movie once said, “If you ain’t living, you’re dying”
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Dec 1, 2024, 11:52 AM
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I love the offense GT runs. Reminds me alot of how we used Tajh
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Dec 1, 2024, 8:41 PM
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Well pull for them COOT.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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You hit the nail on the head. Chad Morris would not let Dabo run his offense. He was just as stubborn as Dabo. That is the reason he never brought Chad back when he became available as he wanted to meddle in the offense. Dabo can not be a successful OC or DC. His skill in the past has been to hire great ones but because he wants to meddle he hires someone he can overun
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Why would Dabo let Chad Morris (relatively inexperienced at the time) come in and completely revamp the offense to a hurry up system that was rarely implemented at the time then decide a few years later that he was just going to do it his way?
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:36 PM
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Dabo took what he learned from the Chad and made his own offensive with it. It’s why he only hired insiders until Riley. It’s Dabo’s offense that has been adapted by Scott, Elliott, Streeter, and Riley. Watch the 2022 Scar game and today’s. You will see the same plays just different players and OC.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Nov 30, 2024, 7:48 PM
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Lol
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Nov 30, 2024, 7:26 PM
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Chad Morris had a different offense if I recall. It's been so long though.
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Dabo tossed Chads hurry-up and the jet sweeps he loved so much.***
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:28 PM
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This the one right here Obed.
Every single word is spot on but you can’t make the pumpers here understand that.
It truly doesn’t matter who we hire as OC… as you said… as long as Dabo is doing the hiring… the poor guy will be calling plays with one arm tied behind his back.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:51 PM
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If Cade Klubnik is throwing 95 mph fastballs on 5 yard passes, is it going to matter what offensive coordinator is here?
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:22 PM
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It sure as #### will if you adjust your play calling to the strengths of your players or weaknesses of the opposition.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Dec 1, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Okay, so tell me what the strengths of our players are. And then tell me How the skill sets that are players actually do possess are going to Work to attack the opponent's weaknesses.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:29 PM
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When Dabo first said Riley was here to run the "Clemson offense" I wondered why he just didm't keep Streeter since nothing would basically change from the previous several years. Basically tossed $2 mil per year.
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Something must have happened with Dabo and Streeter. I never heard Dabo mention his name ever again. Considering Streeter was a former player that seemed odd.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:40 PM
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Streeter also wasn’t doing post game interviews after mid season. Dabo had Richardson doing them. Streeter probably spoke some truth and Dabo discarded him when he didn’t kiss the ring.
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Those are assertions...
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:33 PM
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but the honest answer is we don't know how involved Dabo is with the playcalling/offensive gameplan.
I don't think a rising start like Riley comes if he's not promised to have free reign over the offense. I also don't think you pay a guy 2 mil or so a year and not have him run the offense.
I also think Dabo would have be 'interfering' during our offensive explosion phase(2012 or so to 2020) just as much or more and we didn't always have an NFL day 1 QB then.
But, like your post, those are just guesses as to what's going on.
The offense HAS looked largely the same, but is that because of the team strength/weaknesses or is it because Dabo is interfering or some other reason? We just don't know.
We're ALL frustrated with the offense the past 4 or so years... but the constant drumbeat of 'Dabo is interfering with the offense' when we just have no idea is getting a bit tiresome.
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Re: Those are assertions...
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And that proves what?
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Dec 1, 2024, 3:00 AM
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Did Riley have one? At the same time? Even if he did, wouldn't prove if they were talking to each other or what they were saying if they were. And why would Dabo need a walkie talkie to talk to Riley when they stand next to each other on the sideline?
You're making a lot of assumptions and treating them as facts to fit your anti Dabo agenda and get amens from your cult following. And you and JK have the names of Clemson legends for user names to preach your "sermons", smh. Why didn't you just use JimJones®?
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Re: Those are assertions...
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Some of these people can't handle truth bombs.
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In regard to this photo, speicifically-
Dec 1, 2024, 5:23 PM
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We were told that is Dabo communicating to Cade. We know that is available up to 15 seconds before the snap.
What we don't know is what was said.
I also personally do not know what other position coaches also are privy to that channel, but in theory if a play is being changed in the QB headset that's a lot of position groups (if it's only HC and OC with the Walkie) for Cade to get re-scripted in a hurry.
Man I'd like to have a drop on that line like over in the Big 12, LOL.
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Re: Those are assertions...
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Yes we do know. Dabo has been HEAVILY involved in the offensive play calling since his first year. You can watch any game any time and you will see he is constantly scanning his play sheet(even though he only calls like 3 of the plays off it). No way Riley would constantly call 2-3 yard runs plays with a clearly injured and timid Mafah. Especially given Cade was carving them up through the air.
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Again... you don't KNOW...
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you suspect.
He's been asked about the sheet, it's a 'scenario' sheet that says when to go for two, when to kick, when to punt/go for it on fourth down etc... was the official answer.
You can say he's lying, but that's the official answer and we have pictures of him with the sheet even back when Morris was the OC.
But let's take your claim at face value; he's been 'heavily involved' (whatever that may mean) in our offense then we must account for him doing that during our offensive juggernaut years. He can't be responsible for our offense looking like the Three Stooges recently but not give him credit for being all-World level for 7 or so years.
So even that doesn't account for all the data.
This whole 'Dabo is controlling the offense and that's why it's so bad' theory reminds me of an HL Menken quote; For every complex problem there is a solution which is clear, simple and wrong.
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Dude. You can watch the games. You can examine the
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Playcalling. He jumped in far more heavily when Jeff Scott jumped out. That’s when the total homogeneity began and it remains incredibly similar to this day.
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I tend to agree with you...
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:54 PM
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that the offense has looked similar in scheme the past four years.
What I'm saying is that we don't KNOW why that is.
We can guess, we can suggest an inference to the best explanation, we can try to eliminate specious reasons.
All this is well and good.
But Jason Priester (from Clemson Insider) has said it's Riley's offense, full stop. Dabo has said much the same thing while acknowledging that as the HC he's 'involved' with every facet of the program (as he should be).
So... either Dabo and Jason are lying and a red hot up and coming OC came in here and is running an offense that is actively damaging his reputation... or there's some other reason the offense has looked the same.
I'm just saying we don't, and likely never really will, 'know'.
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Ok, whats more likely to you:
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We agree that Riley’s offense looks remarkably like Streeter and Elliott’s offense and didn’t before.
What’s more likely and reasonable:
1) Riley totally and coincidentally and without Dabo’s overt influence changed his offense to what we had before even though his boss hired him because what we had before wasn’t working?
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2) Riley totally changed his offense to mirror what we had before because of Dabo’s overt influence and he’s doing exactly what his boss asked?
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or...
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3) Riley was given control, came in and evaluated the personnel and determined what the best offense was to run given their limitations and skill sets and figured running similar 'schemes' and gradually transitioning over to what he wanted to do would be best?
If your offensive line can't block, there are just some schemes/plays that you can't run no matter how much you want because you can't protect that long. And we all know the O-line has long been an issue around here.
If you don't have the wideouts (which we've been woefully short on until this year)... same thing.
We're currently in the top 10 in offense this year (for YPG at least) so that does show improvement (of course, just in time for the defense to fall off but that's another issue)... and if you're going to ding Dabo for 'interfering' when we're bad it's only fair to credit him when we do better.
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Lets circle back to my baseline.
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I’m not for firing Riley or Dabo. The whole point of my post was for those who want Riley on the first train out of town and then treat Dabo as if he’s completely independent from the workings of our offense.
With that said, it’s easy and not unusual in the least for me to agree that our offense has looked better this year. With that said, it has looked better against the weakest slate of opponents I can remember in my memory, and did not look impressive at all when we encountered teams with decent talent and coaching, so I don’t think this seasons stats are exactly a mic drop either.
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I agree with all of that...
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and have been grinding my teeth about the offense since 2020 to be honest (you could see the cracks but Trevor and Travis got us out of a lot of scrapes).
I would love to sit down with Dabo and some sodium pentothol and just ask 'Okay for real, what's going on with the offense the past 4 years?'
Casting our eyes forward; I think Matt Luke was a huge hire and you can see the improvement on the o-line this year despite all the injuries. I think we need to replace some of our position coaches on the offense, if for no other reason than to get some new 'voices' in the room that the players may react differently to.
But if I never see another WR screen it will STILL be too soon.
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Did the sheet tell us to kick the XP instead of going for two to make it an 11
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point game VS Louisville?
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Re: Those are assertions...
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All I know is that the play calling has changed since the first quarter of the FSU game. Since then we have been playing not to mess up. If Dabo is not involved in the play calling it is high time that he started. If he is involved in the play calling then it is high time that he stopped.
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Surely you dont walk around free of opinions,
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Never daring to make an inference based on available data?
Tell me, is it your opinion that it’s likely that when Dabo says “the Clemson offense” he means that the OC’s are free to call them as they see fit and it’s pure dumb luck that three guys in a row have basically been calling the same game most weeks?
I’m just trying to understand what you consider reasonable. That would be rotten luck if Dabo brings in three different guys and turns them loose and gets the same system each time. Almost buy a lotto ticket level luck. Also would be weird in that case that he was getting subpar results from guys he trusted the keys to the kingdom to and offered them no input as they produced mediocrity, instead just feeling helpless and wringing his hands while staying out of it.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Nov 30, 2024, 7:34 PM
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My question... why would any oc like riley, who was incredibly sought after a few years ago, come to clemson if they knew what was gonna happen? Just for the money? Or are you saying the new hire doesn't understand how it's gonna go until they've already signed on the dotted line?
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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I’m saying it’s both.
2 mill a year and the highest paid OC in the country? That’s a nice add to the resume and a great boost to the ego.
Then he gets here and reality sets in that Dabo controls every thing down to what uniforms we’re going to wear.
But at the end of the day you’re the highest paid OC in America and banking 2 mill a year without the pressure of a HC job.
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Considering Neff doesn't have the balls to can Dabo
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I'm fine with just getting rid of Riley.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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It seems like he has both arms tied behind his back at times.
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Yea, Dabo loves to lose. I don't blame him for
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Consciously trying to sabagote our making the playoffs.
Just a super intuitive take.
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Yous a sabagote!!***
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Yep I’ve been saying this all year. How else do you explain the same inept offense with three different OCs. But every year it’s “fire the OC”. Well we did that and guess what? Nothing changed.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Pumpers will keep blaming the OC(whoever it is at the time) because the alternative would be to admit that their king Dabo might be screwing up and they can’t have that. Dabo won two national championships so now he doesn’t make mistakes in their eyes.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Nov 30, 2024, 7:54 PM
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It's painful to watch when we are in Dabo run up the middle mode which was very much in effect when Shipley was here too. Throw in the wrong screens and I can't tell what is new at all about our offense under Riley. Dabo has been heavily involved in the offensive play calling since he became head coach. You can watch video all the way back to his first year and the play sheet is always in hand. No way Riley would be continually taking two yards with Mafah when our.passong game was killing it. Cade was also running a lot better than Mafa. It really is painful to watch.
We do the same thing against SMU(and I have to believe we will) and good chance we lose.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Nov 30, 2024, 8:02 PM
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Yes
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Nov 30, 2024, 8:38 PM
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Lets assume what you're saying is true. That Dabo is over the top controlling his OC. Then that is even more reason Riley needs to go. For not having the kahuna's by putting up with it.
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Ive said that as well and dont disagree.
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Shame on Riley for not being more protective of his system and his reputation, although I have trouble begrudging a young guy not wanting to lose a $2M a year gig. But yes, I generally agree with that.
I still stand by what I said. For better or worse (and this is a separate argument I’m not getting into), Dabo believes his system flat out works and that he’s never failed at anything. Do youthink he’s out looking for crazy strong personalities looking to tell him things he doesn’t want to hear and change his system? He sure doesn’t hire that way generally. Feels like BV was the last hire he made in that mold, and I think it was easier because Dabo considers himself more of an offensive expert than defensive.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Nov 30, 2024, 8:41 PM
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I think Jeff has made it pretty clear he is done with football and has moved on. We probably should too.
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I dont recall lobbying for him to come back in my post,
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Nov 30, 2024, 8:47 PM
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But I would agree with what you said, although I’d put a “for now”at the end of it. He’s wanting to be present for the kid’s formative years. Those years don’t last forever.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Couldn’t agree more with all of this … if you can watch the offense from the Morris days and deny that when he left it has been the exact same (minus generational talent that made a lot of the play calling look way better than it was) over the last few coordinators then you have your head in the sand… I was bored after the uga loss and went back on YouTube and watched quick replay games of most all of Riley’s games at smu for two years and tcu and the formations, schemes, etc are nothing like he ran there… there’s no way to watch those highlights and tell me there’s a resemblance of what we are doing the last two years. We aren’t playing uga every #### weekend we should be able to scheme points and move the ball against these teams will have a lot more talent than.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Agree but I’d substitute Jeff Scott for Chad in your observation. Morris pretty much memorized Malzahn’s offense and when opposing DC’s learned his tendencies, he had nowhere to go to change it up.
Jeff’s offenses attacked the middle of the field much more, utilized the TE’s a lot more effectively and creatively, and attacked the edges a more in the run game.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Dec 1, 2024, 9:13 AM
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So Tony Elliot gets no credit all Jeff Scott good grief!
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Re: A HC job is to formulate a gameplan..
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Giving the team the best chance to win. Sometimes it's not offensive firepower and he has to veto situations as the OC is single minded by nature. Heck, Saban did this all the time..even speaks about it in books, as does Lane Kiffin about what Saban would do.
I just don't believe l, despite Dabo's comments, that he reigns the OC in. Besides, we were like too 10 this year.
It's a fun thing to talk about when we don't score points or things don't go the way you want them to go.
Jeff Scott is a heck of a position coach and was a very successful co- oc during his time, but he has a whole heck of a lot to lose by taking that position again.. we've put him on a pedestal and he knows he doesn't have DeShaun Watson sitting back there.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Fire Dabo. You think Riley the one going sooo conservative??
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You yap a lot, old man***
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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You are an idiot. Like you know Dabo is calling plays. lol
Blah blah blah
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Well here’s the truth. We don’t have athletes like the championship teams. Get over it We could but we ain’t buying. Remember this college football as we know it is over. Either enjoy what we got or get the hel! Off the hill. It will never be the same. Conservative football is gone. High schoolers today want wide open pro offenses
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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I can't disagree with that assessment. The stupid "trick play" that backfired on us yesterday was exhibit A in why Dabo should NEVER be allowed to call the offense again.
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If that plays works, we aren't having this convo.
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Dec 1, 2024, 9:53 AM
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Who's to say that wasn't a "Riley call" vs. a "Dabo call?"
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:27 AM
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Spot on Obed. I've lost the patience to spend the time to write something like that here just for it to end up on page two in quick order.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Great great post and that is the truth doesn't matter as long as Dabo is here.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:52 AM
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The hard truth is you don’t know jack! IMO it is more reasonable to think Riley wasn’t the sole play caller at TCU. Sonny Dykes was. If Dabo made a mistake it was hiring another guy with no experience calling plays.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Think about it... slowly. Your opinion still fits the OP's narrative.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Dec 1, 2024, 9:10 AM
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THANK YOU! IVE BEEN SAYING THAT DABO WAS HOLDING HIM BACK SINCE LAST SEASON!!
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This is 100% right.***
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Oh man, deep down I don't want this to be true...but the facts are pretty well laid out there.
Would be nice to just hear it straight "Yeah, I write the playbook and OC makes the calls from the menu".
IF Riley has the pedigree/talent/opportunity, I would imagine he would not stay in that position longer than professionally necessary. I think if all that is true, that's a pretty tough job to want to stay in and/or take on.
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I don't want to fire GR.
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Dec 1, 2024, 5:36 PM
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I want to promote him.
Until yesterday, I repeatedly said that I wanted Dabo to adapt.
No mas. It's time for him to retire and let a younger coach with better ideas take over.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the
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Obed MAY be correct here.
But what we do know is that his post, while well reasoned and thought out is in fact, only “a truth” to him. It is not a fact. It’s his supposition based on a filling in the blanks from what he sees on the TV or from the stand.
Remember just a several weeks ago it was clear that Dabo had stopped meddling and let Riley call the plays while putting up 40+ ppg.
I think the only facts are that when we play better teams we score less points and that ALL HC get involved. It’s their right.
Also it seems reasonable to conclude that when we don’t score a lot of points the shots of “meddling” grow louder than when we do score at will. These come as a shock I’m sure
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It’s a shame that such a well thought out comment is going to be drowned out by all the arm chair analysts here
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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This will all come out and Dabo will tell us. If he fires Riley, it means he was not micrmanaging the play calling. If he keeps him, he was all up in Riley's business. I say this because Riley is not wired to just getting fired without spilling the beans and Dabo knows this. If he fired Riley and Riley took the mic and said, no one can be successful here as OC because the headcoach forces his input Swinney would be finished. Swinney is not dumb. This question is going to answer itself in time.
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I have to assume they sign pretty iron-clad NDAs
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:04 PM
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About their time in Tigertown. Maybe they don’t, but I’d be shocked if they didn’t.
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yea, you're an idiot
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Dec 1, 2024, 7:42 PM
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just another "need self-gratification now" snowflake.
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Yawn.
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Dec 1, 2024, 8:02 PM
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“Self-gratification now”. Like “fire Riley!” lol. Sorry to disturb your cult of personality.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Dec 1, 2024, 8:10 PM
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This is such an ignorant post. Dabo may have had a lot of input between 2015-2021, but once he hired Riley he went hands off. Then we realized the problem wasn’t the OC. It’s the Jimmys and the Joes. Got to go get those elite players again or we won’t get back on top no matter who we hire.
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
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Totally hands off.
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Kinda hard to get Jimmy or Joe when the pitch is
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"Come to Clemson and get coached by this guy who yeah sure is a little 'off' and while he doesn't have a ton of experience he's got a ton of heart and is going to be a big name in about 10 years. But trust me. You're gonna play for a natty while you're here if you have raw talent that doesn't need development."
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"By the way, have you heard about our Lord and Savior Dabo Swinney?"
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Re: Heres a hard truth for the "Fire Riley" crowd.
Dec 1, 2024, 10:06 PM
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You guys disappoint me with your lack of football knowledge. If Cade hits Westco we have a touchdown. If we kick the fieldgoal instead of trying to run through the toughest part of there defense we would have at least a put points on the board. Dabo is not the problem, Garret would be more to blame than Dabo. We played well enough except for Sellers. We have to find ways to finish drives like our first one of the second half. No one person caused our lack of consistency, but a team effort or lack there of!!
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100% correct ***
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Dec 1, 2024, 11:44 PM
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I just wish we could block somebody, our line plays like they practice in helmets and shorts all week. I cringe each time we are in short yardage situations because we CAN'T BLOCK!!
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Dec 1, 2024, 11:47 PM
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I just wish we could block somebody, our line plays like they practice in helmets and shorts all week. I cringe each time we are in short yardage situations because we CAN'T BLOCK!!
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