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Clemson Sports Icon [56238]
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Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:07 PM
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It would be best to remain silent as folks here are hurt right now and ??
Some are just coots taking advantage to jab us. Coots not heard from for a long time are posting today. Why is that?
Mostly I remain silent when folks attack players and coaches as I understand my thinking changes nothing.
Today I choose not to be cowardly.
I have read all the posts.
I believe Dabo was an unexpected miracle (not in a religious way).
He has shocked me (and the college football world). He has gone beyond football and got endless air play for being a solid Christian who is eager to proclaim that.
It is true many coaches could succeed at Clemson as Dabo has built the foundation for them.
Talks as to West and Ford from decades back are not relevant.
Beamer has money and is spending it like a kid in a candy shop.
I suspect he would bail and come here if asked. He is all in as to portal and NIL.
No offense to any here, but I 100% support Dabo.
He is a proven winner. I believe that in 2024 he is by far our best option.
Folks post as to how solid their Clemson heritage is. I enjoy reading that history as to yall, but Dabo's history to Clemson shades 99%.
I don't think there is a chance in Hades he will leave until he chooses to.
He knows more as to football than most of yall and even me. He understands Nil and portal better than us.
Folks act like the sky has fallen when we are beaten by a better team.
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meh...
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I think that is great and all, but Dabo's inability to change the way we recruit has left Clemson at a huge competitive advantage. He is the one that created the standard, and he refuses to maintain that.
Most people know Dabo is the right person, but he has to CHANGE!
Right now we are so hamstrung as a program its absurd.
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Campus Hero [13464]
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comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:17 PM
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with absolutely no real grasp of how things work on the ground. Think things are bad now? Wait until they run Dabo out, you'll see bad.
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National Champion [7529]
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:21 PM
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We’ve all seen bad. At least those of us old enough. I guess mediocre is better than bad. We’ll sit back, watch average football and let Dabo collect his multi millions and tell us how moral he wants things. Sounds like one of those mega church preachers.
I don’t want him run out of town. I want him to wake up and get off his high horse. The game has changed. No point in whining about the past and how great it was.
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:50 PM
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I guess you accept mediocre is our new standard now? Do you think going 9-3 is what we deserve as Clemson fans?
Stop being afraid of change. We need change.
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Solid Orange [1353]
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:34 PM
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Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Game Changer [1999]
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:34 PM
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Correct. We'll see in the upcoming offseason, after Clemson goes 7-5, if Dabo will swallow his pride, admit he was wrong, and be smart enough to start using the transfer portal. First thing Clemson will need is a new QB. Look at NC State, Miami, and Notre Dame.
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National Champion [7258]
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
Dec 16, 2024, 2:48 PM
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two out of three you mentioned didn't make the ACC championship or playoffs, and one barely made a bowl game.
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
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Lol I've seen bad.... losing seasons and numerous 6-7 win seasons when beating the coots was the highpoint of the season. It's slipping big time and Dabo needs to take a hard look again....it's like Neff or someone has tightened the pursestrings and won't go out and get a few proven players who would really help us. I watched it again tonight in the USC- LSU game....both teams brought some dudes in, and they made plays!!!
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Re: comments like this show that people speculate based on 'feelings'
Sep 2, 2024, 11:41 AM
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I disagree. If he doesn’t adapt and do what everyone else does, the bad you speak of is almost here. When that talent on defense starts fading like the offense, what then?
There are quite a few coaches that could replicate 21-23 type seasons for half the price. JMO
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Clemson Sports Icon [56238]
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its absurd
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:17 PM
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I disagree. I see that you are posting often after a loss, so guess you are sincere.
Maybe you just want us to bail on Dabo, and are emboldened?
He is not everyone's cup of tea.
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Re: its absurd
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:42 PM
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nope, as seen in my post above. I know Dabo is the right person for Clemson.
But he has to change in terms of recruiting and portal use. If he refuses to stay competitive, support will disappear.
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Game Changer [1999]
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Re: its absurd
Sep 1, 2024, 4:36 PM
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I will support Dabo unless and until he refuses to use the transfer portal in the upcoming offseason.
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I don't agree. I don't think the portal or NIL are the reason we have had a
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terribble offense going back several years now, or the reason we got beat like a drum yesterday. Sure, UGA is probably the deepest and most talented team in the country, but I don't believe that accounts for the gap in performance and results we saw.
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Re: meh...
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What is Dabo supposed to do when he tries to get a transfer and they choose elsewhere? Is he going to call YOU to get an extra $400K, $500K or $1 million to pay them to come? Which one of the emerging recruits is going to take a cut in their NIL to get one of their teammate's possible replacement to come in as a transfer?
Clemson has NIL money and the players that deserve it get it but there's not enough for everyone plus "the new money grabbing talented rent-a-players". When 65 - 75 Clemson athletes across all sports receive about $4 million annually, how is Clemson going to compete with O31-0 State that has $20 million in NIL to distrubute this year alone? Dabo and Clemson cannot squeeze "blood from a turnip".
Clemson last NIL disbursement that I could find as reported for tax purposes:. Note: athletes can have one or multiple NIL deals
509 total NIL deals for about 75 athletes across all sports.
224 NIL Deals valued < $999
163 NIL Deals valued $1000 - $9,999
117 NIL Deals valued > $10,000
If you're really interested, put your money where your mouth is and contact the 110 Society to support NIL.
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Re: Cowardly
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Tug, folks aren't reacting to one game. They are reacting to the last 3+ seasons. The expectations set in pre-season was this was the year that was going to be different, and you have to squint very hard to find anything "different" in a good way. We all love Dabo and revere everything he has done for us, but his refusal to adapt to change is no longer a quirky thing; it is having real negative consequences.
I likened this earlier to playing golf. When everyone was playing with persimmon woods, Dabo was kicking butt. But, when everyone else went to the latest technology, and Dabo stayed with the persimmon woods, he put himself behind in distance and accuracy and could no longer keep up. His refusal to modernize in order to keep up is hurting the program. I HATE saying that but I don't see any other explanation.
I still think he can turn it around and get it back on track. I just don't know if he has the will to do what it takes to do so.
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:28 PM
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I believe Dabo will do best for the team and winning. He has a solid history of change, so that argument is a non starter.
slwcu79®, you know I am a friend, I respect your thinking.
I don't believe he has refused modernization. He is not a fan, nor am I.
To give up on this team or Dabo because we were beaten by a better team is ~~
In ? years we had one 9 win season.
This debate is hard to have.
More fun would be to 2nd guess as to play calling and what we need to improve on.
App State is not a joke.
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:31 PM
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I respect you as well and know you are providing some good balance to the conversation. I just think if you are going to go out on a limb as a head coach of what once was an elite program and be the only one to do things your way, then you better deliver on the results. It is really hard to swallow that we have the only coach in America getting it right and the other 130+ just have it all wrong, particularly when results are leaning to the contrary.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56238]
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130+ just have it all wrong
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:03 PM
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Great point.
Maybe they do?
The season is just beginning.
This year we have what we have.
I think it to be a very good team.
I think the coaches will adjust and improve all things (as will all programs with good coaching).
I still see us a lock winning the ACC.
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National Champion [7529]
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Re: 130+ just have it all wrong
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:13 PM
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I think a “lock” is a bit optimistic. We certainly can win the ACC, but it’s going to be a battle just about every game.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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The results of the past 3 years say otherwise.
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:32 PM
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It's embarrassing.
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Clemson Sports Icon [56238]
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It's embarrassing.
Sep 1, 2024, 3:40 PM
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I hate you are embarrassed.
I wish TIGERS could win every game for you (suspect you have more fun if they loose).
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Rival Killer [2903]
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That's bogus. I want Clemson to win every game.
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:22 PM
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I don't like embarrassing losses due to addiction to an obsolete program model.
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Re: Cowardly
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It doesn’t matter what Dabo or you are a fan of. That mentality is exactly why we have dropped to the level we are playing at right now. It’s not about how you feel, it’s about finding ways to win games. You have to adapt and whether you like it or not, the game has changed. Dabo needs to swallow his pride and adapt or we will continue to be an average football team.
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Re: Cowardly
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Tug, folks aren't reacting to one game. They are reacting to the last 3+ seasons. The expectations set in pre-season was this was the year that was going to be different, and you have to squint very hard to find anything "different" in a good way. We all love Dabo and revere everything he has done for us, but his refusal to adapt to change is no longer a quirky thing; it is having real negative consequences.
I likened this earlier to playing golf. When everyone was playing with persimmon woods, Dabo was kicking butt. But, when everyone else went to the latest technology, and Dabo stayed with the persimmon woods, he put himself behind in distance and accuracy and could no longer keep up. His refusal to modernize in order to keep up is hurting the program. I HATE saying that but I don't see any other explanation.
I still think he can turn it around and get it back on track. I just don't know if he has the will to do what it takes to do so.
So do you believe it's the Portal /NIL
or Coaching?
Bc what I saw was more of a letdown from the coaching staff than a talent issue. Thus bringing in portal players wouldn't change anything.
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Glad to see you are still "lurking"
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Re: Cowardly
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I think many would say it is a multitude of issues and not just a few easy ones that turn everything around. Roster management, player development, playbook, coaching, culture (not sure players are as bought in as many want to think), leadership, accountability, money, etc..
This didn't unfold overnight and it is going to take some massive change and time to address. I think a holistic approach involving Dabo, administration, BOT etc. is needed to develop a long range plan that addresses the major gaps. Get deep into root cause analysis, identify the major contributors that make the greatest impact, and then develop operating mechanisms and tactics to address.
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Re: Cowardly
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The Clemson NIL $ needle has not moved much over the last 3 years as compared to the schools with large alumni bases either. Dabo can offer a every 4 or 5 star player that enters the portal but unless the money is available, they will go elsewhere.
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Re: Cowardly
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SIAP, but I did notice this tweet. I saw Dabo seek Walker out after the game, and wondered what they said to each other. Like Sentell said, cool moment. (didn't really know where to post this, so put it here).
https://x.com/jeffsentell/status/1830244968717533592
And btw, you guys can certainly win the ACC still.
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:30 PM
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We can win every game (as can others). When we meet UGA in the playoffs our chances will be improved.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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That's utterly delusional.
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It's not on the same planet with reality.
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Re: That's utterly delusional.
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You're utterly delusional 😁
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Wrong. I'm grounded in facts.
Sep 2, 2024, 11:20 AM
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Your fantasies are lying to you.
Even if so, we won't be good enough to play Georgia again this season.
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Re: That's utterly delusional.
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It's not on the same planet with reality.
Hmmmmmmm ...
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Re: Cowardly
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Dabo is a great man no doubt.
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 1, 2024, 3:34 PM
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Great share, TY!
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 1, 2024, 3:59 PM
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Thanks for sharing, and congrats on the win. Do not seeing us winning the conference, but would like to see us much improved by December. The coaches have their work cut out for them.
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 1, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Groundhog Day 2023... no thanks 
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Re: Cowardly
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Cowardly would be a great description of the offense we keep trotting out there
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:38 PM
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As I enjoy seeing who posts what -
Surprised to see Darling Peach take the coot side.
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 1, 2024, 4:44 PM
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What did I do now? With all due respect I think this is a case of mistaken identity as I've not poasted in several days
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Re: Cowardly
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I’ll disagree with on this all the way. I think the coots are the ones who are sunshine pumping still.
There’s no way a true Clemson fan would accept the way offense looked yesterday. If there isn’t a huge improvement in the next two weeks, we should be demanding change of some sort.
Clemson fans deserve better than what we saw on the offensive side of the ball yesterday. It’s been the same story for 4 years now. Stop believing this is the best we can be and start pushing for changes.
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true Clemson fan
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:17 PM
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I accept it as being beaten by a better team, happens all the time as every week 50% of teams loose.
By the standards you require as to being "true", I fall way short.
You are the real fan and I am ~~?
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 1, 2024, 3:50 PM
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"Beamer has money and is spending it like a kid in a candy shop.
I suspect he would bail and come here if asked. He is all in as to portal and NIL"
Please God tell me you aren't suggesting Shane Beamer come to Clemson in a coaching capacity.
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Re: Cowardly
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+3 in turnovers, 2 inside the 10 and was playing at home against a team that until yesterday I did not even realized played football. They won by 4. The transfer portal is apparently not being used wisely in their case. Beamer’s last season and unsure if he can make it all year.
Still makes me laugh that someone goes there thinking they are going to change things. They have only had a few good years, ever.
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Is 11-1 OK
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Sep 1, 2024, 4:12 PM
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or even 10-2? Not many teams will win 9 this year.
I watched lots of games this weekend.
Which games do yall see Dabo's Tigers as a looser in?
Which do you see him being out coached in?
Winning a football game is difficult.
Folks don't want to admit UGA is better than maybe all this year.
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Re: Is 11-1 OK
Sep 1, 2024, 4:25 PM
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Is now.
Disclaimer: I don't live in IF worlds.
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Re: Cowardly
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Thank-you, Sir; excellent post👍
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Re: Cowardly
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The coots missed UGA this year, but they have LSU and Bama to rip them a new one!!!
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Masturbatory nonsense.***
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Re: Masturbatory nonsense.***
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You can do better than a one line crap title.
Don't be shy, explain your non- Masturbatory thinking.
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Re: Masturbatory nonsense.***
Sep 2, 2024, 11:37 AM
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He can't
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 2, 2024, 1:47 AM
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As far as I am concerned Dabo is coach for life. I support however he chooses to navigate the ugly transition to either pro club or student-focused collegiate sport competing with only the also-rans. However, if he chooses the former, he is going to have to accept a pay cut, as NFL coaches do not make $11 million per year, and a substantial portion of our current coaching staff budget will have to be rerouted to player compensation.
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 2, 2024, 1:51 AM
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I don't mind getting beaten by a better team, but embarrassed....that's a different story. I love Dabo and he did a kickass job bringing 2 Natty's to our school when I wasn't sure I'd see another one, but it's time to adapt.
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 2, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Mediocre fans.... Is it 2007 again?
Heard the same crap about how we cannot do better, give me a break!!!
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Re: Cowardly
Sep 2, 2024, 10:26 AM
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AMEN!
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Re: Cowardly
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Sep 2, 2024, 11:36 AM
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That’s a great argument. But the game has changed and Dabo insists on his way, which I think it’s safe to say, ain’t gonna work. And the insane salary he is paid means he should be trying his best and do whatever it takes to field the best roster he possibly can. He isn’t even trying to do that. I think while we all appreciate and respect his accomplishments, I think resentment towards him is setting in for many fans. His gaslighting and sanctimonious attitude about the portal and NIL is not in good faith.
And his offense the last 4 years? I would love to understand what is going on there. I saw 2 programs with new starters last night, look as good as their predecessors at QB. Why does every other team I watch have offenses that look twice as fast and competent as ours? Everyone looks better than us.
Gut feeling says there is some very serious problems with our program. I don’t know what, I just know it makes zero sense.
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