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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Why won't DEMS end the Gov't Shutdown?
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:22 PM
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What is their answer to why they won't just pass the clean CR and get on with business without holding American citizens hostage?
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Nobody believes republicans will separately negotiate extending the ACA credits.
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:27 PM
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HTH
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Re: Nobody believes republicans will separately negotiate extending the ACA credits.
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Then shouldn't they pass the CR and put PUBS to the test publicly for everyone to see if they do or don't?
If Pubs failed to take up negotiations it would be a decisive victory for DEMS politically.
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Shutting down the government to protect pedos was a self own for republicans***
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:32 PM
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Dems shutting down Gov't is a self own for Pubs?
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:35 PM
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That's total nonsense.
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Rival Killer [2863]
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So we shouldnt have extended Trumps tax cuts,
Oct 21, 2025, 11:29 PM
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since those were temporary? Why did Republicans extend those? If they were so important, why didn’t Republicans make them permanent?
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Re: So we shouldnt have extended Trumps tax cuts,
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Oct 28, 2025, 9:13 PM
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Seems like it’s the Democrats are in a state of high anxiety because of how the Democrats managed the ACA / COVID add-on legislation in the first place.
If the Republicans were also in a state of high anxiety because of their previous legislative approach, then there might be another story.
Alas, there’s not.
The entire story is about the Democrats shutting down the government because the Democrats embedded the kill-switch in the ACA / COVID add ons.
It’s your serve.
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Rival Killer [2863]
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Was there a point somewhere in that gibberish?***
Oct 28, 2025, 10:54 PM
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Why won't PUBS negotiate with DEMS to end the Gov't Shutdown?
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:31 PM
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Compromise is a part of democracy.
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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DEMANDS are neither negotiation or compromise.
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Oct 21, 2025, 3:38 PM
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Check the definitions.
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Re: DEMANDS are simply a starting position for negotiations. Semantics.***
Oct 21, 2025, 3:43 PM
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Re: And you think the Pubs arent making demands?***
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Oct 28, 2025, 9:15 PM
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On this particular one, I.e., the one that is relevant to the govt shutdown at the hands of the Senate Democrats, the only ‘demands’ that matter are those from the Democrats.
It’s a week later; the political optics are not going well for Team TDS.
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Re: Why won't PUBS negotiate with DEMS to end the Gov't Shutdown?
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Oct 25, 2025, 5:59 AM
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Negotiate after you reopen the government. Republicans have done this type of thing as well, but no changes can be made and the government can be open.
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Why wont the Republicans pass an actual appropriations bill??***
Oct 21, 2025, 5:06 PM
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The GOP wanted this shutdown. They actually like it....
Oct 22, 2025, 11:06 AM
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They could nuke the filibuster tomorrow and end the shutdown in 10 minutes. But they won't, because The Leader must be obeyed.
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Dems are gonna lose their voter base
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Oct 24, 2025, 12:05 AM
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Lotta states have already paused SNAP and WIC benefits.
Dems can stop pretending they care about the poor now......
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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You think people who get SNAP and WIC
Oct 24, 2025, 12:09 AM
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are going to blame the Democrats for Trump not paying their benefits?
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Re: You think people who get SNAP and WIC
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Oct 25, 2025, 6:01 AM
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Trump pays their benefits?
That mindset may be part of the overall problem.
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Re: You think people who get SNAP and WIC
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Oct 25, 2025, 6:33 AM
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Exactly. Wow.
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Ultimate Tiger [37218]
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Re: This is such a weird and sad way to
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Oct 25, 2025, 9:46 AM
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The sad part is that you think I'm arguing semantics.
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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Because that's exactly what you're doing
Oct 25, 2025, 9:56 AM
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Yes — this one is much closer to a pure semantics argument.
Let’s break it down carefully:
1. The Statement
“You think Trump pays their benefits. That mindset is the problem.”
2. Core Mechanism
This statement is not really contesting facts about who actually funds benefits.
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Challenging the phrasing — “Trump pays their benefits” — as misleading or conceptually wrong.
Implying that the way the other person is talking about the issue reveals a flawed understanding of how government programs work.
3. Why It’s Semantic
The speaker is focusing on the language used (“Trump pays”) rather than directly debating policy substance.
It’s correcting a framing — suggesting that no president personally “pays” these benefits; it’s a government program funded by taxpayers and authorized by law.
The key move is: “That mindset [i.e., the way you conceptualize who pays] is the problem.”
This makes the meaning of the phrase “Trump pays” central to the dispute.
4. No Empirical Claim
Unlike the previous example, this statement does not make a prediction about behavior or outcomes.
It’s purely about the conceptual accuracy of language.
✅ Conclusion
This is essentially a semantics argument — the disagreement is over how the issue is phrased or framed (“Trump pays”) and what that phrasing implies.
Type of argument: semantic / framing dispute.
I was never a chatgpt guy until posting on this message board more frequently, but man it really does an amazing job of highlighting how wrong a lot of you guys are about basic things.
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Ultimate Tiger [37218]
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Re: Because that's exactly what you're doing
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Oct 25, 2025, 10:30 AM
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Wrong again - it was a reference to competing political ideology and not just wording; however, I understand why a Democrat thinks it's an argument of semantics.
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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There is no competing political ideology
Oct 25, 2025, 11:00 AM
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in fact Trump literally had them write his name on the checks for the first covid stimulus to imply he was the one responsible for paying it.
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Ultimate Tiger [37218]
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Re: There is no competing political ideology
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Oct 25, 2025, 11:12 AM
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So you actually believe the money comes from Trump.
The difference in ideology is that you believe so strongly that the money comes from the government, that you said it came from Trump. The money comes from the people.
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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No
Oct 25, 2025, 11:13 AM
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This is why it's a semantics argument. No one believes that.
So you're just arguing nonsense.
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Re: No
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Oct 25, 2025, 11:17 AM
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You believe the money comes from government. That's why you said it.
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Re: Dems are gonna lose their voter base
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Oct 24, 2025, 2:04 PM
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They want an additional $1.5 trillion, supposedly for healthcare for the poor.
Yet, at the same time, there holding the gov't and citizens hostage and denying there constituents critical nutritional assistance. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
Malnourishment is a healthcare issue and they're whistling in the park while poor Americans and illegal migrants are starving.
They're literally making the situation they've decided to use to fleece taxpayers worse with this shutdown.
Dems use poor people, they don't really care for them though.
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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Can you explain how when two sides won't make an agreement
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Oct 24, 2025, 2:11 PM
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how only one side is to blame for that?
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Re: Can you explain how when two sides won't make an agreement
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Oct 24, 2025, 2:24 PM
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Pass the clean CR so families can have food to eat, THEN take up the (negotiations/demands?) for more & more & more & more money for Obamacare.
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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How about passing a bill to just pay for SNAP and WIC?
Oct 24, 2025, 2:39 PM
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Why can't the Republicans just agree to that?
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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How about Dems stop the childish Gov't shutdown?
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Oct 24, 2025, 8:43 PM
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Why can't the TDS'ers just agree to that?
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All-TigerNet [5880]
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This childish rhetoric
Oct 25, 2025, 8:39 AM
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is exactly why people are blaming the Republicans for the shut down.
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Oculus Spirit [43456]
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they want us to print an extra trillion
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Oct 24, 2025, 3:02 PM
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to hand out to folks
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Paw Warrior [4966]
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No, I wanna release the Epstein files and am not
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Oct 25, 2025, 12:12 PM
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distracted by the theatrics. Trump has been printing money for years and all of a sudden it's a problem?
You've been duped and are stupid.
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Why are Schumer & Senate Dems stonewalling?
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Oct 30, 2025, 5:16 PM
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DEMS and ONLY DEMS are responsible for the Gov't. Shutdown.
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Re: No, I wanna release the Epstein files and am not
Oct 30, 2025, 6:03 PM
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Sounds like you are A-OK with the Schumer Shutdown.
Epstein files. That’ll get the SNAP program funded and federal government employees paid again.
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Re: Why won't DEMS end the Gov't Shutdown?
Oct 30, 2025, 7:52 PM
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Why won't GOP end the Gov't Shutdown?
They have the executive branch and both houses of Congress. Ball is in their court.
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Re: Why won't DEMS end the Gov't Shutdown?
Oct 30, 2025, 8:51 PM
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Senate rules require that at least 60% of the Senate votes in the affirmative for a CR to pass.
Let me know if I need to explain to you what CR means.
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Re: Why won't DEMS end the Gov't Shutdown?
Oct 31, 2025, 8:29 AM
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We've had 53 Republican votes to pass the clean CR the entire time!
All we've ever needed is just 7 DEM VOTES to re-open the Government.
DEMS have refused to end the shutdown 14 times.
There's no excuses for the Anti-American Agenda of the modern Democrat Party.
Every honest American knows the DEMS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HARDSHIPS being endured by the working citizens of our nation!
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Come on PUBS nuke the filibuster!
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Oct 31, 2025, 9:07 AM
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Do it!
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Oculus Spirit [39664]
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Re: Come on PUBS nuke the filibuster!
Oct 31, 2025, 4:16 PM
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Exactly why the DEMS are persecuting American citizens...this is their goal, to ultimately gain more power for themselves.
DEMS DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE OR ANYTHING UNLESS ITS USEFUL FOR EMPOWERING & ENRICHING THEMSELVES.
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