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TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 12:34 PM
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Rival Killer [3009]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 12:37 PM
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Yes, if Swinney goes back to what made him successful.
However, I fully expect there won't be a single change in the off-season.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 1:01 PM
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Can Dabo get back to beating elite programs? Yes!! He's proven he knows how. The question is, Will he? Can't see it coming unless he's willing to make some changes in staff. That's been his success. My opinion is he's not a Saban or Spurrier x's and o's kind've guy. He's a CEO coach. This slide is not talent, portal or any other circumstantial issue. Its a coaching issue. TN Martin put up 24 on the Vols and we struggled to score 14. That's been a constant theme these two years. This ain't rocket science. Its coaching.
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I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 1:20 PM
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in his mind he hired the BEST EVER coaches........he recruited the BEST POSSIBLE players............he's developed the best talent..............he sees 10+ wins and a hollow ACC championship trophy and thinks ALL IS WELL.
I honestly don't think he sees ANY of the issues.
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I agree with you.
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Jan 3, 2023, 1:27 PM
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The question is, how can he see the issues if he's surrounded himself by mostly yes men?
Who holds Dabo accountable for football decisions if he himself isn't willing or able to?
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Exactly!
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Jan 3, 2023, 6:37 PM
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We have a lot of problems and it’s easy to understand why fans are upset. Everyone can see that our problems are self-inflicted! College football has radically changed over the last few years. But ALL of our problems start and end with Dabo!
We have not slipped because of other programs. Our decline is because of decisions made by Dabo.
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Re: I agree with you.
Jan 4, 2023, 1:00 PM
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Should be the A.D., pure and simple, but I’m doubting that one as well. Probably a leash so long that it’ll never get reeled in. No doubt that Dabo has earned the long leash, but still…
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Re: I agree with you.
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Come on man, The secretaries and Niki, they'll step in soon and get DABO back on track! LMFAO
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 2:32 PM
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As we watched DJU struggle for two years, many of us who post on this site focused on the Tiger offense. But there was this reminder in the latest David Hood article:
“ But the big three out-of-conference games this season saw the Tigers go 0-3 and saw them outscored 97-58.”
We have a big problem on defense too, and that side of the ball is supposed to be loaded with talent. We need better coaching of our secondary for sure—or better recruits, or both.
In the new landscape of elite college football, here is what I predict: (1) Brilliant but stubborn Dabo, shielded for the rest of his career by a compliant university board that awarded him a contract paying him more than $10 million a year, will not make the coaching changes that so clearly need to be made. Alabama’s offensive coordinator is Bill O’Brien, former head coach of the Houston Texans who helped turn Deshaun Watson into one of the best quarterbacks in the game. Georgia’s offensive coordinator is Todd Monken, former offensive coordinator for the Buccaneers and the Browns. That is big-time college football. (2) We will be a very good football program, but no longer a great one because of the coaching issue, because of recruiting issues, and because of Dabo’s resistance to the portal. To his credit, Dabo does care about our players, their education, and their path to a life that does not include the NFL. Clemson will remain a much-admired program for those reasons, but it will no longer be the elite program it was, in terms of wins and championships, during the glory years.
And that focuses the spotlight on Dabo’s phenomenal salary and his freedom to run his program, answering to no one.
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 3:15 PM
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Bill O’Brien didn’t do anything to help DW4. That is a joke.
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 4:27 PM
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Deshaun was already a super stud. His coach at Houston did nothing for him with the exception of holding back the Texans offense in post-season play. Deshaun is Deshaun.
Our defense tooknsome steps back last year. This year, the defensive unit did enough to win every game except Wake.
Recruiting has dropped IMO. Whatever changes Dabo made in recruiting have resulted in good but not national championship calibur players. No excuse in that.
I wish Dabo's talk show was still going on. If he has no accountability, I'd love for someone to brave this issue for him.
I hope Dabo sees the writing on the wall ( in terms of real championships) soon
and surprises us with some changws
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:34 PM
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“has been” ..the key words, like “used to be” .. The most recent round of coaches hired has left us “out coached” in most games by more experienced coaches. They are also failing to develop the talent we do have.
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:17 PM
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That sounds a lot like the HC before Dabo, and if that is what Dabo would rather be over the man that took Tommy Bowden's place as HC with a ton of drive about winning, I would rather see him end up like TB, and not the HC of our Clemson Tigers. Dabo proved that Clemson can be an elite FB program. For me personally, I'm about Clemson first, and if that's not Dabo also, then he needs to move on, he can be a preacher in a church somewhere!!! I love God over all, but when I want to watch FB, I want to watch elite Clemson FB!!!
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
Jan 3, 2023, 9:14 PM
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That sounds a lot like the HC before Dabo, and if that is what Dabo would rather be over the man that took Tommy Bowden's place as HC with a ton of drive about winning, I would rather see him end up like TB, and not the HC of our Clemson Tigers. Dabo proved that Clemson can be an elite FB program. For me personally, I'm about Clemson first, and if that's not Dabo also, then he needs to move on, he can be a preacher in a church somewhere!!! I love God over all, but when I want to watch FB, I want to watch elite Clemson FB!!!
With you on all fronts
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Re: I don't think he sees what the issues are.........
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Jan 3, 2023, 7:59 PM
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Yes, and I do wish that he would stop bragging about winning the ACC. Winning the ACC is saying we beat a lot of schools that isn't interested in building a power FB program, they're mostly basketball schools that don't care about FB!!!!
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 1:17 PM
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This article is SPOT ON! And I really hope your second comment is wrong and that Dabo will make some significant changes. We do need an identity, on both sides of the ball!
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 4, 2023, 8:32 AM
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I was watching the Rose Bowl and during the telecast Herbstreit said the Utah OC was one of the brightest offensive minds in college football. What’s amusing about that is I don’t recall hearing that about our OC since Chad Morris departed.
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Jan 3, 2023, 1:35 PM
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Please...allow me...
DAVID HOOD IS A COOT!!!! lol
P.S. Makuba likely on the Clemson one-way outbound portal.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 7:53 PM
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There won't be, and if there is a change, it will be another office person brought down to the practice field and told they are now a coach....
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 4, 2023, 3:23 PM
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College Football is an evolving thing, always has been. Now, particularly with NIL. I remember the Winged T, I formation, Wishbone etc, etc. So it's always changing. Dabo is a very smart man, but he can be stubborn. I get all of that, but in the final analysis, he's a very competitive athlete/coach. He wasn't satisfied this year. He'll make the changes that are necessary to win. All the fun is in the winning.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 12:42 PM
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Yes if they do the following;
Dabo needs to get rid of the "sticking with my guy" attitude. Putting one l payer above the team is bound to have a negative effect. He also need to adjust his ego, by just some of the comments he has made.
I think he needs to take a long hard look at the strength and conditioning program. Those 3 losses were due in part to be out manned/ out gunned on both sides of the line.
And finally please rehire Jeff Scott.
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Clemson had huge success when same staff were together But..
Jan 3, 2023, 12:59 PM
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as life & things changed so did the cohesion & good fortunes that abounded then was altered little by little until that oneness & unreal success was changed.
Losing position coaches here & there was no big deal but losing Oline coach, then both award-winning Co-ordinators in same year was the larger hole that flooded & crashed the ###!
Can it be rebuilt..Yes, but a completely new & different ###.
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Re: Clemson had huge success when same staff were together But..
Jan 3, 2023, 5:25 PM
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I hope you are right but results are not good so far.
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Re: Clemson had huge success when same staff were together But..
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He don't feel that he has to hire from within either.
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Jan 3, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Agree about the strength and conditioning part. In years past we were always better conditioned than our opponents. Not so anymore and has not been so since Covid year. I use to brag to people that would attend ballgames with us, that when players of the other teams lay out on the field and require help to get off the field, that you never see a Clemson player do that. In the past three years, we see more and more of it by our players, as the poor darlings cannot get to the sideline after a cramp or a hand injury. So something changed in off season and in-season conditioning. I don't know what, but something changed.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 12:50 PM
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We certainly "can". We could also continue to
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 12:50 PM
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decline if some things are addressed. Hopefully they will be.
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Jan 3, 2023, 12:50 PM
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Not if Dabo keeps acting like everything is perfect, coaches are best he can hire, coaches never make mistakes, never have wrong guy starting. He's in denial, and using excuses that Bama, OSU, etc don't use.
And please stop bringing religion into football and acting like a deity is shepherding the team. I respect his right to practice whatever religion he wants, but enough with acting like this is the Christian God's team. It's Clemson, not Oral Roberts Univ.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 1:09 PM
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It is kind of funny how we didn't seem to mind Dabo talking about his faith when we were making the playoffs every year and winning a couple of NCs along the way. The reality is if you accept Dabo then you have to allow for his faith now as well because the two are not mutually exclusive. You don't have to agree with it but you should understand that within him they are one and the same and they won't be separated to please anyone else.
Having said this, his faith is not an excuse for poor decision-making and does not relieve him of accountability as a head coach. Like all of us, he is not perfect and does make mistakes. I do believe he will be reflecting a lot on this past season and what he needs to do to get it back on track. I also believe he is not as removed from reality as some are speculating; he just isn't going to admit to that in public because in doing so he deflects accountability to others which I believe he wants to keep internal. You know the saying, "praise in public, correct in private."
We know Dabo is not stupid, a little arrogant perhaps, but I think he has been humbled the last couple of years and as competitive as he is, he will begin the process of building us back to elite status. However, it won't happen overnight. I think we may need a couple of solid recruiting cycles to get the talent right and maybe some staff adjustments over time as well.
In short, be patient for a little while and hope that patience will be rewarded.
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I only wish I could give you 10 TUs for this comment!
Jan 3, 2023, 1:29 PM
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You nailed it SLW, just like David’s article did!
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 1:40 PM
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I agree 100% slwcu!! I couldn't have said it better myself..thank you for sharing. There is no change or growth without failure or adversity. The future is bright..it's going to take a little time to get where clemson wants and needs to be but we will. Go Tigers ?
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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His religion wasn't a problem when he was winning NC's. That's who he is and he's been consistent about it. His Christian principles have nurtured a culture that is this programs success. Its the reason players like Trevor Lawarence, Klubnick and many others come here. Its why their parents want them here.
Dabo may have abandoned some of his methods in building this program but expressing his Christian belief's hasn't changed, and I for one am thankful for that.
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I too am thankful for his outspokenness about his faith, and find it
Jan 3, 2023, 3:54 PM
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very refreshing. I look forward to spending eternity with Dabo. Well not JUST Dabo, of course. 
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Oof. The pumpers ain't gonna like that article David. lol***
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Jan 3, 2023, 12:52 PM
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Re: Oof. The pumpers ain't gonna like that article David. lol***
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:29 PM
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Why not, David held back with telling the whole truth about what he really thinks. David loves Clemson like most of do, and he tries to keep the peace!!!
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Thanks for the article David..
Jan 3, 2023, 12:52 PM
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good thoughts. Im not so sure though that the next few weeks will tell us anything. We wont know much about the new guys for awhile but maybe Dabo gets a transfer or two. I'd personally be shocked to see anyone get fired on our staff.
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Here are the problems that Dabo needs to address if we're going to be a contender again. The good news is that they're all within his control:
1. Recruiting. We don't have the talent we had when we were going to the CFP-- simple as that. Recruiting needs to improve-- it is slipping and we are losing out on our top targets.
2. Re-embrace "Best is the Standard". From a mindset perspective, Dabo is settling. ACC Championships are enough now it seems.
3. Adapt and be willing to Change... whether it be who's playing (QB), who's coaching (Skeeter), or new rules (the Portal). Dabo seems to become more stubborn by the day.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 8:57 PM
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I only see two players in the class of 2023 we would have pushed hard for in 2019: Woods and Burley. None of the others.
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You can't solve a problem if you don't think you have one.
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I am a huge Dabo fan and there is no question he hoisted us up from mediocre to the top of the mountain. That being said I would really love to hear Dabo say "This is not acceptable we expect more". In addition I'm tired of hearing about the number of wins and consistency. Man I get it we are a very successful program overall but as Hood highlighted we are not winning the big games anymore.I think the loss of Venables and Scott has hurt us. I know it's been two years for Scott but remember he called plays before Elliot and Streeter and was very creative. Goodwin is great but can't disguise and mix up the blitzes like Venables. In addition and really most of all our defense is totally predicated on playing with a lead which won't work if the offense sucks. I could go on but you get the point. I feel be turned around but it has to be addressed.
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Re: You can't solve a problem if you don't think you have one.
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"I'm tired of hearing about the number of wins and consistency."
It seems not too long ago every year Dabo would say "This team hasn't won anything yet" always looking forward and not behind. When you start using past success to justify continuing what is currently happening you've already lost ground (as we can all plainly see)... We are on the way down the mountain at this point. The success of outstanding coordinators during the playoff years has made Dabo think that he can be something that he isn't. Dabo doesn't have the x's and o's knowledge to be Saban. He was never even a coordinator which has a lot to do with why he thinks the coordinators he has are just fine.
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Bingo!!!***
Jan 3, 2023, 12:58 PM
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I do not think it is a question of can Clemson return. I think there is no doubt that they can. The question is will they? For that I have no answer. I know there is no such thing as holding the status quo. You are moving either up or down. I firmly believe we are currenty moving down in tallent and coaching. The longer and further you move down the exponentially more difficult it is to move up. The crossroads was a year ago. This year some decisions must be made, or we will be in a five to ten year turn around cycle.
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I wish it wasn’t true, but this is spot on in my mind.
If no offensive staff changes are made - and I will be shocked it there are - FSU will win the ACC title and we will field another 3 loss, out-of-top-10 finish.
The only thing that’s saving us from 4 losses is how bad the ACC is. But when Dabo continues to stay stubborn after 23, we will drop to 4 losses, because Miami will pass us up. At that point recruiting will have been majorly affected and even the Christian culture won’t be enough to bring players in.
Hate to be a downer, but this off-season is the precipice of a big drop. If he stays stubborn again, I don’t see any changes being made unless it’s him retiring.
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Good article and clearly outlines the decline that many
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of us here have been bringing up.
We can either stay a decent top 25 team or choose to try and work to be elite again. Doing the same things that aren't working and expecting different results is not a recipe for success.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 12:59 PM
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I have laid off of Dabo and crew for the last week or so. There are some changes that need to be made (although not nearly as many as have been suggested in this forum). But those changes are going to take a month or so to play out. So I am just gonna wait and see what Dabo and Co. do.
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Yeah, maybe we should all take a step back and wait.
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Clearly, no one is changing the other's opinion on TNET, lol.
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Tiger Titan [47411]
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He's not going to change much, if anything.
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If you expect him to fire coaches from a team that won 11 games and an ACC championship, you're crazy.
These days, Dabo doesn't seem to be driven by winning national championships as much as he is by having the family atmosphere on his coaching staff and in the locker room.
You might think I'm wrong, but I'll point you to his recent coaching staff decisions. If he were truly interested in hiring the best football minds, with proven experience, he would never have hired or promoted who he did.
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Re: He's not going to change much, if anything.
Jan 3, 2023, 8:43 PM
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Judge,
I guess what I am saying is that we all have repeatedly expressed our opinions about what we think SHOULD happen and what we think WILL happen, and now its time to just wait and see what actually DOES happen.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Dabo has made the difficult choices in the past, as recently as benching KB for Lawrence. I can’t imagine a man so stubborn in his convictions would change basically overnight to protect a struggling QB and poor play calling.
That leaves two options, he doesn’t actually believe there are problems in the program or he isn’t ready to deal with them publicly. If it’s the latter, and I really hope it is, I think its only because we have maintained some success, winning the ACC and keeping the 10-game streak alive.
When Dabo made big moves on the coaching staff in the past it was after disastrous performances. Steele was fired after allowing 70 points to WVA and Napier was fired after a losing season. I hope it won’t take something similar to force his hand into addressing the issues that seem so obvious to the fans on the outside.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 1:02 PM
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The answer to your question about this recruiting class: no
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Not with the OC we have and I like Streeter, or at least the ghost of Streeter. He was our QB before he got hurt while I was still at Clemson, so I have fond memories but how many times did we get into the red zone just to collapse? I will have to watch it again, but I found myself shaking my head on some of them which weren't more than 3rd and 3. Shipley is bad a**, but if they know he's coming...
And as far as recruiting...for a while all we had were six-four receivers who were loathe to block and fairly slow. Where is that Mike Williams, Nuk and other high pointing guys with a bit of speed? I am super excited about Antonio and the new Turner and I hope Randall can be another Mike, but after that, what is there?
We may look good against our schedule, but not so much lately against better squads. And while I still love him, I will agree that Dabo has made some comments that clearly demonstrate that he is disinterested at introspection. He may feel infallible and above our peasant grumblings, but we have eyes too and what they see...well...
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Clemson Conqueror [11373]
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how dare a clemson media outlet question our program***
Jan 3, 2023, 1:09 PM
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Standout [224]
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Question- Could this also be about Money?
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I’m not saying it IS, but it might be part of it. The popular villain is NIL. At some point though the massive TV money to the SEC and B1G has to matter right? A success story like TCU this year may well be a one-off (see LSU/Mich St). Are these schools now able to hire massive staff and spend money to juice up recruiting/portal? We may not be losing games to everyone, but we are probably losing recruits. I’m sorry but we have NO real playmakers that are a threat to any major outside of the ACC. Should Clemson actively pursue the SEC or B1G now before we are no longer a prize to be pursued?
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Paw Master [17859]
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once a man becomes comfortable in his job
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he settles..thats what we are seeing with dabo..hes to comfortable so he doesnt care
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Clemson Conqueror [11373]
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Larry Williams posted a Dabo quote from 2015.....
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Jan 3, 2023, 1:17 PM
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a month or so back............wish I had it, but somebody needs to show Dabo "his own words" back in 2015 to make him realize and see his own words are coming true.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98396]
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I do not believe that is true.
Jan 3, 2023, 1:31 PM
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God is not pleased when one of his children get a lackadaisical attitude toward his job. That flies in the face of scripture.
Eph 6:
"5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:"
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Orange Blooded [2387]
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Re: I do not believe that is true.
Jan 3, 2023, 1:44 PM
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We may be in the midst of a good old fashioned smiting by the supreme leader in the sky.
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Orange Blooded [2058]
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Re: once a man becomes comfortable in his job
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I think he cares, I just think he is at the stage where he’s blinded by previous success.
He literally doesn’t see the issues. I think he truly believes Streeter was the right hire and DJ was the best option.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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You touched on it by pointing out a ‘willingness to change’. In my humble opinion that’s the key. Dabo came on the scene, was somewhat unique and had the obvious successes. Then he stayed constant, figuring the success would continue. Well, the competition figured things out. Tigers became predictable on offense (the same plays over and over in sequence and no pass defense). Anyone (everyone) can throw on the Tigers. Yes, it’s time for change. My hope is that our coach can figure that out and adjust. If this old coot can see it, you would think the professionals will, too.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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The lack of experienced coaching on the offensive side of the ball is a glaring concern. Streeter and Grisham failed to develop their position groups this year period. RB's are getting better. OL needs to get better. The defense is trying to figure it out as well. Again, Dabo is a great leader, motivator, etc. QB Play and receivers have been way down the last two years. That is a result of the lack of coaching period.
Unless we get much better on offense we will be just a good team, not great or even elite. Great recruiting or not the players must be developed.....GO Tigers!
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Top TigerNet [31697]
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Can? Yes. Will? Adapt or die and Best is Standard
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Applies to recruiting and coaching performance too
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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I actually think we have a very good recruiting class coming in 2023. I also think the past couple classes were above average. Here's the issue for me: Player development, plain and simple. Unlike 5-10 years ago, the coaches are just not getting he players to perform up to their capabilities. Sure we've had injuries, but so does every other team. The physical and mental improvement from a year one player to a year 3 player is just not up to par for a school like Clemson. Look at the O-line. we'll have 4 starters back but are we really going to be any better? Have any of these guys improved that much since freshman year? We certainly get our share of 4 star recruits, it's time for the coaches to do a better job of getting them ready to play.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 5, 2023, 9:32 AM
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Its all about recruiting, recruiting and more recruiting, player development and more player development in the skill positions, physical conditioning and more conditioning, Coaching and better coaching!! play calling on both sides of the ball. Using the transfer portal, its available regardless of what DABO thinks about it.
DABO is apparently happy winning only in the sub par ACC. However, they're some Teams in the ACC that will be right on his behind in 2023!! Florida State appears to be heading in that direction!!
The ACC Championship will be questionable for Clemson if DABO keeps trending in his downward spiral!!
???????????? we'll see if he has learned anything from this past year!! It took the Secretaries and Niki to get Cade in the ACC game. COME ON MAN' SMH
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Yes!!!! But not with this current family and friends club he has working for him now.....he needs real help!!
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Nope we were never elite, who are y’all going to jump ship for and start writing for next???
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Tiger Titan [47411]
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Wait, so we are no longer elite?
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The pumpers have been assuring us that we still are.
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I think a "coot" wrote the article***
Jan 3, 2023, 1:25 PM
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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I personally don’t think we’re as far off as some think. The LSU game for the Natty was the worst game Trevor ever played at Clemson. It was the wrong night to be off but if he would have been on, that game would have been like the Bama games Watson played in. Let’s face it, if Watson would have been off either game we would have been destroyed. Trevor was on against Bama and they were off, we destroyed them. Last year against Georgia who wins the Championship, we lose off a pick six. We were driving on that possession and if we score a TD then we win 10-3. The Ohio St game was one where they had us on their bulletin board from the year before. They wanted to play us and they wanted to beat us. We didn’t have the fire that they had and we got beat. Same thing this year at ND, they wanted that game bad and their stadium was rocking. Plus we had a QB that got shell shock again. When he gets overwhelmed, he can no longer throw a forward pass. Cade won’t do that, kids got true grit!
We have a QB now, our defense will be good. We have receivers that show promise, so let’s see how we play next year. I fully expect us to score 40+ in most games and the defense will hold most to 20-.
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Clemson Conqueror [11373]
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disagree with 2 of 3 of your points.....
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-we have a QB now........AGREED
-Our defense will be good...........what makes you say that?.....Wes did less with more this year and he's losing a number of key pieces
-WRs are showing promise..............NOT EVEN CLOSE to being true........Williams is the ONLY one.
and you didn't even metion the underperforming coaches throughout our staff.
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Jan 3, 2023, 3:02 PM
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LSU's gigantic interior defensive linemen were one of the reasons Trevor had such a bad night. The rush up the middle threw his timing off.
Same thing happened against TN this year, just on a lesser scale. TN interior DL blew us up and Cade was running for his life all night.
Offensive line has to get way better.
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We need elite OL talent. Blake Miller is a good start. We consistently recruited highly rated DL players, but some reason our OL doesn't improve or look improved when playing higher talent teams (LSU, OSU, TN). Dabo & Co need to bring in some hogs that like punching people in the mouth on the OL imo.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 1:47 PM
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Blake Miller was a straight up disaster pass blocking this year. The numbers bear that out. Hope he makes a big jump being a young pup, but I wouldn’t wager on it.
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It has to be obvious to all that the program has slipped. Seems like it started to show after the LSU loss in the championship game. When you are on the top each year changes can be made to continue to improve. There are always those teams chasing after that top spot and being the target, you have to continue to grow. I hope Dabo will honestly look at this team and address the issues that are staring the Tigers in the eye. I really can't see Dabo admitting that he has made any bad choices with any aspect of this team. The starters next year should be above average across the board, but depth will be lacking. Tiger fans have seen the past few years with all the injuries sustained how quickly a strength can become a liability
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Starter [262]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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We still recruit VERY WELL, coaching is what separates a top five recruiting class and a top 15 class. We’ve had the recruits but have not developed them and played VERY WELL. We need a new OC and DC or we will continue to be “just good” but not elite. The facts is, we have barely beaten conference opponents that probably average top 25 or 30 recruiting classes….something wrong somewhere…..the math doesn’t work.?♂️
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Orange Blooded [2573]
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Clemson can only return to elite status if ....
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they can acknowledge that they've lost elite status. Tall order there.
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Well stated Mr. H
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You hit on it. Winning the ACC does not equal elite. Elite is competing and winning in the final four of the playoffs. Yes, playoff expansion is coming which will water down playoff competition. But a bigger impact will be competing with SEC and B1G schools earning $100M plus per year when ACC schools are earning $40M in TV revenue.
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Tiger Titan [47411]
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Wait, so now money matters?
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Because I’m told that it doesn’t in college basketball, all you need is a coach to sell a vision and inspire others.
Now that we don’t have as much money for football, it matters?
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Athletic Dir [1169]
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Re: Wait, so now money matters?
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Clemson doesn't have an outstanding Basketball program because it has chosen not to... If it did it would (a) put out the $$ needed to hire an elite coach and would not have rebuilt Little John with (roughly) the same number of seats as the old...
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I'm not seeing any indication that we will do what it takes.***
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Standout [215]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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There will be "devastating" news released soon as one of our top offensive players is about to enter the portal. Info can't be released atm due to guidelines but it's gonna hurt. Dabo is facing some tough decisions that a good CEO makes daily. We're gonna be fine fellas. These gunshots aren't gonna kill us but they might take some time to heal. GO TIGERS!! #ALL-IN
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Clemson Conqueror [11373]
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you hid this in a thread that's 2-1/2 hours old
Jan 3, 2023, 2:47 PM
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and far down the board. Post this in a new topic and see what happens lol
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Standout [215]
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Re: you hid this in a thread that's 2-1/2 hours old
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I'm not clout chasing, unfortunately it's a fact. Come back and talk to me in a couple days. GO TIGERS!!
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Yes... I believe!!!!
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Orange Blooded [2120]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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I said before and I’m saying again and I’ll probably quit after this.
I used to write a college football blog, but was forced to give up it up. I picked the national champ 9 out of 10 times. Last night, I actually dreamed that Clemson won it all next year. I’m not picking them to win just yet, b ut my dreams are very accurate and I will almos t guarantee a playoff berth next year.
Klubnik wasn’t quite ready, he’s a kid, but he will be next year and the boy doesn’t like losing. He rarely loses a game he starts.
Buy your tickets now.
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Tiger Titan [50571]
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We got rid of Danny Ford when he wasn’t cutting it!
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I guess we can do the same with Dabo, hopefully with better results. If it was me, I’d trust him to make the changes needed or not.
Dabo is a heck of a program builder, it’s harder to sustain so maybe we give him some time to figure it out.
Who y’all suggesting we get?
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Re: We got rid of Danny Ford when he wasn’t cutting it!
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As we watched DJU struggle for two years, many of us who post on this site focused on the Tiger offense. But there was this reminder in the latest David Hood article:
“ But the big three out-of-conference games this season saw the Tigers go 0-3 and saw them outscored 97-58.”
We have a big problem on defense too, and that side of the ball is supposed to be loaded with talent. We need better coaching of our secondary for sure—or better recruits, or both.
In the new landscape of elite college football, here is what I predict: (1) Brilliant but stubborn Dabo, shielded for the rest of his career by a compliant university board that awarded him a contract paying him more than $10 million a year, will not make the coaching changes that so clearly need to be made. Alabama’s offensive coordinator is Bill O’Brien, former head coach of the Houston Texans who helped turn Deshaun Watson into one of the best quarterbacks in the game. Georgia’s offensive coordinator is Todd Monken, former offensive coordinator for the Buccaneers and the Browns. That is big-time college football. (2) We will be a very good football program, but no longer a great one because of the coaching issue, because of recruiting issues, and because of Dabo’s resistance to the portal. To his credit, Dabo does care about our players, their education, and their path to a life that does not include the NFL. Clemson will remain a much-admired program for those reasons, but it will no longer be the elite program it was, in terms of wins and championships, during the glory years.
And that focuses the spotlight on Dabo’s phenomenal salary and his freedom to run his program, answering to no one.
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We didn't get rid of Danny Ford because he wasn't cutting
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it. Danny's "resignation" was the result of an internal power struggle, and in those pre-internet message board days, NOBODY outside of the innermost circle of the athletic department saw it coming, and all Clemson fans were blindsided by it and were outraged and practically in revolt.
It was a totally different situation than the one we are in now.
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"We got rid of Danny Ford when he wasn’t cutting it!" Idiot!
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You clearly don't know your backside from a hole in the ground. Bobby Robinson and Bill Atchley fired Coach Ford purely for reasons of internal politics; he wasn't suitably obedient. It was NEVER a matter of Coach Ford "not cutting it." After Coach Ford, the Clemson football program spent 20 YEARS in the wilderness.
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Excellent article***
Jan 3, 2023, 2:40 PM
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Re: Excellent article***
Jan 3, 2023, 3:55 PM
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Yes it was a good article, but disagree with one thing, only one team can win it every year not 2 or 3!
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Game Changer [1732]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 2:59 PM
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Diehard Clemson fan here. I believe the golden era of Clemson football is over as we know it. I think we peeked at 2 Natty's in 15 years under the current regime. I'm good with that. I can safely say I was able to witness both of those championships. So going forward if we ever got back and happen to win then we'll hey that's icing on the cake.
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@DavidHood, what changes do you think need to be made?***
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Well David. Great question
Here is reality
We won 2 national titles in 2016 and 2018
Recruiting should have been awesome right? Hey, we won 2 titles in 3 years.
247 team rankings for recruiting.
So let’s start with 2010 recruiting rankings and coaching changes to see if there is any correlation to elite status between 2015 and 2020 CFP run and offense / defense production.
2010- 27th 6-7 record Martavis Bryant top player florida 1, Texas 2, usc 3 Charlotte bowl loss and Napier fired. 334 yards offense 320 defense Boyd freshman
2011- 10th Sammy Watkins, steward top player. 10-4 record ACC champs chad morris arrives Bama 1, fsu 2 usc 3 blow out in the orange bowl against qb. Steele fired dabo energizes up fan base with new offense. 440 yards offense defense gave up 320 yards. Boyd 3828 yards 33 td 12 picks
2012- 20th. 11-2 record Carlos Watkins top player bama 1, Texas 2, Florida 3. We beat LSU in peach Brent v started his defensive campaign. 512 yards a game offense. Defense 396. Offense averaged 5.1 tds a game while defense gave up 3. Boyd 3896 yards 36 td 13 picks
2013– 15th 11-2 record Mack Alexander top recruit bama 1, osu 2 Florida 3 we beat osu in orange.
Back to back big bowl wins versus sec and big ten.
508 offense 357 defense 5 td to 2.8 defense. Boyd 3851 yards 34 td 11 picks
2014- 16th 10-3 record d watson best recruit bama 1 lsu 2 osu 3. Beat Oklahoma in russell athletic. Insert streeter as Cole stoudt whisperer and Chad morris leaves. Scott and Elliot made oc Chad offense 408 defense 260. 3.3 tds offense 1.7 defense td. Let’s be honest. First time the loyalty at qb becomes an issue. Watson gets hurt most of the season and Cole was not good. Chad wanted to be head coach. Cole 1892 yards 9 td 10 picks. Watson 1466 yards 14 td 2 picks Watson also had 5 rushing td while Cole had 1
2015-9th 14-1 record deon Cain, Wilkins and Hyatt top recruits. Bama 1, usc 2, fsu 3. 1st time we look elite and go to cfp title game. 514 offense 313 defense 4.6 td to 2.4 td defense. Beat baker mayfield in orange and tough loss to bama. ACC champs. Watson 4109 passing 35 td 13 picks. Watson 12 rushing td.
2016- 11th. 14-1 Dexter lawrence top recruit. Alabama 1, LSU 2 Fsu 3 ACC and national champs.
Ranked in top 5 all year. 504 offense 311 defense. 5 td offense to 2.2 defense. Watson 4593 passing 629 rushing 41 td 17 picks 9 rushing td
2017 -16th. What? We just won the natty. Al 1, osu 2 Georgia 3 ACC champs. Bama wins in the sugar. But we made the cfp. 430 yards offense 276 defense. 4.1 offense td vs 1.5 defense Kelly Bryant 2802 yards 13 td 8 picks. 11 rushing td. We won the ACC but lost to cuse. Ranked #1 going into the bama game. If etienne has not gotten his bell run on his first kickoff return, would the game be different?
2018 - 7th. 15-0 record ACC and natty champs. Trevor lawrence top recruit. 5 five stars in this class. Future looks bright. 2016 title paying off. Ga 1, osu 2 Tex 3 528 offense and 291 defense. 5.8 td vs 1.4 defense. Trevor 3280 passing 30 td 4 picks. Bryant had 4 games of 461 yards 2 td 1 pick and 2 rushing td. Lawrence only had 1 rushing td that year. Etienne torched everyone with 1658 yards and 24 td rushing.
This year was all about excellent skill players on both sides of the ball. That was an elite team.
2019- just off the natty win but back to defend their title in the title game. 10th. Andrew booth top recruit. 14-1 Had 29 game winning steak until lsu game. ACC champs Bama 1, ga 2, Tex 3
Beat osu in fiesta. But osu drained this team I think. Had they 2 weeks rest, lsu game may have been different. Ranked top 4 all year. 528 offense 288 defense. 5.7 td offense vs 1.5 defense. Tee Huggins getting hurt early did not help and lawrence had a bad game. Lawrence for that game was 18/37 234 zero touchdowns passing. No picks. He did rush for one with Travis and tee as well. Did coach Scott leaving cause some disruption in the natty game? I know he coached it but you know tampa was on his mind? I think they were beat up from the week before and just worn out.
2020-. Clemson 3. Ga1 bama 2. Playoff run is helping recruiting Bryan breeze Myles Murphy DJ U top recruits. 10-2 year ACC champs and back to sugar bowl. Covid year was weird. Lawrence probably could played the notre dame that year. Fsu cancels. Gamecocks forgot to schedule us. Elliott is sole control probably of the offense while Grisham takes over for wide outs. 502 total offense 326 defense. 5.4 td vs 2.2 defense. Lawrence 3153 yards 24 td 5 picks 8 rushing td. Dj 914 yards 5 td 0 picks. 4 rushing td. Travis 14 td rushing and 2 catching. 914 yards rushing. Had Elliot called the natty, would it have been different or closer?
2021- 5th. Ship and carter best of the bunch. 10-3 record no ACC. Bama 1, osu 2 ga 3
So what happened? You ready for it? 360 offense 306 defense. 2.9 td offense be 1.3 td defense. Dj was bad. 55 percent with 2246 yards passing 9 td and 10 picks. 4 rushing td. Ship 11 rushing td with 739 yards. Was Elliot this bad with out Scott? Was it all bad qb play that caused us to suffer 4-3 record before 6 straight wins? We were not elite. Number 3 ranked recruiting the year before should have paid off right? Ross was the best receiver and only has 3 td and 514 yards.
2022- 10. 11-3 ACC champs no playoff Top player is Cade. Tam 1, bama 2, ga 3. Streeter the play caller.
Offense 410 defense 334. 3.9 td offense vs 2.4 defense. DJU 61% 2521 yards 22 td 7 picks 7 rushing td. Cade 61% 697 yards 2 td 3 picks 2 rushing. Bowl loss and sluggish qb play again caused tigernet to go bonkers. I get it. We looked good at times. It not elite.
2023- current 10. Bama 1, ga 2, tex 3 Cade looks interesting for this coming year. But we need skill position upgrades.
What does this all mean. I did some crunching and found some interesting numbers.
Since 2010 recruiting ranking avg 16.8. If we take out the best year and worst year, avg is 10.75.
Best record and success came in 2015 - 2019. 69-5 over those years. 5 ACC titles 2 natty 4 bowl wins over osu, notre dame and Oklahoma. Elliott Scott was the best coordinators with 501.24 yards and 75.96 plays a game. Brent was 296 yards defense and allowed 65.86 plays a game. 13.8 win avg while Brent only lost 1 game on avg during that time. We had Watson, lawrence, gallman, etienne, tons of wide out skill players and studs on defense.
Morris won 10.5 games with 468 yard avg and 78 plays. Had taj boyd and one year watson stoudt fiasco.
Napier won 7.5 games avg and 348 yard on 64.95 plays. He didn’t have a lot of talent either
Elliott alone won 10 avg 431 yards wit 72.05 plays. Had Trevor and dj with two years alone oc.
Streeter is 11 wins 410 avg and 73.3 plays
Wes is 3 losses 334 yards and 66.4 plays
Brent in total was 1.7 losses 312 yards on 66.88 plays
In conclusion, to be elite.
Clemson needs an offense to produce over 500 yards a game on 75 or more plays. We need elite skill players to produce those numbers and coaches that can implement what ever scheme they want to get those numbers. Defense just needs to be good enough to keep them under 300 yards on 66 or less plays a game.
Our recruiting has never been elite. We just got a couple of elite skill positions and solidified it with a solid defense.
500/300 75/65. That should be the formula. We went 69-5 2 natty and 4 bowl wins and were the next one to dethrone bama. Based on statistics, streeter did better than Elliot did last year but not good enough as the Elliot Scott days or Morris.
Don’t call me a coot. Been a tiger for over 40 years.
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Orange Beast [6276]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 4:36 PM
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Thanks for all of that data and research.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 5:03 PM
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No problem. I was trying to see if it was recruiting or coaching. Looks like coaching. Just need skill players and elite qb to run the schemes.
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Jan 3, 2023, 9:49 PM
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Good stat work.
winning recruiting has never been the goal - development has, and we have dropped off there pretty sharply primarily at WR since Scott left.
Elliot/Scott ran the Morris offense. He came up with the scheme, they used his book. By the time 2019 arrived, that book was figured out by opponents (Trevor and Travis covered it up decently) and we needed to find our next Morris in 20.
We have simply continued to hire within and the offensive slide has continued as we are now just running a shell of the same Morris offense. Sad.
We need a new, creative offensive mind, and Scott back on the trail and in the WR room, to bring us back into ascension.
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Somebody posted a comment at The Athletic
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that sums it up pretty well, IMO:
“Saban casts a wide net when he needs a new coordinator (which is often). Dabo just walks down the hall and looks for someone reading a Bible.”
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 4:25 PM
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It's not like Clemson is going 0-12. All hope is not lost. There just needs to be minor adjustments.
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Orange Beast [6276]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 4:32 PM
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I for one don't feel "real good" about things or that, as Sam Cooke said, "change is gonna come."
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Dynasty Maker [3472]
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Jan 3, 2023, 6:05 PM
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You all are a miserable lot!!
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 6:11 PM
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I did not see Hood's definition of Elite. Is it National Champion, may never happen again, Playoff team, could happen, ACC Champion, should happen or ACC Championship runner up, hope we don't face that?
My definition of Elite is to at least make the ACC Championship game which should mean we are a Top 15 team.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 7:31 PM
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Please understand this comment is only about facts not mentioned in this DHood article.
Dabo said (earlier in the season) that winning the State Championship was a team goal.
With that said, it should have been noted in the article that it was a failed team goal and why, bc of poor coaching.
Sure, it could be derived form the term "out-of-conference" games. So then keep in mind and it may become apparent that "out-of-conference" games are failed team goals and due to poor coaching 93.2465% of the time.
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110%er [3625]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 7:42 PM
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2 years from now.
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Jan 3, 2023, 7:48 PM
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Nope. With NIL and lack of conference $$$, we have to be at the top in portal usage, player development and playcalling. This staff is trending us downward.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 7:50 PM
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Can we get back to Elite? Yes, will it happen, probably not. We had a good run for about 10 years but Dabo stubbornness is killing the program. He has yet to realize that teams caught up with Clemson by using the transfer portal. Teams like FSU are getting players with experience and Dabo still believes a high school kid is better. We need to realize that we are a 10 win program now. We are not the team that people are talking about anymore being elite, we are team people are talking about falling off. I said long ago the OC/DC hire was bad. I got hammered for saying that and many people kept saying they trust Dabo's opinion. Its funny how that has changed in 1 year. I kept saying Clemson is a top-tier program right now and that we could go get any DC we wanted and threw out Jim Leonard. I also said that we could get a great OC. We did neither. Instead Dabo had an internal hire DC and gave him $925,000 whereas BV was making 2.5 million. He hired an OC internally and gave him 850,000, whereas TE was making 2 million a year. This was all planned out by Dabo because he got a raise of 1.5 million. I bet you believe me now. Also, Dabo's way of picking recruits is not going to work. AL, GA, OSU, Tenn, etc could not care any less about recruits religious beliefs (Clemson is not a Christian School like TCU, Baylor, Liberty, etc. its a state school) or if they do community service. They only care if they can catch, throw and play defense and that is why they are offering every 4 and 5 star out there.
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Jan 3, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Can Mama??? SMH
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
Jan 3, 2023, 7:54 PM
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BAMA
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:08 PM
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Dabo has principles that may not be aligned with winning in today's environment.
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:34 PM
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What scare me most of all is all the crazzies out there with an AR-15 and 500 rounds of ammo, and all the finger pointing at Dabo. maybe we should make FB not so important!!!
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Jan 3, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Just because the guy only has 500 rounds of ammo doesn’t make him crazy. He may have fallen on hard times and hasn’t restocked.
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We have witnessed the best days of Clemson football
Jan 3, 2023, 8:58 PM
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I enjoyed every minute of the 2015-2019 seasons.
Generational talents at QB, hunger for Championships. Can't ride that wave forever.
I think we just need to enjoy each week, and would be surprised if we surpass 12 wins anytime in the near future. It's competitive. 120 teams trying to do the same thing...just my humble opinion.
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Not if we stay the current course***
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Gravity ...oh gravity !
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Jan 3, 2023, 9:29 PM
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Wilst thou pulleth down the sky?
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Jan 4, 2023, 5:33 AM
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Hellfire the OC has failed Clemson and his players with #### poor play calling and not using his great running backs as he should he needs to be replaced
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Jan 4, 2023, 6:44 AM
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I agree and DC underachieved will all the talent he had. Our defense should have been a top 5 and we did not even crack the top 15 this year. He needs to be fired along with the OC.
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Jan 4, 2023, 8:18 AM
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The last coach Dabo fired was Kevin Steele. And at that point his job status wasn’t as rock solid like it is today. I don’t see any staff changes coming because he is more about culture than winning. He’s got guys that buy into the culture. Hope everyone enjoyed the 2015-2020 seasons because in 10 years we’re going to still be talking about those same 6 seasons.
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Mascot [23]
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 4, 2023, 8:19 AM
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The last coach Dabo fired was Kevin Steele. And at that point his job status wasn’t as rock solid like it is today. I don’t see any staff changes coming because he is more about culture than winning. He’s got guys that buy into the culture. Hope everyone enjoyed the 2015-2020 seasons because in 10 years we’re going to still be talking about those same 6 seasons.
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Jan 4, 2023, 8:31 AM
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Given the challenging landscape of NIL money and our insistence of promoting from within (Brandon Streeter/Tyler Grisham are not good enough) then NO we will not be returning to nationally elite status.
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Commissioner [1292]
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We have never left you idiot!
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Re: TNET: Can Clemson return to elite status?
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Jan 4, 2023, 2:35 PM
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I didn't realize we weren't elite any longer.
Bama has down years, are they no longer elite?
You hate America.
Felix2
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Yes, but it all hinges on Dabo
Jan 5, 2023, 2:26 AM
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getting his hunger back and being willing to adapt.
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Scout Team [89]
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Jan 6, 2023, 8:45 AM
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Sure they can but nothing is assured. IMHO, this departing class has been disappointing. They came in with the highest recruiting ranking ever, but never lived up to the hype. Injuries and teamwork were problems. There may be something to be said about desire vs talent. For whatever reason now they are not getting the elite WR talent that was the hallmark of their great run. They need difference makers around Klubnick and Vizzina. When you have a Mike Williams, Tee Higgins, Sammy Watkins, or DeAndre Hopkins, then throw in Renfrow, Stoudamire, Rogers, or Scott, any offensive scheme will look awesome.
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Jan 6, 2023, 8:49 AM
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For those saying Clemson is still elite, I'm not sure. I think there are levels of greatness. Winning 10 games every year just means you are successful. Elite is the couple of teams that are gonna win that matchup against anyone anytime. Does anyone think Clemson would beat OSU, Alabama, or Georgia over the last 3 years? Or the next 3 years?
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Commissioner [1292]
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Jan 6, 2023, 12:09 PM
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You know those are the same words they used when Frank Howard retired and his record wasn't a tenth as good as Dabo has...something to consider!
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Mascot [16]
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Jan 6, 2023, 5:39 PM
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Clemson CAN absolutely return to elite status, but it WILL require Dabo to make some massive changes to the coaching staff and quit the nepotism. I'm not confident that will happen because Dabo seems incredibly stubborn and prefers to surround himself with a bunch of "yes men" rather than hiring legitimate assistant coaches who will bring in fresh ideas/schemes and develop players.
Would be nice to see him relieve Tyler Grisham and Thomas Austin of their duties this off-season and bring in proven WR and OL coaches, but we all know that won't happen. Dabo is soft and cares more about maintaining friendships than winning football games at this point. If next season ends up being like the last two, then it's time to bring the pitch forks out and run Dabo out of town while Clemson is still viewed as an attractive coaching destination and can bring in an elite head coach.
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