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Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:30 PM
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Watched Ari Watfords film. Hear me out. I'm glad we got him, because he's a good player. I have to be honest and say I'm not sure how he's the number 1 edge rusher though. He's tall, lanky (in a good way), and has a very good nose for the football and how plays develop. Also understands technique pretty well. The one thing I keep noticing though is he isn't fast twitch at all. I know, I know. He gets to the QB, makes tackles, etc. I see that too, which is why I'm ultimately happy we got him. I'm just a little concerned at the next level he won't be twitchy enough to win those battles. I hate to compare him to lazy @$$ Clowney, but he looks similar to me but less get off. There was one play he did make it to the QB but the very average tackle actually blocked him way to easy. A guy that's 220 should be running circles around HS tackles. I know every DE we've had come through here hasn't been Vic Beasley, but I read the article and when I clicked on it I was excited for the #1 rusher, thinking he'd look unstoppable, like P Woods. Instead, I saw a guy with length that's a good player at that level and that's about it. Someone sell me on him. I'm totally open to being wrong. Have been before.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:35 PM
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How about this - if coach Rumph likes him I like him. He’s seen plenty of GREAT DEs. He wouldn’t offer if he didn’t think he was good enough.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:43 PM
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I think I'll just let the coaches think about all of that stuff. I don't give it a second thought.
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Re: There Is Much More To Worry About ---
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:44 PM
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Lets say your concern is the absolute truth. I just hope what Watford lacks in twitch....he makes up for it in space and ground coverage as well as superb vice grip tackling ability.
Another thing to worry about is if he is a one and done player.
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Re: There Is Much More To Worry About ---
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:58 PM
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Well, not concerned with being one and done. Dabo will pony up to keep players. Especially since we have no idea what the landscape will be in 2026.
As for the original post, while nice to see a DE run around a hs tackle, it's more important to me (in today's game) is space/ground coverage, setting the edge and actually making the tackle. His film, and I know we only get the highlights, he appears to come off blocks well. Jmho.
We offered him early. He does have a senior year. I will agree he needs some good weight. As for being 1,2 or 3 rated. That's kinda splitting hairs.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:52 PM
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He's not ranked the #1 DE in the country. His 247 composite rankings are #1 player in Virginia, #4 DE in the 2025 class, and the #30 overall player regardless of position. The headline about his commitment made me think he was the #1 DE in the country as well.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:58 PM
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On3 has him as the #1 DE but I think the composite rankings are more accurate. Anyway, if Dabo and Rumph want him, he should absolutely be good to go!
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 5:48 PM
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On3 had him #1 because the Coots were in the mix. Now he's a Tiger, On3 will go back in line with the others. Glad he's a Tiger.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:53 PM
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Lmfao every time I log on I’m reminded why I’ve taken a break from the boards. Just wish they made this easy to cancel so they can quit taking my money.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 8:10 PM
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Korey Foreman looked like he had a fast twitch. We all saw how that worked out! Doubt any of our coaches would read any scouting reports the TNET faithful would send!
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 5:04 PM
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True. But I have no objection to someone giving their opinion and wanting to discuss it.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 7:06 PM
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Sp to be clear you're saying you want slow twitch DEs because one example years ago of a quick twitch guy not working out at another school?
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Paul Strelow of Rivals...
Jan 25, 2024, 11:56 PM
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hinted at your concerns on the Plylar show, Thursday AM–
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Re: Paul Strelow of Rivals...
Jan 26, 2024, 7:36 AM
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I think Rivals has proven to be the worst of the evaluators of the 4 main services.
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Re: Paul Strelow of Rivals...
Jan 29, 2024, 7:30 PM
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What did he say exactly? I didn't get to listen
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He is #1 by On3
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Jan 25, 2024, 4:57 PM
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#3 by the main ones
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 5:06 PM
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Totally reminds me of Ricky Sapp .
I love getting the speed on the edge. His availability as a show rush_drop back pass wrecker is also intriguing.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 5:19 PM
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He looks similar to Clowney at 220-pounds………..?
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 7:05 PM
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Body wise. Tall, lanky. Thats all. Clooney was same body type but before he was lazy when he was good, he was clearly more quick twitch.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 7:09 PM
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 10:29 PM
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Listen I know Clowny is a coot but stop with the LAZY stuff. Dude was absolutely dominate during his time at SC. Did he quiet on his team in 2013? Yeah he did. He was looking towards the NFL but if we get any DE with something close the Clowny’s ability, sign me up.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 5:50 PM
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If he ends up top 30 in the country that would make him one of our highest rated d ends we've ever gotten.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 5:50 PM
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I’m sure he and his family love reading this crap
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 5:51 PM
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Nice try cooter.
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he's working on fundamentals
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Jan 25, 2024, 5:52 PM
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DLineU coaches will make him quick twitch
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 6:05 PM
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Here's an idea . Let the coaches do their job.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 7:03 PM
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When did I say fire them and make me head recruiter? Some of yall get so butthurt so fast it's hilarious. Like every kid we've ever signed is amazing and will always work out to be the best, because "Hunter Renfrow was a 3 star" or some junk like that. The thing that drives me nuts about this site is the extreme nature of opinions. I clearly said I'm glad we got him. I also think he's a good player. I simply don't see the quick twitch like you usually do with top 5 DEs. Quit acting like I said he sucks.
And also, this stupid idea that coaches can never miss or be wrong is also stupid. They are, oftentimes, and have been plenty. The reason we know Hunter Renfrows name is because he was the exception, not the rule. We wanted Korey Foreman before he decommitted, except now some of you with revisionist history like to think he sucked. There's zero telling how he would have turned out had he gone here or somewhere else.
Have a little nuance. The whole "coot" and crap arguments like this are equivalent to morons acting like kindergarteners. God forbid I give an honest evaluation of a player and want to discuss it. Sorry I didn't worship at the feet of our coaches and players.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 10:22 PM
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I beg to differ sir. You are a moron. Now back to cooterville. Be gone.
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"Beg to differ"....
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Jan 26, 2024, 12:13 AM
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followed by a personal insult & the standard accusation regarding fandom allegiance~at best you remedial adolescent level responce is a result of a frustrated inability to counter any of the statements made by the thread starter...at worst it's also an accurate projection—
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And you are who???????***
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Jan 25, 2024, 6:28 PM
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Re: And you are who???????***
Jan 26, 2024, 4:58 AM
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Not sure why who I am is relevant. I'm a fan, on a fan message board, same as anyone else. Who are you?
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 7:09 PM
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Having read all of this, still very happy to have him as at Clemson.
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Youre comparing the kid to a guy that was #1 NFL draft pick
Jan 25, 2024, 7:20 PM
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and in the league like 8-10 years as though it’s a negative.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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I watched about 10 minutes of film…I see a great player….with a ton of length, which is very deceiving when it comes to judging twitchiness…long limbs make it SEEM as if they are moving less quickly, but he has plenty of twitch and power.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 25, 2024, 8:52 PM
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Went back to watch his film and I think there’s plenty of body twitch - he needs to continue to develop in the lower half to add that extra gear. His motor is good and the upper body needs muscle but his hands/arms are quick and active. The Clowney comp feels right in the sense that he’s just flat-out taller than everyone in film
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So you are worried he may be like Clowney?
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Jan 25, 2024, 10:10 PM
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a guy who was SEC Fr of the year, won the Hendricks award So year, was 1st team AA(2nd time)and 1st team SEC his Junior year(final year), #1 pick in the draft, 10 year pro and still playing, 3 pro bowls, an All-Pro, and beat us all 3 years. You’re worried that he may be like that guy? Ok, got it.
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Re: So you are worried he may be like Clowney?
Jan 26, 2024, 5:01 AM
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Size of Clownboy, not plays like him.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
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Jan 25, 2024, 11:30 PM
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You coots know nothing about high school recruiting, mayo Beamer can only use the portal.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 26, 2024, 12:17 AM
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He's alot more of a technician than you are giving him credit for. He keeps the OLinemans hands off him and keeps leverage until he diagnoses the play. None of their DL is penetrating at a high clip I believe that's being coached that way to keep lbs clean. This kid knows how to maintain space, use his hands, diagnosis quickly, and has a nice burst once he finds the ball.
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Re: Controversial Ari Watford take...
Jan 29, 2024, 11:01 PM
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Clelin Ferrell wasn't really twitchy. Kevin Dodd, Austin Bryant weren't twitchy but all 3 were very good DEs at Clemson. I'd call Vic Beasely twitchy, Myles Murphy, maybe Shaq Lawson and Xavier Thomas early in his career.
But I'd probably take the whole list over twitchy Beasley. Beasley was so twitchy he twitched himself out of every play that wasn't a highlight reel. If he wasn't doing something spectacular he wasn't doing anything.
Give me a guy that can read and diagnose quick, hold ground or crash and hold ground, forces the play horizontal and is a sure tackler over a guy who averages .75 sack a game and has 2-3 total tackles a game.
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Let me decide if Controversial
Jan 29, 2024, 11:22 PM
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Yawn. It’s not controversial.
You’re not seeing what you expect.
Time will tell
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