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Tom Winkopp
Feb 4, 2014, 11:40 PM
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What are tigernet thoughts about this guy? I've heard good and bad.
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 4, 2014, 11:48 PM
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Potential sociopath comes to mind. But I'm sure that will get some panties in a wad.
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110%er [6492]
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He started killing Clemson long ago
Feb 4, 2014, 11:49 PM
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May as well let him finish the job.
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Classic carpetbagger ...
Feb 4, 2014, 11:58 PM
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I'm not sure where he came from. He just sort of oozed into town back in the 90s.
Since then he has been instrumental in practically every ill-conceived new development crammed into downtown Clemson.
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Vermont. But graduated in 1988.***
Feb 5, 2014, 12:00 AM
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Vermont, huh? Well that explains the "cheesiness"
Feb 5, 2014, 12:12 AM
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I had no idea he went to Clemson though.
Would love to see how his development ideas would go over in Stowe, VT ...
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Re: Dadgummit, I ain't done yet on this subject
Feb 5, 2014, 12:05 PM
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THAT was awesome 
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 5, 2014, 6:20 AM
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He's a friend of mine and I can tell you, he's given more money to IPTAY than everyone on here combined, he's a diehard Clemson fan and supports all sports. He is very generous and a great businessman. Is he perfect? No, neither am I or anyone else. Lay off him personally, this is a business deal. Tom would never do anything that would impact Clemson negatively.
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good luck.***
Feb 5, 2014, 8:24 AM
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 5, 2014, 9:06 AM
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I havent seen your name in a while. Must be painful to see the Tigers in 3rd in the ACC.
Also I am not shocked he would be friends with a loser like you.
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 5, 2014, 9:09 AM
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Thanks for your input, Tom!
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He might not ever do anything intentially to "impact Clemson
Feb 5, 2014, 9:14 AM
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negatively." Unfortunately, everyone has a different idea of what "negative" is.
And many people only care about making sure their wallet is very "positive."
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LOL...
Feb 5, 2014, 12:57 PM
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of course he has given a lot of money to IPTAY. Like you said, he is a businessman and thinks that if he keeps the University happy he may not get much negative reactions to his "business deal".
He is nothing but a money hungry person that does not care who his "business deals" impact. You just don't take a quaint little college town and turn it into a mini big city, especially with 2 lanes for traffic.
PS:not surprised you guys are friends
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Re: LOL...
Feb 5, 2014, 1:24 PM
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How would this turn Clemson into a mini big city? This is turning it from a tiny little downtown into a little downtown.
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So in your mind, Clemson is becoming a "mini big city?"
Feb 5, 2014, 3:52 PM
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Please.
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Tom Winkopp is not good for Clemson
Mar 6, 2014, 1:26 PM
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He is not good for this town, look at the crap he has made
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Legend [6726]
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You just posted the same exact thing in the same thread.
Mar 6, 2014, 1:28 PM
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You realize that right?
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guess he's out of bank-o-rupt***
Feb 5, 2014, 8:22 AM
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i beat him in tennis a few times
Feb 5, 2014, 3:05 PM
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He cant hit through the ball
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Re: Tom Winkopp : He is bad for Clemson
Mar 6, 2014, 1:06 PM
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Bad to have him in Clemson to mess up this town
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All-In [35206]
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No to this project!
Feb 4, 2014, 11:40 PM
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I think I speak for many when I say we love our little town on the shores of Lake Hartwell and having the hills in our backdrop. I'd be upset to see high rises and parking garages. I just don't believe it would fit. Keep that chit closer to the interstate.
And I get what some will say about get with the times you dinosaur. Cities evolve and populations grow, free enterprise, we're falling behind...blah blah blah. I don't care. Keep it the way it is! I've always feared the metro- expansion of our lovely piece of Heaven. Let's keep it that way!
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Tiger Titan [47389]
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Nah, you nailed it.
Feb 4, 2014, 11:55 PM
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It's an infrastructure problem. You can't add such housing without improving the already congestion flow.
But as long as some people make their dollar, I guess that's all that matters.
Or maybe a better question: since this is student housing, has the enrollment at Clemson increased so significantly that this meets a demand?
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Last I saw there were a total of over 20,000 students
Feb 5, 2014, 5:41 AM
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in all programs. I had no idea.
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LOL....I remember Bob Edwards speaking of a 10,000
Feb 5, 2014, 5:59 AM
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student future enrollment and thinking that incredulous.
Of course, that's because we only had about 4000+ when I was there, and we thought that was enough!
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Re: LOL....I remember Bob Edwards speaking of a 10,000
Feb 5, 2014, 9:08 AM
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Which of the Oaks @ Fort Hill did you plant?
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Now that my blood pressure is at Defcon 3 upon hearing this...
Feb 4, 2014, 11:59 PM
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Dagnabbit this will not stand. While they're at it, let's just pollute all the water sources and kill off all the fish like dumplumbia! Might as well bulldoze the Appalachian's cause it's in the way of westward expansion. Build big or go home, right Mr. Developer who is genuinely "keeping Clemson's best interest in mind." Grrrr! For fox sake! Leave it the way it is! More Mayberry and less Atlanta.
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Re: No to this project!
Feb 5, 2014, 9:16 AM
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Forget about the roads hell the sanitary sewer system downtown already struggles on gameday.
You add in that many people and it will not be good.
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AMEN!!! This will ruin downtown Clemson.***
Feb 5, 2014, 10:13 AM
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Just like the buildings near Esso "ruined" it?
Feb 5, 2014, 12:37 PM
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I remember those rants, and everything is still fine in that area, Esso is still packed every Friday and Game-Day, and the shade coming from the buildings is actually kind of nice in the summer.
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Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 5:52 AM
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work at the bottom of the hill near the old Astro III.
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Wrong ... it will be across from the Baptist Church
Feb 5, 2014, 11:31 AM
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It' not really near the Astro at all.
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I think the Carolina Real Estate office
Feb 5, 2014, 8:23 AM
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down the hill and across from the Astro (kind of). So even a tall structure will not appear that tall when it's at the bottom of a hill.
I think the additional traffic on College Avenue will more of an issue that the actual structure will.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:17 PM
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it's right across from Backstreets corner...they've already started construction actually & ripped down all those old eye-sore apartments & housing there.
it may be just too big, but the design & look of it will fit in well!
it's replacing that old chitty housing there, which IS good, but it's adding ALOT.
true: don't know if the sewer system can handle it there at that spot, because they're already in bad shape & get to stinking in the summer & hot months (even football season).
maybe it could be scaled down some in height/size & be a fit. the design looks nice & fits Clemson's red brick architecture.
i'm not necessarily for it, but something nicer in that spot would be a plus if it doesn't steal the view & our eyes becoming an obstruction.
traffic there is already screwed...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:25 PM
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Wait, so is this taking up the block which is surrounded by Earle, McCollum, Keith, and Finley Streets? If so, this is 100% perfect for that spot.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 16, 2011, 9:11 AM
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I thought it was right on College Ave, so that's why I'm asking.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:31 PM
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it starts on the way to the top of the hill there following the street up. catty-corner from Backstreets & Overtime's corner.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:29 PM
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it's the block between Earl St (i think that the street between Backstreets & Tigertown Tavern) & University Ridge (already a high-rise).
I look at the signs & poured concrete base structure & signs for the development every time i walk out of Backstreets...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:33 PM
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Ahhh ok, so they knocked down the old Lacrosse House? Are they going to cover up the parking lot back there too (hopefully)?
Personally, this is perfect. Let them develop this sort of area to the max so we can prevent sprawling out away from the campus even more.
P.S. Don't call the Ridge a high rise! It's 3 stories tall! Clemson House & Lever/Manning/Byrnes aren't even really high-rises in the grand scheme of things!
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:42 PM
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you know what i mean...being up top on the hill & seen from every angle.
this will be much taller apparently...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:43 PM
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UR is 4 stories i know on one end at least...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:44 PM
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True. But seeing as this is in the perfect location for this type of development, I don't know what the problem is. This will do nothing but improve downtown. I'd love to see that whole area built up.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:46 PM
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i've said the image & architecture fits!!! looks niiiice!
heck, i thought about finding out what they're going for to purchase
(rent it, or use, or live in it...)
cha-ching!!!!
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Get involved and stop this!
Feb 5, 2014, 8:40 AM
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Believe me the town and university care what you think. If this albatross goes up all the students living there will have their friends over Clemson weekends and you won't find a parking spot in downtown Clemson.
College avenue traffic will be worse and the merchants will suffer.
This thing looks a lot like the condos you find on the edge of USuC. Is that what we want for Clemson?
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Merchants will suffer? Its going to have retail on the
Feb 5, 2014, 9:19 AM
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street level. Exactly what you want in a small village environment. Residences above retail creating a walkable community. This is not some strip mall that people will drive to.
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Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:03 AM
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campus taller than this. This looks much better than those government housing looking dorms. I don't buy the whole traffic thing either. Its 2014 and not 1970 anymore and demand calls for more luxury student housing. Downtown has never looked better and stuff like this gets the 18 year olds including the athletic recruits more excited. Get over it. Progress happens.
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Re: Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:17 AM
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Well said
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Re: Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:18 AM
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There is nothing to buy with the traffic thing. It is a fact this will bring more congestion to downtown Clemson. To say it wont is just idiotic.
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ok so you develop a plan to deal with it....I don't see the
Feb 5, 2014, 9:21 AM
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size of the school shrinking...it's growing so you need more housing. Obviously there needs to be a partnership between the developers and the planners.
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Re: ok so you develop a plan to deal with it....I don't see the
Feb 5, 2014, 9:22 AM
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Develop a plan to deal with it?
So wonderful doesnt want to hurt Tom is going to also install and pay for infrastructure improvements to support this structure?
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develop a plan to deal with increased traffic
Feb 5, 2014, 9:38 AM
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increase people...increased services needed....growth doesn't just stop.
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Re: But it doesn't need to be in downtown clemson.***
Feb 5, 2014, 11:22 AM
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But "downtown" is almost always the best place for major developments in any area. This is much better than the developments like University Village, The Woodlands, The Retreat, Crawford Falls, or any of the other apartment developments which are miles away from campus. Those crappy places are classic Southern USA sprawl at its finest.
People say they "don't want this to turn into Atlanta" but don't realize that by developing in this manner (pushing students far away from the University, forcing them to drive to school, grocery store, parties, etc) you're doing the exact same thing that these nasty sprawl cities like Atlanta, Charlotte and Houston are doing (nobody lives downtown, therefore everyone drives to work, for food, parties, etc.). Especially when dealing with college students who are drinking a lot, it's best to create a centralized population.
Clemson is going to grow no matter what, so let's have it grow in a good way. By allowing new things to be built & old things to be renovated you reinvent downtown, not destroy it.
HOWEVER, by developing the beautiful fields and cutting down all the trees in the surrounding areas and filling them up with cookie cutter apartment developments, more grocery stores with even larger parking lots to accomodate all the cars the students are driving, you absolutely contribute to destroying what makes Clemson what it is.
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Re: But it doesn't need to be in downtown clemson.***
Feb 5, 2014, 12:40 PM
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dammmm...you are spot on Tmac...
we don't always agree, lol. BUT! you ARE correct here & the old has to be replaced with the new & not only covered up or blocked from view.
spreading out & adding to travel distance (eliminating walking possibilty & health plusses), making EVERYone drive to & from by building further away (& more cheaply) is what ruins our small towns.
keep it central! it will improve the image of that spot downtown from what I've seen of location & all...imho.
it will affect traffic & all, which is inevitable anyway & will have to be dealt with...along with parking both off & on campus. something like this may force the city to address the issues of traffic & the water system (& i'm sure CU will have to chip in on that).
all-in-all, it is something that will continue to happen downtown Clemson & we need to renew it & recycle it all & not just add to it on the outskirts repeatedly!
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Re: But it doesn't need to be in downtown clemson.***
Feb 5, 2014, 1:22 PM
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Glad we can agree!
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Re: Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:34 AM
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How is this going to bring more congestion to Downtown Clemson? It's already the #1 spot for people to go, so it's already plenty congested. By boosting the number of people who are able to walk there, you'll reduce the number of people taking cars into the area.
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Re: Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 4:28 PM
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Progress has never been easy around Clemson. There have always been those who want to stifle growth. It would improve the downtown area, if they could do away with some of the bars. Keep the drunk drivers off the road. Now that would improve traffic.
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a six/seven story building is a high rise????***
Feb 5, 2014, 9:16 AM
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Re: So if you don't already avoid College Avenue
Feb 5, 2014, 9:30 AM
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I think it's difficult to call anything that's 4 times longer as it is tall a "high rise".
Anyways, I think this sort of thing is good for Clemson as long as they can promote more walking amongst the students. I wouldn't mind seeing more of these developments pop up along as long as they stick around College Ave.
It would be great if it could be developed to the point of a decent-sized supermarket (sans the mega parking lot) moved downtown, and could be accessed by foot by students living in the area. The less cars clogging up downtown the better. The weather of Clemson is almost always good for walking. It's sometimes too hot in the summer, but almost never too cold in the winter. The time in between all that is perfect.
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I don't know if Tigernets where you'll get the best opinions
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I don't live in Clemson and this is my first time hearing about the project but I'm not against it as a whole. First six stories is not a high rise. I think the length of the building might be slightly too long but the height doesn't bother me. Tom, why not include retail like other projects downtown. I would support the building if it had housing plus retail and/or offices on the first floor. How about a small community type grocery so people living downtown can walk for basic groceries? I don't see traffic to be as big of an issue as these ppl in the video. It will inc walking downtown and help restaurants dt. It will also help campus parking which is a nightmare as most will walk to class. The student body at Clemson is much more diverse than when a lot of people posting probably attending. Can we please quit personal bashings and the stupid Yankee comments. I grew up my whole life in SC and am a proud southerner but no reason to offend ppl from other parts of the country who share a love for Clemson. Most of you with hatred comments probably don't realize Thomas Green Clemson, the patriarch of the university, was from Pennsylvania.
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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I grew up in Clemson and still have family there. College
Feb 5, 2014, 10:34 AM
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avenue is a beautiful line of 1-2 story old brick buildings. It looks and feels like a college town. This crap started with that ugly parking garage/condo. It is an eyesore and now people think an even taller and uglier building is OK.
If you want our business area adjacent to campus to look that way perhaps you should become a USuC fan cause that is exactly what they have.
I don't care if if is shorter than the high rises. 3+ story buildings do no fit our downtown.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: I don't know if Tigernets where you'll get the best opinions
Feb 5, 2014, 10:59 AM
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Also, I'm 100% for the idea of a grocery store in the area. More housing & a grocery store would be key for downtown Clemson.
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Re: I don't know if Tigernets where you'll get the best opinions
Feb 5, 2014, 11:28 AM
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Downtown is full of retail!!! You to d@mn lazy to go half a mile to get groceries???
D@mn yankees
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: I don't know if Tigernets where you'll get the best opinions
Feb 5, 2014, 11:53 AM
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Yes there is some retail downtown...but it's not like there is a ton. There could be more bars, restaurants and shops.
Where is there a grocery store within walking distance of downtown? Or even a half mile away from downtown?
What's so lazy about wanting centralized development? It's hard to criticize us "yankees" when our cities mop the floor with their peers in the South when it comes to urban development style.
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Game Changer [1853]
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Y'all should really write to city council and tell them your
Feb 5, 2014, 10:27 AM
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feelings. None of us here in Clemson object to a project being built, but to the sheer size and number, not to mention the design. Somehow we all missed the boat on this. The land has been approved and BAR already had it's first hearing. Last night was to be the final approval, but thank goodness they tabled it. They need to hear from all of us, not just residents. Traffic; come to Clemson during any regular day and you'll see its not just football days that its congested. We're supposed to be a small "family" town, what do we want with a huge mega structure with no character?
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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Agree - write the City of Clemson - here is the address:
Feb 5, 2014, 10:37 AM
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City of Clemson
1250 Tiger Boulevard
Clemson, SC 29631
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Orange Elite [5492]
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Re: So if you don't already avoid College Avenue
Feb 5, 2014, 11:03 AM
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He's Mickey's boy
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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GREAT place for something like this would've been ON campus!
Feb 5, 2014, 12:25 PM
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over between Hwy 93 & the fire station road...as you come in on 93 to the left, before Calhoun Courts.
tear down those ugly, old, rotten family-housing/student apartments there & improve them & that part of campus!!!
downtown is getting crowded for sure.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Oh grow up
Feb 5, 2014, 12:34 PM
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Traffic in Clemson is pretty much nonexistant, I drive through it about 4 or 5 times a day and have almost never had issues. The only thing that ever slows me down is having to stop at a red light when there is no one coming from the other directions because it is set on a timer instead of having a pressure sensor.
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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traffic lights...LOL! so true! :-D
Feb 5, 2014, 1:01 PM
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traffic is relative to your needs in downtown i guess.
i never have much problem myself either...then again, i'd like to think i know ALL the shortcuts
there's been plenty of times i've used the parking garage & i see it's benefit, plus doesn't hurt the all around image of downtown, imo.
the best solution to not add to parking would simply be to epxand the road down past Keith St & then merge into College Ave. Also have the other entrance exit not join into Earl St & College Ave until up at the red light by the President's mansion...problem solved for traffic.
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Re: Oh grow up
Feb 5, 2014, 4:08 PM
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When you grow up, will the reading comprehension improve?
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Is there an anti petition?
Feb 5, 2014, 1:55 PM
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I'd sign that
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: Is there an anti petition?
Feb 5, 2014, 2:14 PM
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haha my thoughts exactly
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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Are you Tom W or related to him? Or a Gamecock?
Feb 5, 2014, 2:34 PM
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I have no problem with a 2 (maybe even 3) story reasonably sized building but that thing looks out of place with College Ave in Clemson.
Would look great next to USuC as they already have some similar condos. Is that what you want?
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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i know i don't spend enough time around USuCk & area
Feb 5, 2014, 2:43 PM
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or campus to know what that craphole even looks like...other than escaping the coots after the game around the roach!
the building would be back off the street from College Ave. & up on the side of the hill. I don't see where it would hurt the view or trash the image when it matches so much of campus architecture built recently (& coming soon where JohnStone dumps are currently). it's what everything around Clemson & campus looks like now...
with all the trees still & greenery, what makes it an eye-sore?
so far, all the improvements that everyone has been so against for nostalgia-sake have turned out to look great & be functional...
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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I am not against new buildings but I think it is too tall
Feb 5, 2014, 2:50 PM
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and too big. Downtown is generally 1-2 stories. Putting it on a hill just makes it taller. My understanding is that one end is on College Avenue. Do you have a map/link to exactly where it is?
I just don't think it fits in downtown. I think it will look bad and just lead to more tall building.
The parking garage/condo is an eyesore and should never have been allowed. Other than that, I don't think there is a building downtown over 2 stories.
Unfortunately I live near Columbia and have to go on USuC's campus a few times a year. I hold my nose and try to close my eyes but I have to drive. This building is just like they condos that have gone up near Greene and Sumter. Literally makes me sad to see Clemson turn into that.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: I am not against new buildings but I think it is too tall
Feb 5, 2014, 2:55 PM
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I do agree about that other big project downtown, which I think is by Winkopp...I loathe parking garages (which apparently will be covered up in this development) and that is a pretty big offender.
To be perfectly honest, I don't love what Winkopp does, but I don't have a problem with the scale. If anything, I think people should be mandating he improve the design of projects in order to do things like hide the parking garages.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: Are you Tom W or related to him? Or a Gamecock?
Feb 5, 2014, 2:47 PM
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If you read above, it actually appears this won't be directly on College Ave, but up on the hill across between Backstreets & The Ridge. I remember going to the Lacrosse House back in my days at Clemson (2004-2008) and there was this really, really dumpy old apartment building back there which appeared to have been abandoned.
According to what I've read on this thread, that will be destroyed, along with the Lacrosse House and parking lot in that area behind TTT/356. So it'll actually be off the main road.
I love how it's come to the point where you're actually suggesting: "You wanna building with more den tree stories in Clemson??? YOU MUST BE A COOT!" Come on guys, this is not some insane development. How much did you guys freak out when UV was proposed? That houses like 2,000+ people.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Most colleges have similar condos
Feb 5, 2014, 3:54 PM
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and most of them do it much better than South Carolina did.
There are buildings like this in Knoxville and Athens and both are still great towns that I enjoy visiting.
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Re: Most colleges have similar condos
Feb 5, 2014, 4:01 PM
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I would say that 99% or maybe 100% of the condos in Knoxville were existing buildings made into college condos, not new development
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Scout Team [153]
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1100 signatures...1200 needed!! Sign it!!***
Feb 5, 2014, 3:48 PM
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Game Changer [1853]
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Tried and it totally messed up my pc so i'm writing a letter***
Feb 5, 2014, 2:01 PM
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Athletic Dir [864]
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Re: So if you don't already avoid College Avenue
Feb 5, 2014, 2:30 PM
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oh my, that building is hideous and looks out of place. Where will the occupants park?
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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maybe they'll build a parking garage where the U.Ridge
Feb 5, 2014, 2:34 PM
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parking lot is...
that'd work! down in a hole anyways behind the tall apartment buildings there & going up there anyways...
traffic redirected AWAY from downtown...DONE!
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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Re: maybe they'll build a parking garage where the U.Ridge
Feb 5, 2014, 2:36 PM
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Yeah - away from downtown and through a residential area. There is no easy out from back there and the roads are 20-25 mph and not designed for a lot of traffic.
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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Re: maybe they'll build a parking garage where the U.Ridge
Feb 5, 2014, 2:50 PM
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lived them & driven them for decades...they serve the purpose, however residential in areas. they've been repaved & in great shape.
BUT, if the traffic came out at the red light by the Pres Mansion (nobody likes the speed-Humps back there in the neighborhood anyways...
AND, if they would extend the street that Grouchos Deli & AT&T building are on around the other side of the Dr's office behind 101 Keith St...it would alleviate congestion in the middle of downtown (already part of a one-way circle), could add some parking, deliver traffic to merge into 4 lanes & not 2, plus wouldn't take away from the all around scene or view.
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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The University needs to revamp the dorms to make them fit
Feb 5, 2014, 2:40 PM
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the times. Students want their own bedroom and bathroom and a pool and other amenities. The university needs to get students back on campus where they belong.
At while we're at it bring back 18 as the drinking age. I honestly think the move to off campus happened at the same time as the drinking age because it is easier to drink under-age off campus. Before we walked to and from downtown drunk. Now kids (and everyone else) risks a DUI or the frats have to employ their pledges as DDs.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: The University needs to revamp the dorms to make them fit
Feb 5, 2014, 2:50 PM
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Well there's always going to need to be off campus options...so using your train of thought that we need to get students back towards the campus (which I agree with 100%), this would be the perfect off-campus option. It's not one of those ridiculous developments 5 miles away from campus. It borders the campus and downtown Clemson, which will add life to the streets of DT & keep Bowman Field active all the time.
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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Re: The University needs to revamp the dorms to make them fit
Feb 5, 2014, 2:58 PM
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THAT'S an IDEA!!!
works in Europe...kids drinking & "getting that out of their system" is done when they're all too young to drive & walking! does away with lots of stupid decisions made by rebellious youth partiers.
yeah...try getting that to float, good luck!
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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is ON College Ave - Link to Plans
Feb 5, 2014, 3:01 PM
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http://www.cityofclemson.org/sites/default/files/planning/BAR/SITE%20PLAN%20%281-23-14%29.pdf
Look on the left side - it is on College Ave with two entrances. There is a back entrance that leads out to Finley.
According to my relatives in Clemson if you are standing on College Avenue it will be to the left of Lynch's Drug (now a Hallmark store). They will be tearing down the small shopping center that is currently there.
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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And they only way out of Finley is back to College Ave
Feb 5, 2014, 3:03 PM
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via Keith or Earle.
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Legend [6726]
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I think it's safe to say right now no one knows where it
Feb 5, 2014, 3:05 PM
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will be since now we've heard: 1) across from the astro, 2) where the old lacrosse house is, and 3) across from the parking garage (where that small shopping center is)
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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Re: I think it's safe to say right now no one knows where it
Feb 5, 2014, 4:56 PM
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it may be different projects they're working on altogether...
but there IS currently construction going on behind Tigertown Tavern across from Backstreets.
also across from the tennis building.
haven't seen anything happening at he hallmark BGR building, and the old Keith Street Pub is being renovated again...
this is now, currently in process.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: is ON College Ave - Link to Plans
Feb 5, 2014, 3:34 PM
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So it looks like it's going to be directly next to that strip mall which houses Peppinos and behind Keith Street...
If that's what it is, I'll still take it. I'm interested to see that other development that JBthe1Tiger was referring to....I just hope I can make it back to Clemson within the next few years hah
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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Re: is ON College Ave - Link to Plans
Feb 5, 2014, 9:51 PM
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They are tearing down that strip - that is exactly where it is going.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: is ON College Ave - Link to Plans
Feb 6, 2014, 9:30 AM
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Even better! The little strip mall is ugly as heck...this will boost foot traffic there by a large amount. I wouldn't mind seeing this done in more spots downtown. The entire two blocks surrounded by College Ave, Keith St, Earle St, and Finley St would be perfect for renovation. Load the bottoms up with retail (restaurants, bars, shops, pharmacy, etc) and the upper 2-3 floors with apartments. Drop a small grocery store (with no parking, forcing people to walk to the area) directly across from the old Keith Street Bar, and you've got yourself a fantastic downtown, brimming with students & life.
While people will scoff about the congestion this will cause, remember, these students aren't coming out of thin air. They're simply being reallocated from further away apartment developments...thus meaning they'll be less likely to use their car to go downtown. This concept, while increasing density downtown, would probably decrease traffic.
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Tiger Titan [48541]
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LOL at the people complaining about this.
Feb 5, 2014, 3:50 PM
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First of all, it's not a high rise. High rises are at least 8-10 stories tall. This is considered a mid-rise building.
Second, it will not "disrupt the fabric" of downtown Clemson. The experience of downtown Clemson is due to the college town vibe, the location adjacent to campus, the local bars and retail establishments, and the walkability. Building height has nothing to do with this.
As real estate values increase, buildings slightly taller than 1-2 stories might need to happen. A 20 story building would look out of place there. This won't. Time to get Clemson out of the 1950s small town mentality.
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Scout Team [153]
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Have you looked at the renderings?
Feb 5, 2014, 3:56 PM
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I would guess not ... Might want to.
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Tiger Titan [48541]
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Yes, I have. What about my post makes you think I haven't.***
Feb 5, 2014, 4:08 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: LOL at the people complaining about this.
Feb 5, 2014, 4:09 PM
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I would love to have several small-footprint apartment towers in downtown to be honest haha but that's because I love cities...but yea, those who think this is a "big" development need to get some perspective as to what constitutes big. This isn't even one of the largest developments in the Clemson area...again, as I mentioned, nobody seemed to be up in arms at giant developments like University Village.
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Paw Warrior [4689]
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UV is in Central and NOT downtown Clemson
Feb 5, 2014, 4:25 PM
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The downtown Clemson area does not need this building. Traffic along 2 lane College Avenue is already too congested even on a normal weekday.
I'd have no problem with the proposed building if it was somewhere else in Clemson...such as the old Holiday Inn property on Tiger Blvd.
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Tiger Titan [48541]
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Main St in Downtown Greenville is 2 lanes.
Feb 5, 2014, 4:39 PM
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It is a much more popular destination for businesses, tourists, and residents than College Avenue in downtown Clemson, and has many more cars, businesses, taller buildings, and pedestrians. And it is very approachable and handles two lanes of traffic just fine.
So why do you believe that the two lane College Avenue in downtown Clemson will be negatively impacted by this mid-rise building?
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Paw Warrior [4689]
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Downtown Clemson was not designed for this development
Feb 5, 2014, 5:09 PM
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Greenville and most large cities were developed in blocks which have parallel streets to aid in moving traffic in and around the center of downtown. There are no such open streets on College Avenue where this building is proposed. The closest streets are Edgewood Avenue, Sloan Street, Keith Street, Riggs Drive, the one way Sloan Street and the one way road just in front of the Baptist and Presbyterian churches.
In other words, there is not a convenient way to avoid the traffic caused by the proposed building.
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Scout Team [153]
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As a CU grad I don't want our downtown to be like Greenville
Feb 5, 2014, 5:28 PM
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Don't get me wrong downtown Greenville is lovely....we just don't need that in Clemson.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: UV is in Central and NOT downtown Clemson
Feb 5, 2014, 4:50 PM
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I'm not sure why people think this is going to cause a ton of congestion in the area. If anything, this will potentially relieve congestion in the area since it will move more people to the sidewalks instead of the road.
Here's a solid comparison IMO. I used to live in Boston before moving to Brasil, and in my neighborhood there was a 2 lane main street which in a way could sort of be compared to College Ave:
https://www.google.com/maps/preview/@42.352388,-71.131917,3a,75y,189.46h,80.4t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sR0lAfEBEwDLh1pbixIG7sA!2e0!6m1!1e1
Granted, I think that picture was taken around 6am, because it's usually considerably more crowded than that and has a lot more foot traffic, but if you look at it, there are parallels in the sense that there are only two lanes and only a little bit of parking on the side of the road. This street can have some traffic, but honestly it's no worse than College Avenue, even on a hectic friday night.
Using Census Map stats (http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/map), the Census Tract for downtown Clemson stretches from the Esso Club all the way down to the intersection of 93 & 123. There are 3,569 people living in that 1.14 square miles. Conversely, in the 0.8 square miles surrounding Harvard Ave in Brighton, there are 24,285 people...more people doesn't necessarily mean more congestion.
I'm not suggesting Clemson will ever get like this, nor should it...but the idea that this project is going to destroy how downtown functions is ludicrous.
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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THIS clip explains it ALL!!! 2 buildings....
Feb 5, 2014, 5:12 PM
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1 already under construction behind TTT's & Backstreets(same facade) & the "Dukes Center" going up next off Keith Street.
sounds like a done deal to me...
sorry, next one with link 
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So glad you said this!!!
Feb 5, 2014, 5:26 PM
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UV is huge....in a very open location! This is jammed onto a corner....exactly why I asked if anyone had viewed the rendering!! Clemson is unique because downtown is quaint.... This isn't quaint. Very appropriate....just now on that downtown corner!
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: So glad you said this!!!
Feb 5, 2014, 8:49 PM
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Yea but UV cut down acres upon acres of trees and everyone just drives to campus, grocery stores, etc. It's a terrible use of land. All of those developments are.
What's "jammed" about this development? I guess I just don't see eye to eye to you on that. It's adjacent to a couple of buildings and is then open on the other side, if I'm not mistaken.
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All-In [27366]
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LOL at the people LOLing at the people complaining about.
Feb 5, 2014, 5:33 PM
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I'll take 1950's and Andy Griffith over 2010's and Miley Cyrus any day of the week.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: LOL at the people LOLing at the people complaining about.
Feb 5, 2014, 6:38 PM
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It's ironic to see you pine for the old days while reaping the benefits of modern technology.
Enjoy polio, 80% income tax rates, segregation and rampant racism. Yay 50s!
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High rise condos on College Ave do not equal progress
Feb 6, 2014, 9:38 AM
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For all of you making it sounds like some us yearn for the days of black and white TVs.
High rise building have been around a long time and are perfectly appropriate in the right places.
Downtown Clemson is not downtown Columbia SC (Thank God!).
I have NO problem with the development of this land for housing. However, I think it should be limited to 2 stories and the overall number of units needs to be evaluated for the traffic it will create - and how that traffic will flow.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: High rise condos on College Ave do not equal progress
Feb 6, 2014, 9:45 AM
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I agree there should definitely be traffic studies, and I'd even go so far as to say I'd like to see another road perhaps connecting Goode Ln to Finley St.
However can we not call this a high rise condo? If you want to say it's too big, fine. However there's nothing "high rise" about a 3 story building. High rises start at 10 stories at the lowest. I live on the 18th floor of my building...that is a high rise.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: It is 6 stories, not 3. Link.
Feb 6, 2014, 1:23 PM
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Nice, thank you very much for that. I'd still refrain from calling it a high rise, but I don't deny that that's a big building, especially for downtown Clemson. I would like more buildings of this height, but perhaps not taking up so much land area. I'd prefer it be on a smaller block.
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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The West side which will be directly on College Ave is 7
Feb 6, 2014, 1:21 PM
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stories on the left (downhill) and 6 on the right. The building is not set back much at all from College - it is right on the street.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: The West side which will be directly on College Ave is 7
Feb 6, 2014, 1:24 PM
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To me, that's perfect though. If we're going to have developments downtown, they should come right up to the sidewalk. That's what invites pedestrians and creates better street life.
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Paw Warrior [4906]
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We'll have to agree to disagree - 6-7 stories is too much
Feb 6, 2014, 3:18 PM
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for me. I lived in Clemson from the age of 2 and graduated from Clemson. My parents still live there and I have season tickets. I love Clemson like a person probably shouldn't love a "thing". And I think 6-7 stories is 4-5 too many stories and will look like USuC - which I passionately hate.
I am not opposed to "progress". I am opposed to something I believe is incongruous with a place I think is the most beautiful in SC.
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Dynasty Maker [3433]
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Re: We'll have to agree to disagree - 6-7 stories is too much
Feb 6, 2014, 4:31 PM
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Fair enough
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Clemson belongs to the people.....
Feb 6, 2014, 5:37 PM
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....and apparently the people want cheap rental property. Go figure.
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where was he? what was he wearing?***
Feb 7, 2014, 4:23 PM
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Tom Winkopp Re: So if you don't already avoid College Avenue
Mar 6, 2014, 1:12 PM
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That guy is messing up Clemson
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And you can never get it back.***
Mar 6, 2014, 2:46 PM
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