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All-TigerNet [12550]
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So if most Republicans polled now see the Tea Party as
Oct 16, 2013, 8:29 PM
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separate from the Republican Party, does that mean that we now have one major party that can win national elections and two minor parties that can only win senate seats and house seats?
Seems like the Republicans have no chance of carrying any minority group such as Asians, Hispanics, African-Americans, Gays, and can not carry a non-minority group like women.
How are the Republicans going to win a presidential election in the near future? They have made their standing worse with all of those groups even since the 2012 election. I just don't get what they're trying to do. I understand fiscal responsibility, but these groups have many fiscally responsible individuals. They can't vote for the Republican's version of less government because the GOP will not stay out of their private lives.
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The GOP is dying
Oct 16, 2013, 10:13 PM
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The Libertarian Party is the only place left for fiscal conservatives.
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Puhlease***
Oct 16, 2013, 10:15 PM
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110%er [9076]
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i dont feel sick
Oct 16, 2013, 10:21 PM
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libertarians are poor salesmen, ron paul been talking for 30 years and cant sell it
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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Ron Paul brings Pubs and Dems together
Oct 17, 2013, 12:23 PM
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Both groups have rejected him.
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Once again: Ignorance about the Tea Party
Oct 17, 2013, 8:10 AM
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There are many Dems in the Tea Party, those that are fiscal conservatives.
Go to the Tea Party website and read a bit. You might be enlightened...
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110%er [9076]
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nuts is voting for someone who gives you
Oct 17, 2013, 8:40 AM
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29 hours per week and loads up your credit card
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No but they have libertarians that have knocked off old
Oct 18, 2013, 1:48 AM
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guard rinos & neocons.
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Just went to the Tea Party website
Oct 24, 2013, 11:44 AM
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Here are their core beliefs on the site. A few I can agree with...
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. (Yes, but what do we do with them? Spend the money to root them out and send them where? This is not an easy problem.)
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. (Wall Street keeps shipping overseas. Does this mean Main Street or Wall Street?)
3. A strong military is essential. (Wasted so much money on wars as of late. Keep it strong but cut the wars!)
4. Special interests must be eliminated. (I Agree)
5. Gun ownership is sacred. (Disagree. I believe a constitutional amendment is needed to clarify what the 2nd amendment means because it is terribly unclear. Besides this is a secular country)
6. Government must be downsized. (Some things need to be downsized others expanded)
7. The national budget must be balanced. (I Agree)
8. Deficit spending must end. (Same as above, I Agree)
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. (I agree. Banking laws must protect citizens from banks taking too many risks.)
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. (On the poor and middle class yes. Taxes on the rich should be raised to similar levels as the poor middle class)
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. (Which businesses? Wall Street disagree, Main Street agree)
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. (Requires campaign finance overhaul. Citizens United blows this core value to hell)
13. Intrusive government must be stopped. (I Agree)
14. English as our core language is required. (In what sense? Those that refuse to speak English never get very far here. I might be able to agree with stopping government having non-English versions of official documents. However, being annoyed at McDonalds because someone doesn't speak English is no real skin off your back)
15. Traditional family values are encouraged. (I don't like this term at all. It implies that anything outside of what was considered normal 200 years ago is still outside the norm. This is wide open for real critique of being bigoted)
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lol wow it would be so easy to just destroy your counter
Oct 25, 2013, 3:30 PM
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points. You need to educate yourself more and think more for yourself.
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The "Tea Party" is nothing more than a machination of the….
Oct 24, 2013, 5:48 PM
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Koch Brothers. The Koch Brothers started it, finance it, and control it. The "Tea Party" is nothing more than a marketing scheme to pull in right wingers who are too ashamed to be called Republicans or right wingers disaffected by the direction of the Republican Party, to vote Republican on election day. Most so called "Tea Party" adherents are completely tone deaf as to the views that a majority of Americans hold. The "Tea Party" is going to drown the Republican Party.
It is bad for democracy the direction the Republican Party is headed. The Republican Party needs to become the party they were 50 - 60 years ago, when Republicans were actually fiscally responsible. The Republicans need to rid their party of the dixiecrats, religious fundamentalists, far right wing conspiracy theorists, homophobes, xenophobes, and "tea party" adherents. If not, the Republican Party will become irrelevant over the next 20 years.
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You left out Big Tobacco... hth.***
Oct 25, 2013, 8:09 AM
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And Big Oil...and evil multi-national corps...
Oct 25, 2013, 8:23 AM
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and the military-industrial complex
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Don't forget the godless, agnostic, etc....the GOP/Tea Party
Oct 17, 2013, 12:07 PM
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has also done a pretty successful job of telling those folks to f-off, too. They don't need that vote, either, apparently. Old white guys, their robot wives, and some of their robot sons and daughters are apparently going to carry the GOP to many, many more Presidential election victories as the landscape around them changes decade by decade.
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You're not really this big of an idiot, right?***
Oct 18, 2013, 8:08 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Where am I wrong, Flow? I mean I get it, you have all the
Oct 18, 2013, 9:25 AM
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answers. That is understood. Teach me, wise one, how the Republicans appeal to anyone but who I named.
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You post something like....
Oct 18, 2013, 9:39 AM
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"Old white guys, their robot wives, and some of their robot sons and daughters" and you expect to be taken seriously?
You're a hack...and you know it.
The funny thing is that you see to be associating the "Tea Party" as being religiously intolerant, which shows a basic ignorance of the tea party movement in general.
It's easy to just lump everyone who disagrees with you together and label them as intolerant, stupid, uneducated....robots, but all it does is prove that you're uninformed and intellectually lazy.
The tea party movement and issues rarely have anything to do with social conservationism. The whole movement is based on fiscal reform, free market economy, and Constitutionally based restraint.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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And I'm glad you guys finally showed up to show that
Oct 18, 2013, 9:48 AM
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desire for restraint ironically leading up to Obama. Every other President's crazy spending, like Bush, was disappointing but we won't go crazy about it. No, no, no. Not Obama. NOW is the time we put our foot down, lol. Dude, live in your fantasy world of what you think the Tea Party is about and prop it up as something wonderful. Everyone else sees through it. Why don't you just answer my question, chief? Who does the Tea Party or GOP in 2013 appeal to other than the description I gave? Go ahead, hack. Give the deetz.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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I'll check back later, Flow, when you've dug up that cut and
Oct 18, 2013, 10:09 AM
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paste job or that photo showing the diversity of the GOP or Tea Party. Don't strain yourself, hack.
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You believe I use C&P and photos a lot in my replies?***
Oct 18, 2013, 10:57 AM
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A lot of folks had problems with the spending....
Oct 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
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during the Bush years. I was one of them. The GOP as a whole lost Congress as a result when the GOP stayed at home on Bush's second mid-term. Of course, after that we saw what real fiscal chaos looked like and we ended up with Bush pushing back against the Dem Congress over excessive spending.
But I agree that nearly enough were standing up to run-away spending under Bush. However, you just can't simply say folks now opposed to President Obama's budget priorities are hypocrites, since he's taken the deficit levels under Bush and made them look small.
The deficits during Bush's term averaged $196BB...if you shift the period down 1 year under the reasoning that the POTUS doesn't own his first yr budget, then the average moves to $379BB.
Under Obama, the average is $1.21TT. If you ignore 2009, then it is $1.16TT.
So I think it's perfectly reasonable for someone to be more upset about spending now than under Bush's watch. Don't you?
As for your other comment below, I don't normally cut and paste anything...you won't find many examples. My posts are my own thoughts.
As for who the GOP will appeal to in the next Presidential election? How about everyone that is about to get screwed by Obamacare? Maybe folks that were upset about Benghazi and the way in which it was handled. Maybe folks who don't agree with his class warfare rhetoric. Maybe folks that are concerned with the runaway welfare mentality. Or folks who believe he's become weak in many foreign leaders eyes. Or best yet, the people who are still unemployed/underemployet after we've followed the Dem playbook for economic recovery for the preceding 8 yrs.
I think there are a lot of people that the conservative/moderate GOP message appeals to and you're delusional if you think that's it's just "rich white robots".
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if the GOP can cast off the tea party nuts and then remake
Oct 17, 2013, 2:10 PM
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their image as a party that was bogged down by an extreme group, there's no reason they cannot attract a lot of blue dog democrats and independents. most americans reside comfortably in the middle anyway. if the GOP can rebrand itself as being in that middle, as being fiscally conservative without all of the socially conservative stuff, i think they've got a chance.
don't forget that the dems will not enjoy this power position forever. once the white middle class realizes they are being taken to the cleaners, they will realize they've been duped. a lot depends on some new blood emerging in the party, though. current leadership is #### poor, right up to the party chair.
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False. For decades 40% of those polled claim they are
Oct 18, 2013, 1:46 AM
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conservatives, 20% liberal, and 35 to 40% moderate. But when moderates are probed with more specific questions over half are shown to be conservative. The majority of America is firmly conservative. Only about 1/3rd are liberal.
The problem is the MSM is very liberal and mischaracterizes the right as radical, racist, out of touch, etc. They love to say that the Pubs, esp the Tea Party, is so extreme that Reagan would call them out. What a joke. The Tea Party was inspired by Reagan. He'd be the Tea Party's bigget fan if he were alive today. The Pubs are not moving further to the right. Proof of that is Bush, Bush, McCain, & Romney. All neocons, not true conservatives. Reagan was the last true conservative to lead the Pubs!
No, the reality is, the Dems have moved radically to the left. JFK, RFK, Gary Heart, even Bill Clinton are more like libertarians than today's Democrats. But the public keeps getting fed the exact opposite by the left and the MSM supports that.
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Honestly the Republicans have moved far left, too***
Oct 22, 2013, 11:09 PM
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Reagan was the last conservative. Noecons hijacked the GOP***
Oct 25, 2013, 3:36 PM
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most americans, whether dems or pubs, are fiscally more
Oct 23, 2013, 1:31 PM
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conservative and socially less conservative. that's just the way it is. the TP's biggest mistake is that it has staked itself out so thoroughly with regard to socially conservative ideas (that most americans don't care about) that most americans consider the TP, fairly or not, to be made up of bible-thumping mouth-breathers. frankly, it's made it hard to be a republican.
now don't get me wrong-i'm not saying that everyone in the TP is a racist or a bigot or a homophobe. but there have been enough instances of TP folks who don't understand basic biology or have said stupid, idiotic things (which do get picked up by the biased media and beaten half to death) that the TP's image is crap.
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Your assesment of the TP is completely opposite...
Oct 25, 2013, 8:26 AM
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of what I understand.
The TP is built on fiscally conservative positions and its roots have little to nothing to do with social issues.
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He's being influenced by left wing propaganda where the MSM
Oct 25, 2013, 3:40 PM
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has repeated blown every little thing grossly out of proportion regarding the Tea Party.
Just like when Strom Thurmond dies they made a big deal out of his Dixiecrat days then completely ignored that Byrd was in the KKK when he died.
They lie & cover for Dems while making mountains out of grains of salt with Pubs.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Good luck with that. Sure, a lotta TPers are big on
Oct 23, 2013, 8:48 AM
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the social conservative side, but that's not really the TP's platform, nor did they make it part of the GOP platform. The religicons are an entirely separate animal.
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maybe, maybe not. but the public perception, perhaps aided
Oct 23, 2013, 1:33 PM
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by a biased media, is that the TP is made up of backwoods idiots who think the earth was created 6000 years ago and that homosexuals need therapy to de-homo themselves. fair or not, that is what people think of when the think of the TP.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Maybe some people think that, and certainly some TPers
Oct 23, 2013, 1:59 PM
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could be described by that, but I have not seen the media assert social issues as part of the TP platform.
It seems, however, in this thread, you're the one confused over the tea party's position within the GOP and the source of social conservatism's stronghold in the GOP.
Why don't you alleviate yourself of this apparent stress and go Libertarian?
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i could never been a full blown libertarian. i might have
Oct 24, 2013, 2:24 PM
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some libertarian leanings, but i'm too much of a law and order guy to completely buy in to what they're selling.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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I hear that. But as long as the major parties are the
Oct 24, 2013, 3:02 PM
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#####, I'll keep voting for the Libertarians to try and get just a pinch of anarchy in the mix. 
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The Tea Party and Pubs are not the problem. The founding
Oct 18, 2013, 1:33 AM
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fathers knew the greatest threat to the republic was a loss of the free press. Their concern was a government that grew corrupt and tried to control the press. They never imagined the press becoming incredibly biased and carrying the water for either side and flat out lying, manipulating, and misleading the populace in such brash and blatant ways as the MSM today.
The left could not win national elections on the facts, the truth, about the truly important issues. The left hijacks national elections with emotional social issues, states rights issues, like abortion, drugs, gay marriage, etc. and targeted scare tactics directed at those special interests. But they get away with it because the MSM lets them. They are, in fact, assisted by the MSM in their duplicity.
Walter Cronkite was a flaming liberal, but the public never knew this because he, and the media in general, use to have ethics. He knew the press had a fiduciary duty to report the news, not make or shape the news. He knew they were reporters, not pawns of the left.
The left loves to use false narratives like painting the right as extreme wing nuts and evangelicals. As low information voters. Faux news viewers. Yet they can never point out a single lie told by Fox News. In fact, it's the left that is full of low information voters. A large percentage of people under 35 say they get their NEWS from Comedy Central or Bill Maher. Kids are pumped with leftist propaganda from 1st grade through college. Even Clemson has gotten in trouble letting liberal groups do anything they want while shutting down conservative groups. The left touts free speech & tolerance, yet they are the most intolerant people in America and shut down free speech from the right as often as possible, esp on college campuses where free speech and opposing ideas are suppose to be truly sacred. If you don't agree with them you are labeled stupid, a dinosaur, a bigot living in the 50s, backwards, a flat earther, a radical, etc.
Conservative ideals are called hate speech. Almost every graduation speaker at colleges in America are leftist, most are indeed radicals. Most of the convicted leftist radicals, like the Weather Underground, are teaching at high profile colleges today and hailed as heros. Cop killers! And the left constantly tries to get the FCC to shut down Fox and conservative talk radio while using tax dollars to fund NPR, which is incredibly liberal. NPR fired Juan Williams for admitting he gets nervous on planes with a bunch of Muslims. So much for free speech and tolerance. Had he said he hates being on a plane full of evangelicals they would have laughed and given him a raise.
This is all allowed because the free press decided to sell out to the left.
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LOL.......it is the media causing the GOP problems.
Oct 18, 2013, 9:34 AM
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Good stuff, man. I thought ACORN was responsible for the success. The problem with you guys is you won't just look in the mirror. You have definitely bought into the Fox News talking points. I could have very well just read a Shawn Hannity talking point. You touched on all of his greatest hits.
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They are. Obama could not hijack elections with lies and
Oct 25, 2013, 3:53 PM
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divisive politics pushing scare tactics regarding social issues without the media being complicit. Abortion, drugs, gays, wars on women, it's all BS that has no business in national elections.
Why won't Dems & the MSM let any Fox people host debates? Are they scared of real questions? Tough questions?
Think Obama wins that debate without fat ### Candy Crowley lying her fat ### off? The moderator is not suppose to engage nor take sides.
Look at Wisconsin. The MSM refused to reveal all those protestors at the capital were paid to com in from out of state.
How about Texas? The left says limiting abortion to 20 weeks is the dark ages and putting women in shackles. How many times has the MSM pointed out that not a single European country allows abortion beyond 13 weeks, all but one limit it to 12. And many countries do not allow abortion on demand. Are women in shackles in Europe or living in the dark ages?
Birth control is over 99% effective. There are very very very few women that would get pregnant that don't want a child if women actually did take personal responsibility for their bodies.
The entire progressive agenda is total BS based in lies & deceit and the left & Dems get away with it because the media is incredibly liberal. Over 90% of the media votes and donates to liberal causes.
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What we need is for moderate dems and the Tea Party to
Oct 18, 2013, 1:50 AM
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join the libertarians and show a third party is viable. A lot of dems and pubs would start switching and vote libertarian.
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Completely agree!***
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The Tea Party are the ### end of many jokes these days
Oct 22, 2013, 11:10 PM
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Not sure I'd want them tainting the Libertarians. They're the closest thing we have to true conservatism right now. The Republicans are going liberal, too, they just apply socialist principles to big business instead of individuals.
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Okay, I think you're really tying what many tea partiers
Oct 23, 2013, 2:06 PM
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may believe outside the tea party platfrom to that platform. I certainly believe that coalition could implode over social/religious issues at some point, but that is merely because of the diverse groups coming under a common goal. The fact that they are so extreme in pursuing that goal, certainly attracts extremists, but not necessarly a shared interest in each individual's extreme views on all things political.
I can't wait until we get another supply-side pub in the WH and charges forward with yet more debt and see what the TP does with that...
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regan was a supply side guy, most conservatives are, Bush
Oct 25, 2013, 3:57 PM
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41 & 43 were not supply siders and neither was a true conservative. They are neocons.
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Obama got elected thanks to Bush & the MSM. He got
Oct 25, 2013, 3:27 PM
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re-elected thanks to Obama being a big fat liar and the MSM helping him!! He won on social issues that don't belong in national elections and using them to divide, distract, and scare people.
The average voter is stupid and easily manipulated. They think the media is honest.
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Obama got elected thanks to Sarah Palin.***
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