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TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 8:01 AM
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Legend [6768]
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Maybe they can Smoke Some of Coach Ford's Hemp***
Aug 20, 2020, 8:37 AM
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 8:43 AM
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It's easy to sit in the seat that coach Ford is in and speak about his worries, and he is right by saying that we don't know the lasting effects on the people that has contracted covid-19, but we can't stop living now bc of it. I mean I have to go out into the public where the rick of me being affected by the virus is much much greater than if I could just stay at home, but that is impossible. I sat in my heart doctors office for 2 hours before I was seen yesterday, and by the time I did see him I was very pisssed off bc I was exposed with more people leaving and more coming in, but I'm experiencing shortness of breath, so what were my choices, he wasn't about to make a house call. This pandemic causes change, and we will have to do the best that we can for ourselves while trying to wait for a vaccine to come...
Is college FB a necessity, no, not for the fans, but it is for those kids that has put in all the time during their young life to try and have a future in the NFL, and I do understand them feeling the need to play, and if they play, I will watch it, and hopefully the scientist will come up with a medication to reverse the negative effects that the virus can cause....
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:14 AM
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This sounds like about the most ignorant comment I’ve read. These are people’s kids man. The already had to redshirt Xavier Thomas so that’s an indicator that this thing is no joke. How did we get to this point where we’re saying it’s ok to risk your life for a football game
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:17 AM
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It is okay to risk your life doing something you love. People have died playing football before covid. You people are making this thing a way bigger deal than it is. Sure it is something to worry about and try not to spread but it isn't killing most of the people that get it. It isn't even making most people that get it sick.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 12:13 PM
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As if it could get any bigger, it seem to be one of the easiest deadly viruses to get than we've had in awhile. I mean just in America, 5,460,429 have tested positive covid-19, and 171,012 have already died from covid-19, and pretty near everyone of them left loved ones behind. I am so glad that none of the 171,012 deaths was one of my closest family members. But I do text them everyday asking them to please protect themselves, and to not be the cause of the rest of us to suffer through the loss of one of them simply bc they refuse to pay attention to the warning and didn't wear a mask like the most of do trying to stay alive and see each other again while they were still breathing. From the six kids in my family of brothers and sisters, there is only 3 of us left, and I would hate to lose one of my two sister bc of covid-19, and I express that to them everyday how important that mask will be to help keep them safe regardless of who they are around, bc they really don't know how safe the people they come in contact with are... It is really simple, wear the da mn mask, it won't kill you, and it could be the one thing that saves your life and the life of your love ones. Please, for yourself, and for the people that you love, wear the mask, please!!!!
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Yeah, that's the ticket.
Aug 21, 2020, 2:06 AM
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If every man, woman, and child wore a mask, then it wouldn't be a worldwide pandemic. And we could play football with no risk whatsoever.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 2:02 PM
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As if it could get any bigger, it seem to be one of the easiest deadly viruses to get than we've had in awhile. I mean just in America, 5,460,429 have tested positive covid-19, and 171,012 have already died from covid-19, and pretty near everyone of them left loved ones behind. I am so glad that none of the 171,012 deaths was one of my closest family members. But I do text them everyday asking them to please protect themselves, and to not be the cause of the rest of us to suffer through the loss of one of them simply bc they refuse to pay attention to the warning and didn't wear a mask like the most of do trying to stay alive and see each other again while they were still breathing. From the six kids in my family of brothers and sisters, there is only 3 of us left, and I would hate to lose one of my two sister bc of covid-19, and I express that to them everyday how important that mask will be to help keep them safe regardless of who they are around, bc they really don't know how safe the people they come in contact with are... It is really simple, wear the da mn mask, it won't kill you, and it could be the one thing that saves your life and the life of your love ones. Please, for yourself, and for the people that you love, wear the mask, please!!!!
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:55 AM
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I’ll take your bait and give you the benefit of doubt that your not a troll. Please tell me what Is ignorant about this logic. The virus is dangerous, and could potentially have long term impacts on anyone who contracts it- no argument there. This holds true whether you are playing a sport or going to a party on campus. It is a generous assumption to say players will be as safe sitting out the season and being ‘out in the wild’ as they would be playing considering all the extra scrutiny and testing they will receive during a season that they would not otherwise receive.
*Sidenote- XT is not sitting out due to covid concerns. He’s out because he has already been sick and is way behind in conditioning doesn't want to play as anything but his best self in his final season.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 11:15 AM
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It's hard to go back and forth with you guys on the internet and no I'm not a troll. Don't assume everyone that disagrees with you guys to be a troll or bot. I've been a Clemson fan since I was 8 years old and I'm 49 now. We can certainly agree to disagree. While he's behind in conditioning, the indicator was that this virus was really hard on him. I won't make assumption other than the fact that I know couple of kids who contracted who are athletes and they are really struggling to breath under the circumstances of football workouts. It feels like our decisions and opinion are so shaped by politics and before you think I'm a Democrat, I'm not. I just think we've lost our way when we're putting our kids in harms way. I'm a high school positions coach and I'm not sure if we're ready for this yet
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 11:32 AM
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Admittedly, I misread your reply as a reply to my post. I got a little frisky bc I couldn’t see much controversy in my original post. My apologies.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 11:42 AM
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He had the virus and strep back to back. Maybe he was one of the few people who have symptoms. Idk the real reason why he is redshirting. They didn't explain it much. He just isn't in shape from what I got out of it but is he at practice now?
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 12:00 PM
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I believe he is still going to suit up for the year and will likely play the 4 games allowed for a redshirt year. Similar track that Skalski took after his injury that impacted 2018 year.
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You are being irrational. People risk their lives every day,
Aug 20, 2020, 2:27 PM
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and to a far greater degree than any college athlete is risking their lives in college football during Covid19.
Have you ever bothered to look at the actual hospitalization rate for healthy people under 40? They are literally FAR more likely to be hospitalized by a car wreck than to be hospitalized by Covid. This is true by like a factor of 10 or more.
All this irrational, open-ended fear-mongering flies in the face of science, statistics and reason.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 9:01 AM
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I'm starting to wonder if my childhood hero is an old school democrat.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 9:15 AM
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Oh cmon Danny.....those boys were juicing up when you were the coach and you had no concerns then....now you worry about long term impacts of a virus.
CDC data simply does not support all the madness we have put ourselves through the past 6 months.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:46 AM
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You are right! A friend of mine's nephew who was a South Carolina football player died in his mid 30's as a result of steroids during the era that it was prevalent in colleges. I think Stve Courson (USC & Steelers) died of basically the same thing.
The"heart problems" associated with Covid are real, but they are also associated with flu and other viruses, and are more of a concern with those older patients who have severe problems with the virus. Some are just using it as a scare tactic much like they did regarding Hydroxychlorine by claiming it caused heart problems. It does, but extremely rare!
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:13 AM
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Legendary Coach: "I would be concerned about my players health, don't want to make the wrong decision's
TNet: "Must be a closet Democrat"
Are all the users of this site this braindead, or just a vocal minority?
Brain dead? It’s no secret that liberal leaning states are taking less risk than conservative leaning states. So the posters thought is not without rational thinking.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 24, 2020, 11:01 AM
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No we're actually the silent majority and will prove it on election day just as we did in 2016.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:13 AM
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Legendary Coach: "I would be concerned about my players health, don't want to make the wrong decision's
TNet: "Must be a closet Democrat"
Are all the users of this site this braindead, or just a vocal minority?
Brain dead? It’s no secret that liberal leaning states are taking less risk than conservative leaning states. So the posters thought is not without rational thinking.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:13 AM
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Legendary Coach: "I would be concerned about my players health, don't want to make the wrong decision's
TNet: "Must be a closet Democrat"
Are all the users of this site this braindead, or just a vocal minority?
Brain dead? It’s no secret that liberal leaning states are taking less risk than conservative leaning states. So the posters thought is not without rational thinking.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:13 AM
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Legendary Coach: "I would be concerned about my players health, don't want to make the wrong decision's
TNet: "Must be a closet Democrat"
Are all the users of this site this braindead, or just a vocal minority?
Brain dead? It’s no secret that liberal leaning states are taking less risk than conservative leaning states. So the posters thought is not without rational thinking.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 11:29 AM
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So that somehow magically means that 100% of democrats are scared to death of the virus, and that 0% of Republicans are? I certainly know people on both sides of each.
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The Democrats are the one's politicizing it.
Aug 21, 2020, 9:10 AM
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I watched a bunch of the DNC. Most all of it was like a fictional movie. A bunch of lies, I mean hardcore lies. Guys like Clinton, Obama, Sleepy Joe, dozens of them, simply and openly lying through their teeth to the American people. No regards whatsoever for honesty. Talking about dignity and integrity while blatantly lying and playing people for fools. Obama struck me as the biggest POS of all. I've never in my life witnessed a man so full of #### on national TV. Preying on gullible Americans in the name of a vote. What kind of human being is capable of such horrible behavior? But I digress....
Look, the virus was shamefully used as a political weapon by the Democratic party. It cannot be denied. Over and over. They'll do it until election day, when they lose, then it will all go away. Citing the number of deaths, over and over, as if we don't know the number, as if it was one man's fault. As if Joe could have actually saved lives, and how he'll make it go away, even though him and the party called Trump a racist and xenophobe for taking action.
Some people are actually falling for it, but do they really think the majority of American people forget exactly what happened? Deceitful, shameless, lie after lie. Using the virus and human life as a means to capture votes. Sickening.
Look, politicians do bad stuff and Trump has done his share in his life, but this open act of lies and deceit in the name of a vote - bad, bad people. Really just piece of crap people.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 9:20 AM
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I love, respect and know that Coach Ford is a very intelligent, educated and shrewd man.
I've read a couple of his interviews and I feel Coach pretty strongly leans towards cancelling college football this season. However, if this was 20 years ago, I'm not so sure he would feel the same. No offense Danny.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 21, 2020, 8:39 AM
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Frankly, it's these type of statements that got Danny tossed on his rear and headed to Arkansas and then we went into the death spiral of shame with Hatfield.
I don't see Dabo advising Ford on how to grow hemp.
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Orange Beast [6498]
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Its time to stop asking Coach Ford's opinion...
Aug 20, 2020, 9:42 AM
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He hasnt been relevant to Clemson football in 30 years.
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Re: Its time to stop asking Coach Ford's opinion...
Aug 20, 2020, 11:41 AM
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Gotta love how it's always about the Clemson family, and once a tiger always a tiger up until one of them says something we don't agree with.
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CU Guru [1260]
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Stop being such a drama queen.***
Aug 21, 2020, 1:49 AM
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Stop being such a drama queen.***
Aug 21, 2020, 8:57 AM
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Yep, I'm the drama queen here, and not the person saying our legendary coach who won a freakin NC here isn't relevant simply because he said something I didn't agree with. What ever happened to just agreeing to disagree?
I guess Dabo won't be relevant to Clemson football anymore 30 years after he retires?
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Re: Stop being such a drama queen.***
Aug 21, 2020, 9:01 AM
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Do you seriously believe Dabo would have taken the stance Danny did? Dabo would support the current league and coach's decisions to play.
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You're still doing it.
Aug 21, 2020, 9:28 AM
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His football wins, and his completely unfounded "long term health" comments, and speaking contrary to the university's decisions - these things are not tied together. Football wins do not give him a free ticket.
If thirty years from now Dabo says something ignorant and out of line, especially when he just take the high road in the name of the "Clemson family", then he will get called out for it.
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Danny Ford's worries are not substantiated by any evidence.
Aug 20, 2020, 9:44 AM
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That means they represent open-ended fear, not balanced by other factors. In other words, it's not useful at all.
He won a natty, and put Clemson on the map. And that's huge. But that's the extent of it.
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What?
Aug 20, 2020, 10:51 AM
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He's worried about player's long-term health. How is that "open-ended fear"? The lack of evidence you mentioned goes both ways: there's none to support that it does cause long-term effects, and there's none to support that it doesn't. And that's all Coach was trying to say, that some amount of caution should be used because we don't have all the answers. It's a very grounded, conservative thing to say.
Man, I never thought I'd see the day that it became cool to hate on Danny Ford among Clemson fans.
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Ring of Honor [23485]
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You don't know what open-ended means?
Aug 20, 2020, 2:18 PM
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If you are afraid of something, and there is no factual or scientific basis to be afraid of it... then that fear is open-ended. If you are not factoring in the rest of the known threats of the universe, and your perception is devoid of consideration of all the other variables in life, then you are engaging in open-ended fear. It's not based on anything specific, just the possibility.
There is infinite possibility of harm from an infinite amount of possibilities. I could be scared that cell phone towers will kill everyone after 40 years of exposure. I could be scared of dying in a car wreck. I could be scared of brain trauma from football? I could be scared of being assassinated for being a public figure. There's no specific reason to believe all that will likely happen to any individual, but it's possible.
Advocating for something that dramatically changes people's lives should only be done if there is a specific reason to do so. Not just because there is some unknown possibility of something bad. Again, familiarize yourself with the word "open-ended." When people start using open-ended fear to try and tell others what do do, they are dangerous and should be counter-acted.
And stop being so dramatic. Equating criticism to Danny Ford's consequential comments to "hating on" him is childish and inaccurate.
People are losing the ability to think critically and communicate effectively.
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:11 AM
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He is certainly entitled to his opinion, and long term effects of virus are a concern. I just don’t see how playing or not playing has any impact on whether they get the virus. His logic dots just aren’t connecting. The play vs no play outcome difference for players seems to favor playing if anything due to more testing, more medical oversight, and greater focus on personal responsibility to protect the team. It appears he has some unspoken motivation for his ‘concerns’ and push for no play...
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 10:16 AM
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I have a bit of a problem listening to Coach Ford speak about this virus with such concern for the players. I have a relative that played for Coach Ford in the 80's and many of those players (that are not already dead) are struggling with the long term effects of the "worries" that did not exist for them. May be a death bed conversion, but I am betting on it being that an old man needs to feel relevant.
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Rival Killer [2822]
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Those worries didn't exist for ANYONE back then.
Aug 20, 2020, 11:09 AM
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Maybe his stance and perspective changed once he became privy to new research and studies? He is allowed to do that, right?
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And evidence that college football athletes would be hurt by
Aug 20, 2020, 2:35 PM
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Covid19 if a season is played doesn't exist right now either.
Actually, the evidence heavily suggests Covid is nowhere near as bad an anyone feared and that the normal versions of the flu are statistically far more likely to hospitalize a person in their 20's.
Being more afraid of things that are less dangerous is a delusional endeavor.
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CU Guru [1260]
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Bullcrap. If indeed steroids were used in S&C back then,
Aug 21, 2020, 1:43 AM
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it wasn't like they thought it was like taking vitamins and perfectly safe. Spare me the "he didnt know then what we know now".
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Hall of Famer [8260]
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Danny Ford is Bing Crosby in Holiday Inn
Aug 20, 2020, 10:39 AM
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“I’m jus gonna be la-zy.”
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He's very, very concerned about our young people***
Aug 20, 2020, 11:09 AM
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Alright bob - this old, crap post has been stinkin' the
Aug 24, 2020, 11:12 AM
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place up for 4 days - I'll go ahead and TU it for nostalgia sake.
I'm embarrassed for you right now . . . .
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Game Day Hero [4515]
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I certainly believe Coach Ford means well. The players have
Aug 20, 2020, 12:07 PM
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stated that they are safer playing than not playing.
Are they right ? I don't know. Is Coach Ford right ? I don't know.
What I do believe is that football is a fairly dangerous sport. On any given play a player can suffer a serious injury that can affect them for life. The players accept that risk.
I just find it hard to justify the COVID stance with regard to cancelling football when the game itself is inherently dangerous, and always has been.
Again, I just go back to the players saying they feel safer playing than not playing.
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Legend [6760]
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 12:20 PM
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All due respect to Coach Ford, that logic could be used for about anything. Do we know the long term effects of cell phone usage? How about everything he grows on his farm including hemp? Just not sound
reasoning to cancel a season for unknowns.
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Clemson Icon [25433]
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Is there anything he does like?***
Aug 20, 2020, 12:43 PM
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Associate AD [1065]
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We do know the effects of helmet to hemet hits, yet we play
Aug 20, 2020, 1:19 PM
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anyway
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Athletic Dir [1144]
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Stop asking Danny to speak on COVID***
Aug 20, 2020, 4:07 PM
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Standout [215]
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 5:57 PM
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I know most folks on this site love Danny but in reality is he any more relevant than Bo Schembechler, Woody Hayes or Bobby Bowden at this point? His time has passed but I feel like he wants to stay in the limelight. Comments like these really don't help the program, especially when it comes from someone with little to no medical knowledge. He lost some of my respect today.
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Game Day Hero [4186]
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 20, 2020, 9:06 PM
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Unfortunately you don't know how much Danny has meant to Tiger fb
and he was an outstanding coach
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Athletic Dir [1194]
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Re: TNET: Ford worries about long-term COVID-19 effects on players: "It's a gamble you can't lose"
Aug 21, 2020, 7:57 AM
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The fact that he was a good coach and meant a lot to the Clemson program doesn't mean he should speak negatively to the decisions that are being made in the program today, especially when he has no iota of a clue what he is talking about. By doing this all he is doing is making people like you question what is being decided today. Whether it's right or wrong, it is the decision and he should support it. It's what he would have wanted in 1981.
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Paw Master [17108]
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We already know the effects football itself has on the body
Aug 20, 2020, 7:08 PM
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30 years from now and we let them play anyway...How much worse could Covid be Danny?
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