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TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Color me surprised?***
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Re: Color me surprised?***
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Jul 14, 2023, 5:12 PM
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Yep, it's easy to recruit a championship team when you recruit as if there were no rules at all that prohibits wrong doings. Yes Sir, any school in the country can build NC team doing it the way that Tennessee does it!!!
It is my personal opinion that the NCAA is just as guilty of rules violations as Tennessee is bc, if a university has committed more than 200 violations, it shows that they don't respect any of the rules, and when the overseer of the rules fail to punish a school that has shown total disrespect of so many of the rules, that could only mean that they're just as guilty as the university that has broken more than 200 of the rules!!!!
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Re: Color me surprised?***
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Jul 14, 2023, 6:04 PM
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Wow... I guess there actually are some rules. And I thought TN just used hard work to get better. I guess I was wrong. Hahahahaha!!!
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Color me surprised?***
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Jul 15, 2023, 8:36 AM
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The NCAA clobbered Clemson football for much less in the 80’s, and the ACC piled on another year of probation!
Then I went to SMU and we got the death penalty (deserved) and the football program has never recovered.
Then I see what the NCAA does to UNC and Tennessee (our last 2 opponents), and see proof of a 2 tiered NCAA enforcement system!
After the Orange Bowl, the Tennessee fans were jerks, on par with UGA and coots!
Makes me proud of the way Dabo runs our program!
Go Tigers, Whoop Dook!
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 12:36 PM
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Can't wait to see what wins those cheaters have to vacate.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 12:51 PM
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It is the SEC…. Slap on the top of the hand. If it was any other conference they would throw the book at them.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 15, 2023, 7:58 AM
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I think you’re right ☝️
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 11:05 AM
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Bags of money from MacDonalds. Turn them in too.
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Re: Uhhh...that would be 0***
Jul 14, 2023, 4:07 PM
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They have to vacate all wins and individual records where the 16 sanctioned players participated. Those to be announced at a different time.
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I think I read that it will be the 3 seasons Pruitt was...
Jul 15, 2023, 1:12 AM
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at UT. Only 16 wins.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 1:42 PM
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8 mil is a joke. They should have gotten post season ban at the very least. Pitiful. Then again, that's today's college sports. Sad.
Respectfully, postseason bans aren’t super realistic anymore. They punish more parties than just the school. In 2020, LSU FB and Auburn BB essentially volunteered for them because that year was going to be a mess anyway. Outside of that, I doubt you’ll see many of them going forward.
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Now would be a great time for Tenn though***
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:00 PM
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Since the NCAA doesn’t want to punish players or coaches who weren’t around when violations were committed they better figure out a way to speed up the investigation process. Going forward there should be two penalties: No transfer portal usage allowed for 4 years; No NIL deals allowed for any players for 4 years. Scholarship reductions are meaningless with NIL and fines are meaningless for SEC schools awash in cash.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Since the NCAA doesn’t want to punish players or coaches who weren’t around when violations were committed they better figure out a way to speed up the investigation process. Going forward there should be two penalties: No transfer portal usage allowed for 4 years; No NIL deals allowed for any players for 4 years. Scholarship reductions are meaningless with NIL and fines are meaningless for SEC schools awash in cash.
Then you would still be punishing the players that did nothing wrong.
Coaches and administrators should have more skin in the game. Penalize the coach and AD's, fine the institution heavily.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 2:38 PM
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Life isn’t always fair buttercup. If a kid is deceived by a coaching staff that engages in violations, he can lay in the bed he made. You choose your school. If you choose poorly you can sit in the mess made by people you believed. Without cautionary tales as deterrents mistakes will continue to be made.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 3:45 PM
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The punishment should be so severe that nobody wants to risk it in the future. This is almost like zero punishment. I want uga to get their full measure of punishment, as well. Again, it should be a real deterrent to everybody, but it really should punish the schools who are guilty.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Agreed, if the punishment isn’t bad some would just do it anyways and pay the fine. $8 million is peanuts to the school
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 2:43 PM
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If you are a member school of the NCAA they can enforce rules on member institutions. You break rules you forfeit “advantages” other schools have. If a kid is getting an NIL deal he can’t play for a school the NCAA penalized. Since the school isn’t “providing” his NIL deal they surely don’t have to keep him around. Go play somewhere else. Now of course none of these violations should ever occur in the future since all of the payments will be legal under NIL and then the coaches won’t have to lie about the payments.
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Agreed. You would have to find a way to
Jul 14, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Reduce the roster which don't have any limits right now
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Re: Agreed. You would have to find a way to
Jul 14, 2023, 9:10 PM
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You have provided the correct answer.
Reducing the roster now, regardless of when the infractions were committed in the past, will get everyone to understand that consequences of cheating can still negatively impact the football program far into the future.
No existing players are affected. If existing coaches decide to leave and go elsewhere (which further punishes the school), then that is a further (well deserved) consequence that the football program must bear.
Finally, all contractual conditions for current coaches which stipulate penalties to a coach that leaves the football program for any reason are null and void. Too bad that the school’s football program will suffer more in this case.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:01 PM
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from a legal sense did the recipients of the cash payments report the income? This seems like as much a criminal case as an ethical case...
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I'm curious...
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:11 PM
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where on the Federal and/or State income tax return form would one report illegal inducements, improper benefits, and cash payments from a college or university?
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Re: I'm curious...
Jul 14, 2023, 1:18 PM
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Does anyone know which former head coach they are talking about?
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Probably Jeremy Pruitt***
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:29 PM
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Re: Probably Jeremy Pruitt***
Jul 14, 2023, 1:32 PM
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Definitely Pruitt.
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Re: Probably Jeremy Pruitt***
Jul 14, 2023, 3:29 PM
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easy to blame it on somebody you already cut from your program
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Re: I'm curious...
Jul 15, 2023, 10:16 AM
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It's Pruitt. Wikipedia is not gospel, but it's already on his Wiki.
Plus, all you have to do is determine who the head coach was during COVID (2020) and you have it.
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Re: I'm curious...
Jul 14, 2023, 2:21 PM
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miscellaneous income?
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Re: I'm curious...
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should be reported as self-employed income, line 1 on schedule C... were they really "illegal"? What laws did they violate, they violated NCAA rules and as a member institution, they got fined...
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:24 PM
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Chump change for ESpin schools. No vacating wins, no bowl ban, no nothing.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 3:50 PM
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Just a light tap on the wrist.
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Tennessee for the win. They woulda owed Pruitt $13M if they
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Had fired him just for being a bad coach; so, they made sure all of these infraction (which probably all of their former and current coaches are doing) became public info. They basically saved $5M; what a joke.
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Re: Tennessee for the win. They woulda owed Pruitt $13M if they
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Jul 14, 2023, 1:36 PM
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More proof that the NCAA is owned by the SEC.
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Re: Tennessee for the win. They woulda owed Pruitt $13M if they
Jul 14, 2023, 9:23 PM
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Tennessee also brought in their new AD (Danny White, from Central FL) in January 2021.
It is time frame for when TN started their “exemplary” cooperation with NCAA investigators.
Very likely that this move by Tennessee’s chancellor and trustees was made when they learned that Team Pruitt had been doing bad stuff. Looks like that move worked for both TN and NCAA (and most importantly, also for ESPN).
It’s all just a big whitewash that doesn’t impair the entertainment quality of ESPN’s broadcasts of SEC football broadcasts.
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Re: TNET: In todays world
Jul 14, 2023, 1:37 PM
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the NIL takes care of any payment problems. Just another form of bribery.
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Re: TNET: In todays world
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Pruitt’s wife use to work for the NCAA in compliance 😳
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Re: TNET: In todays world
Jul 14, 2023, 9:25 PM
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Correct. The NIL program obviates any traditional cheating schemes.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 1:39 PM
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Wonder what SCAR's fine will be?
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 2:05 PM
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So cheating pays.
No surprise there.
As long as you cheat and win more because of it, financially cheating makes sense.
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Ok so what exactly do you have to do to receive the Death Penalty?
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Jul 14, 2023, 2:24 PM
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Because this seems Death Penalty worthy to me. Does anyone know? Or because they are SEC they are immune to such penalties?
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Re: Ok so what exactly do you have to do to receive the Death Penalty?
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Death penalty means a TV ban.
No TV coverage for an SEC team means when they play Bama, UGA, LSU... those games cannot be televised.
No way that a death penalty will go to an SEC member, not even Vandy or Mizzou. It would impact their TV coverage and thus their giant pot of SEC TV moneys.
Keep the SEC money machine printing money at all costs.
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Re: Ok so what exactly do you have to do to receive the Death Penalty?
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Yep.
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Re: Ok so what exactly do you have to do to receive the Death Penalty?
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After SMU, there is no more Death Penalty!
Officially, it was committing another offense while on Probation.
Habitual offender….. Only used once, never again.
The NCAA would rather have Tennessee’s money, than destroy their program.
SMU was expendable…..
Some schools are more equal than others, just like communism….
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Re: Ok so what exactly do you have to do to receive the Death Penalty?
Jul 15, 2023, 5:16 PM
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The Death Penalty is Dead with NIL. Short of egregious/illegal behavior (PSU), I don't see how any of these little wrist slaps even matter...especially in the SEC.
What SMU did, what USC did, Reggie Bush's mom's house, etc...all of that would have been legal today given the wild-west created by NIL.
Cutting official recruiting visits? Cutting a few scholarships every year? Reducing hours of contact with recruits? Pretty simple to solve if you have the boosters that throw the cash at the problem.
"Sorry son, we can't get you on campus for the Alabama game, but how does an extra $6k sound if you come the following week?"
Pathetic. But again, I am proud of the way Dabo runs our program and proud of the accomplishments we have EARNED instead of tried to buy.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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28 scholarships lost over the next five years. Normally I would say THAT is about the only consequence of this punishment, BUT, with NIL, they can pay a player the equivalent of tuition and the problem is solved. Preferred walk-on status. So, no punishment whatsoever.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 9:30 PM
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With the combination of the portal plus unlimited NIL money, TN can run off any weak 2nd team players and buy top end replacements.
Teams that can arrange for big NIL money will get past modest level scholarship reductions.
No one will ever notice any decline in on the field play with TN football.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 2:51 PM
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That I is the SEC for you. I also think that more accountability and punishment needs to be for tge coaches and staff involved.
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Wonder if the $8M fine will affect Amick's NIL deal?
Jul 14, 2023, 4:03 PM
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Nm
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$40,000/infraction That should be in addition to losing...
Jul 14, 2023, 4:25 PM
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scholarships and Bowl games. 8 Million is a slap on the wrist.
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A LONG way from Cofer and Minor.....
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Just like UNC... penalty is a JOKE.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 4:37 PM
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Seems like the got off pretty easy
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 5:30 PM
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What no hookers this time? Must be slipping?
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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What no hookers this time? Must be slipping?
No, Danny Ford wasn't the coach over here.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 6:50 PM
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Boooo that man. Danny??? Only hookers he knows about are the ones for picking up bales of hay. I believe you should be referring to Miami or UGA. But then again, UGA players prolly refuse to pay to play afterwards.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Boooo that man. Danny??? Only hookers he knows about are the ones for picking up bales of hay. I believe you should be referring to Miami or UGA. But then again, UGA players prolly refuse to pay to play afterwards.
Don't know if it was my friend that played on the line over there or his dad that played there but one of them said when they were there one of Clemson's favorite recruiting tactics was the 'Tiger Girls'. They provided all the sex a recruit wanted in one of the little ways to lure them to Clemson. That's why I mentioned Danny Ford. Figured it might have been under him but it could have been much later.
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It takes a pathetic sports fan
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To come to our site and try to trash a Clemson icon over crap you have no idea about the truthfulness.
Especially from a program that Phil Fulmer ran. Talk about absurdities!!!
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Re: It takes a pathetic sports fan
Jul 15, 2023, 11:35 PM
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I DO know that Georgia Tech "lined" up "tutors" from the pep squad and cheerleading team to help their basketball players get through the academic year back in the late 80s and early 90s. That came from a GT cheerleader and a GT kicker that were both family friends. My guess is that this sort of thing runs, or at least ran, rampant in all of college sports. But to single out The Danny as a lone pimp is quite shameful and unexcusable. So there.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 6:09 PM
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~JKB
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 6:34 PM
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So when does the SEC levy the extra year?
LOL
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 15, 2023, 12:13 AM
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That only happens within the ACC!!!
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 6:49 PM
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And yet still out recruiting is. Or maybe this is why they’re out recruiting us.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 14, 2023, 7:21 PM
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I don't think that maybe has a place in your sentence bc, that is how they are out recruiting us, and it's bc we follow the rules!!!
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 8:13 PM
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Heupel is now the coach, not Pruitt. Heupel runs a clean program and will have to put even more emphasis on it over the next 5 years since UT is on probation. All the players that Pruitt recruited illegally transferred out the moment he was fired. UT had 31 transfers when Pruitt left. You was spanked by a bunch of recruits Heupel brought in.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 9:46 PM
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The overall institutional climate at TN makes cheating part of the culture at TN.
A private company that accidentally poisons civilians gets punished long after all managers and employees who were responsible for that poisoning had been fired. All Stockholders of that company during that time when profitability went into the tank got punished, even though most stockholders were not involved in the crime.
Now make the following substitutions:
University of TN for private company
Fans of teams that TN plays for poisoned civilians
AD and Head Football Coach of TN for all managers
Assistant coaches and football support personnel at TN for employees
TN boosters and fans for stockholders
Football team won / lost record for profitability
Now you understand why TN’s recent ‘get cleaned up’ initiative should not obviate far more consequential punishment than TN actually got.
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Should be the death penalty
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Jul 14, 2023, 8:02 PM
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absolutely blatant and disgusting
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
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Jul 14, 2023, 9:56 PM
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So.... just pony up 8 mill and get away with it... drop in a bucket... no real consequences... NCAA just cashin it in these days
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 10:34 AM
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I didn’t read your post before posting my own below, but it’s interesting that you wrote pony after I talked about SMU.
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Re: Who in the H___ do they think they are,
Jul 15, 2023, 12:18 AM
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UGA, Bama, FSU, USC, or Texas A&M? GoodGoogiddy Goo!!
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Keeping two set of books?
Jul 15, 2023, 6:04 AM
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It doesn't get much more sleazy than presenting a fake legal document while keeping the actual document hidden. Thugs.
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Re: Keeping two set of books?
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Jul 15, 2023, 7:56 AM
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So still bowl/playoff eligible. Guess the NCAA doesn’t want to punish the SEC in a whole if you think about it. So that’s means the VOLS are getting off with a slap on the wrist.
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Kirby switched to an Arby's bag for the $
Jul 15, 2023, 5:19 PM
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Hence they didn't get caught, and Pruitt did.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 8:22 AM
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Where did the coach’s wife end up?
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 19, 2023, 7:16 AM
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Not in my bed...though I do have a ginge tinge.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 10:32 AM
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Amazing, but I can guarantee Texas A$M was worse and nothing will be done to them once again. It’s always all about money and Aggie has plenty and they’ve been cheating since before time.
The coolest Aggie cheat was done with Eric Dickerson from Sealy, Texas. They bought him a brand new maroon Pontiac Trans Am and this was in 1979. He said he was signing with them and drove his maroon car through College Station to play for SMU. The Mustangs got the death penalty for not only paying players, but offering their own daughters as a form of prostitution to the players they were buying. Not their own actual daughters, but the daughters of their fellow alums and rich people. Either way, they deserved the death penalty.
FSU has been doing that for decades, too, but to ease their supposed consciences, they used Florida A&M girls instead of ones from their own school. Or, they were more racist and didn’t like the idea of offering white girls.
I love college football, but there’s places ya just don’t go.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 11:43 AM
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Pish. And tush-tush. Nothing two sea heir
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Daddy Haslem just laughed and looked under a seat cushion to pay that fine and move along. If they want to impose fines that will have any meaning it's going to have to start at 20 mil. Anything less is pocket change and the cost of doing business in the SEC.
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Re: TNET: NCAA fines Tennessee $8 million for more than 200 infractions
Jul 16, 2023, 8:11 PM
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Is this the same Tennessee who turned Clemson into the NCAA for cheating.?
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