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Commissioner [1286]
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Brownell is here to stay
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Dude wins when his jobs on the line...
Brad Brad Brad
Say it three times and pj dunks you
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
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He beat Morehead State?
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Ahh you are talking about the game where we were favored by 15 and lost by 4.
What about the football team last year that was favored by 12 got blown out by 21? Should we bring that game up in every football thread like the braindead basketball posters do?
You have some of the worst takes i have seen on this site. Nobody likes you.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Tell 'em shill II
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Hot take as usual.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 16, 2024, 8:22 AM
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If we didn’t have 10 championships, 8 conferences championships, 6 Final Fours, and 2 National Championships in the same span of time that Brownell has nothing I would suggest yes, it would be worth mentioning. How’d that crappy whataboutism work out for troll?
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Rival Killer [2848]
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Feb 16, 2024, 8:42 AM
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Dabo has had TWO generational talents at QB, and dozens of other NFL caliber players to work with also.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Feb 16, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Because Dabo built a program, culture, and system that enticed those generational studs to come play here. He didn't just happen to find them under a rock behind Fike...they chose Clemson because of what he had built and accomplished.
Brownell? lol
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Rival Killer [2848]
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Feb 16, 2024, 8:52 AM
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Not taking anything away from Dabo, but Clemson had a strong football tradition when he took over, and it wasn't until Deshaun Watson and a few other studs came along that he really started winning at a high level. 2011-2014 were good years but the ACC was horrible.
Brownell on the other hand had the challenge of building a program with NO tradition in the best conference in college basketball and if you look back over his tenure he's had only one really good scorer in Jaron Blossomgame.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Feb 16, 2024, 8:56 AM
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The fact that Brownell hasn't been able to recruit better scorers is not the fault of Clemson history. He's had 13+ years. This history excuse is tired and irrelevant.
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Rival Killer [2848]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:00 AM
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Tired maybe but not irrelevant and he finally has good players.
I think you’re underestimating the recruiting disadvantage he’s had.
College basketball is a totally different animal than football. When the top programs are putting 4 or 5 one and dones on the court it’s hard to win anything of significance.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:15 AM
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You sound like a coot football fan.
I don't accept this...we can be better.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:15 AM
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So the fact that our offense has been terrible over the last 3 years is dabo's fault and he deserves to be bashed over it?
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:22 AM
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A coach should be judged based on a body of work. Not one year. This applies to all coaches across all sports. You know this works in Dabo’s favor and against Brownell. Your post is designed to denigrate our football program while leaving basketball mired in mediocrity. Pretty clear signs of an anti-Clemson troll.
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:19 AM
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It’s a straight up logical fallacy that would only be employed by someone profoundly stupid or with insincere intentions. There is no middle ground. Sort of like Judge Keller doesn’t understand the difference between a rise in total cases and rise in percentage within total cases (cancer post earlier). These are fundamentally unserious people that are probably just one or two accounts.
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Dynasty Maker [3285]
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If you are a recruit and you want to go to the ACC to play-where would you put Clemson on that list? Maybe we sneek in over BC and VT IMHO. I'm just looking at it from as objective a position as I can. I don't have an answer and neither has anyone else.
In recent centuries, the ones we've had:
Rick Barnes-recruited big brusing guys for a few years-made some headway and then ran when his good recruiting class was going.
Larry Shyatt-not even going there.
Cliff Ellis-nice guy-got us a regular season ACC title and then sang his way out of town
Oliver Pernell-recruited the best athletes he could-coached them up some-ran full court pressure continuously. Thought we had a chance but we never had shooters.His best athletes were leaving and Purnell cut bait and ran back home which turned out to be a big mistake
Brownell has done better than any of them. Maybe one day we can get into the NCAA and win 2 games-THAT would be a miracle...but serioiusly-1 and done in the NIT?
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:16 AM
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You’re a troll. We hadn’t so much as won the division since its inception before Dabo took over while teams with “history” like Wake and BC did. You use Clemson basketball as a cudgel to mock everything about it.
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Rival Killer [2848]
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Feb 16, 2024, 12:03 PM
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And that's why I said "not taking anything away from Dabo".
Apparently you have selective hearing.
Clemson was still one of the better programs in the conference when Dabo took over.
Basketball has always been a doormat in the ACC. Clemson football has never been that low.
Apples to oranges.
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110%er [5684]
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You clearly weren't a fan during the West years***
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Paw Warrior [4890]
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Probably not the effect you wanted...Dabo and his staff recruited those talented young men. Brad Brownell and his staff had ample opportunity to do the same. You comment does nothing but highlight the multitude of failures for CBB's staff on that front.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Please let me know when in history we have recruited mcdonalds all americans in basketball. Tommy bowden was recruiting 4 and 5 stars before dabo came along.
Why are we assuming that recruiting for basketball at clemson is on a level playing field as football?
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:23 AM
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Brad inherited one. But you pretend Brad had absolutely nothing to do with his development, or lack thereof.
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Rival Killer [2848]
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Feb 16, 2024, 12:04 PM
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"one"
LMAO
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 16, 2024, 11:44 PM
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A McDonalds All American? Do you follow sports at all or did you just wander over from Reddit. There are less McDonalds All-Americans than there are 5 star football players most years. Bowden had 2 five star players his entire tenure.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 17, 2024, 9:15 AM
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There are 24 mcdonalds all americans in basketball each year.
Iver the last 10 years there has been on average less than 30 5 stars per year. This year there are 32. It is a valid comparison.
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:09 AM
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So you agree, there are less McDonalds All Americans to spread around 300+ basketball programs than there are 5 star football players to spread amongst half as many football programs?
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:34 AM
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😂😂😂😂 talking out of both sides of your mouth now. You are a joke.
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 17, 2024, 12:53 PM
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You were wrong - as usual. You laughing it off does not change it. My statement - there are less McDonalds All Americans than 5* star football players - was true.
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Feb 17, 2024, 12:59 PM
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You were wrong - as usual. You laughing it off does not change it. My statement - there are less McDonalds All Americans than 5* star football players - was true.
Good point Viztiz.
Lets see them spinning no College Basketball GameDay show since 2010 from my post at link.
See how they will defend that length of time and if they think CBB will do it in the near future...
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/basketball-espn-gameday-at-auburn...-2332565
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Brad inherited a team that had been to the tournament 3 years in a row and got knocked out by a lower seeded team. We had not won a tourney game in 13 years. We still had the worst history and facilities of any team in the acc.
He had good talent for 1 year, and when those players left, the leftovers were not good. It is why his year 2 and 3 wee his 2 worst consecutive years in his tenure.
Dabo took over for bowden. bowden's last 4 recruiting classes were ranked 10th, 16th, 13th, and 16th. Completely different scenario.
https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Season/2005-Football/Commits/
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Feb 16, 2024, 11:54 PM
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I’m you don’t understand the very obvious underlying fallacy of this argument I don’t know how to help you. But it holds no water and would score no points under objective scrutiny. It is a self-nullifying argument and I’m tired of indulging it with trolls who only bring it up as an opportunity to bash Clemson. Your motives are readily apparent.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 17, 2024, 8:50 AM
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Lol. Keep lying troll. What about jamie harper? What about ricky sapp? Those were 5*
The team dabo took over had close to 15 guys that played in the nfl. This is not counting people that made teams but im not sure if they played like chris chancellor, rennie moore, and jamie cumbie.
Jacoby ford
Cj spiller
Jamie harper
Andre ellington
Kavell connor
Marcus gilchrest
Ricky sapp
Daquan bowers
Jarvis jenkins
Andre branch
Byron maxwell
Brandon thompson
Mallichai goodman
Coty sensabaugh
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Paw Master [17257]
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 17, 2024, 10:01 AM
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I literally post the info directly from Rivals and On3 further up and you’re calling me a liar? You’re the one bringing a laundry list of unrelated info to the thread. First, it’s a complete fallacy to compare gross numbers of players of any rank between a sport with 85 scholarships and 13. That’s what you want to do. To claim that history, facilities, and money have kept Clemson from being more successful under Brownell while somehow believing that his lack of ability to advance in the tourney negates what Purnell empirically proved could be done is another fallacy. In fact 2 of the last 3 coaches achieved 3 tourneys in a row under the same or worse conditions (and Ellis made 3 in 4) you claim impede Brownell. Brad, in 14 ####### years, has not made back to back tourneys. You can’t win in the tourney unless you are in it. Constantly deflecting because others didn’t win in the tourney is insincere, irrelevant, and lazy. If Brownell is a better tourney coach than Purnell boy wouldn’t it be great if he’d build a program that got there more than once in awhile.
Dabo’s program started turning players into NFL talent. If you’re going to note the uptick in our national recruiting rankings you might want to note who and when a certain someone was hired and then named recruiting coordinator. The same someone would be named National Recruiter of the Year in 2006. It’s almost like some people are better at their jobs than others and that it isn’t all about facilities and money. Brownell turned a 5 star, McDonalds All-American into a guy you like to use as a punch line. The ‘08 and ‘09 classes were the best consecutive recruiting classes in Clemson history. Not one of those guys played NBA ball after finishing under Brownell. Only one of them transferred out for his first season - Donte Hill. He should have had the nucleus of NCAA team through 2012 at which points his recruiting should have been in full swing. He didn’t even fill 13 scholarships slots for two years. He signed 6 players in 2011 - only 2 ever contributed meaningfully. He has no responsibility for this? Purnell signed 7 players in the class of 2004 (his second like Brownell in 2011) and Sam Perry, James May, and Cliff Hammonds formed the nucleus of a team that would be strong enough to eventually make 4 straight tourneys. And, since you like to count last year as a tourney season - it should have been five. We were ripped off far worse in 2007 than we were last year. You like Sports Reference - that squad had a higher SRS than last year, 2021, 1996, and 1989. Still the best RPI ranking ever left out of the tourney.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:18 AM
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More factual inaccuracies by viztiz.
If you used rival rankings, then you would realize that ricky sapp was a 5*. Also jamie Harper was a 5* among multiple services.
For basketball, Noel johnson also transferred and he did nothing at auburn. Bad evaluating by purnell i guess.
Again, you are showing you know nothing about college basketball if you think milton jennings would have turned into an nba player under a better coach. It shows insane bias and lack of knowledge. Dude shot 17% from 3 and 65% from the ft line his freshman year under purnell. He has also proved to be a bad shooter in finland where he played pro ball shooting in the low 30s from 3 and a below average FT %.
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Paw Master [17257]
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Feb 17, 2024, 1:06 PM
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Well, I didn’t claim to use other services. You did get me on Ricky Sapp. I thought I had sorted by 5* when I hit it because CJ Spiller was on top. So I missed one. Which doesn’t change my point. We weren’t an elite recruiting program when Bowden came. We weren’t when he left. We were a terrible recruiting program until Dabo took over as recruiting coordinator. He - not Clemson’s history - turned the tide. Further up, I posted our rank within the ACC in football by season under Bowden. It wasn’t pretty. And when asked about basketball I pointed out we were 4th in the ACC in 2008 and 3rd in 2009. No matter how you woulda, coulda, shoulda the backstory that is just a fact. If nothing else, Brownell became coach under the most favorable circumstances of any other coach at Clemson since tourney expansion. That’s just reality. And 14 seasons later, he hasn’t been to consecutive tourneys. Purnell did it in year 6. Barnes did it in year 3. Brownell will, at best, be 9 and 12 years behind them if he were to pull it off. They had to fight every single negative you excuse him for only some, like facilities, much worse.
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"worst facilities"
Cameron Indoor Stadium called...
The building originally included seating for 8,800, though standing room was sufficient to ensure that 9,500 could fit in on a particularly busy day. Then, as now, Duke students were allocated a large number of the seats, including those in the lower sections directly alongside the court. Renovations in 1987–1988 removed the standing room areas, added an electronic scoreboard and display over center court, wood paneling, brass railings and student seats, bringing capacity to 9,314, though now[when?] there is sufficient standing room to ensure 10,000 could fit. For high-profile games, students are known to pack in as many as 1,600 into the student sections, designed for a maximum of 1,100.
Prior to the 2002–2003 basketball season, air conditioning units were installed in Cameron for the first time as a response to health and odor concerns for players and fans alike.[5]
Prior to the 2008–09 season, a new video scoreboard replaced the electronic board over center court.[6] Before the 2009–10 season, additional changes were made, including installing LED ribbon boards to the front of the press table and painting the upper seats Duke blue.[7] Cameron is one of the few major arenas that uses backboards suspended from the ceiling instead of anchored on the floor.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 17, 2024, 9:40 AM
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Key word is "facilities", genius. When brad took over, we were sharing practice courts with multiple other teams. Duke spends double what we do in basketball.
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:12 AM
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lol - you make it sounded like we couldn’t practice full court because someone was on the other side. There are limits on practice hours and the basketball team always had dibs on making the schedule. That’s a nothing burger. And like Duke is the only benchmark. How about Purdue who spend less than us on basketball?
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:32 AM
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He mentioned duke so i responded. Are you special?
I also never mentioned not being about to practice full court.
Our facilities stunk when brownell took over. Apparently you all dont think facilities matter, so i guess you also believe that we are wasting tons of money in football.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 17, 2024, 1:12 PM
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The thread is getting convoluted Tigeron. Doesn’t change the fact. They play in a dump. For the sake of your arguments let’s say facilities “stunk” when he took over. Why was his immediate predecessor able to make back to back tourneys, after taking over an actual dumpster fire, in year 5 and Brownell won’t even have the possibility until year 15? Don’t even some silly argument that they were significantly better when Purnell took over. Recruiting peaked in year 5 and 6 for Purnell. Aging facilities weren’t weighing him down. Why has it taken Brownell longer to find stability post renovations than it took Purnell with no such benefit.
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According to Brownell, we've had "some of the best facilities in the ACC and the country" and "a first-class experience" for the student athletes for 8 years.
Clemson hosted a ribbon-cutting ceremony for the newest round of renovations in Littlejohn on October 14, 2016. These upgrades took roughly 16 months to complete, beginning shortly after the 2014-15 season in order to have them done as efficiently as possible. Their game against Georgia on Nov. 11 of 2016 served as their “grand reopening” of the stadium, allowing fans to experience the renovations first-hand.
This $63.5 million project consisted of a number of upgrades, along with the addition of some features to help accommodate players and provide them with the best equipment and atmosphere possible.
The renovated studio included the new Swann Pavilion, which includes a 13,000-square-foot (1,200 m2) practice gym, team suites, a film room, weight room and lounges. The renovation also upgraded the stadium entrance, exterior, and added two new LED boards. To fit in the new facilities, the basketball floor was rotated 90 degrees, and the arena capacity was reduced to 9,000 seats.
Included in the recent renovations, both the Men’s and Women’s team got their own Players’ Lounge, providing them with the equipment necessary to provide players with the opportunity to relax with their teammates and pass time in between practices and work outs. Located near each Locker Room, the Players’ Lounge helps accentuate leisure in their surroundings, while also keeping them in a proactive environment.
Training Room
To the right of the Players’ Lounge is the Athletic Training Room. This space was specifically created to centralize the needs of players, typically consisting of recovery or game-prep. The Athletic training room was also a part of the recent renovation, allowing the program to be equipped and prepared when in season and out of it.
Amenities Include:
Plunge Pools
Six lifted Treatment Tables
Recovery & Medical Equipment
Weight Room
The Weight Room has undergone a superior makeover, now being connected to the players’ lounge and the practice gym, along with getting upgrades to all their equipment to better suit the players’ needs. Monitored by trainers for both teams, this space is helping athletes better themselves on a daily basis.
Connected to the Weight Room is the teams’ Practice Gym, consisting of a full-sized court with six surrounding baskets and a time clock to help the coaches and players with drills and other exercises in preparation for the season. Players have 24 hour access to the facility and are welcome to use the equipment and the gym candidly.
Amenities Include:
Nutrition Bar with Snacks, Beverages, and Post-Workout Shakes
Certified Nutritioist on Staff
Custom Tiger Weight Racks and Benches w/ LED Lighting
Custom Workout Machinery
Cardio Equipment
Three Flat Screen TV’s
Speakers
Locker Room
Located beside the training room, which was a part of the recent renovation, is the Mens’ Locker Room. The Womens’ team’s Locker Room is located on the other side of the Practice Gym. The basketball teams spends an immense amount of time in this area, before and after games, practice, and lifts, so it was crucial to provide them with a comfortable space and amenities to make their atmosphere as welcoming and productive as possible.
Amenities Include:
Individual Locker Spaces with Seating
Individual Lighting
Storage Drawers
Screens for Jersey Number and Player Display
“What a great day for Clemson Basketball,” said Head Men’s Basketball Coach Brad Brownell. “In 2013, when we first took steps to renovate Littlejohn Coliseum, Joe and Bobbi Swann aided in the advancement of both programs with the construction of the Swann Pavilion. This new project, spearheaded by Jim and Candace Brown, will continue to give us some of the best facilities in the ACC and the country, while enabling us to consistently provide our student-athletes with a first-class experience. I want to thank the Browns for their considerable generosity and strong support of our program.”
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Greenville News July 2023
Clemson’s Littlejohn Coliseum and Swann Pavilion are getting upgrades.
The Clemson University Board of Trustees and the Finance and Facilities Committee on Thursday gave Phase I approval for a $40 million project to that end.
The project, which will benefit both the men’s and women’s basketball programs as well as the women’s gymnastics program that will begin competition in the spring of 2024, includes the renovation of more than 51,000 square feet of existing space and 30,000 square feet of new construction.
Construction is estimated to begin in June of next year, with completion planned before the start of the 2025-26 season. While under way, the project will not impact Clemson's basketball schedules or fan seating, a school spokesperson said.
Improvements are expected to include further development of operations and technology in the women’s basketball team spaces, practice gym, offices and recruiting areas. Other improvements are set to include the modernization and expansion of shared strength and conditioning areas, nutrition and sports medicine.
Some of the newly constructed spaces will include men’s basketball team areas, offices and practice gym.
Each program will have its own designated practice gym.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 17, 2024, 9:13 AM
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Lol. You are the only person in the world that thinks milton jennings was an nba talent.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 17, 2024, 9:33 AM
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But he was a McDonald's All American, 2nd team Parade All-American, and Mr Basketball from S.C.
And he was on Brownell's team for 3 years (having been recruited and signed by Purnell).
Brownell's notable recruits...
Top rated recruits of the Brad Brownell Era
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On Wednesday Roebuck - Dorman's P.J. Hall became not only the highest-rated recruit of the Brad Brownell Era, but the highest-rated acquisition (out of high school) by Clemson's basketball program since five-star forward Milton Jennings of Summerville back in 2009.
2020 P.J. Hall 4-star, no. 62 overall
2014 Donte Grantham 4-star, no. 75 overall
2011 Bernard Sullivan 4-star, no. 83 overall (transferred to Charlotte after 1 year)
2017 Amir Simms 4-star, no. 93 overall
2019 Chase Hunter 4-star, no. 105 overall
2016 A.J Oliver 4-star not ranked (transferred to Old Dominion after redshirt sophomore year)
2020 O.M Prosper 4-star, not ranked (transferred to Marquette after freshman year)
So it looks like Brownell manages to recruit on average one 4-star player every 2 years (7 in 14 years), but has trouble keeping them on the roster, as almost half left the team for what most would consider lower echelon teams.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 17, 2024, 10:13 AM
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The Brownell Bros are happy as long as he pops in for selfies during pre-game cocktails hour in the Courtside Club. That’s all they require.
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Please let me know when in history we have recruited mcdonalds all americans in basketball. Tommy bowden was recruiting 4 and 5 stars before dabo came along.
Why are we assuming that recruiting for basketball at clemson is on a level playing field as football?
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Gonna rely on that old trope that Tommy recruited well. Tommy had 2 five star recruits in his entire tenure: DaQuan Bowers recruited by Marion Hobby and CJ Spiller recruited by…Dabo Swinney. That’s it. Here’s some recruiting rankings for Tommy who had such great “history” to draw on:
2002 - 62nd overall / 10th ACC
2003 - 104th overall / 12th ACC
2004 - 45 overall / 8th ACC
2005 - 36 overall / 3rd ACC
2006 - 66th / 13th ACC
2007 - 16th / 4th ACC
2008 - 11th / 2nd ACC
I wonder what changed for Tommy when recruiting started to uptick? Why didn’t history allow him to recruit well out the gate?
I would like to thank you for once again exposing that you aren’t a Clemson fan and are just making crap up as you go. Because absolutely no one that is a fan and lived through that era thinks he was a good recruiter.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
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So 3 of the 4 classes prior to Dabo taking over were top 3 in the conference.
Now do basketball...
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You should do a little homework before trolling. We were 4th in the ACC in 2008 and in 2009 were 3rd in the ACC with the highest overall ranked class in Clemson basketball history. Our 2010 class (Purnell’s last) was low ranked because we only signed one scholarship. The 2010 team Brownell inherited had made 3 straight tourneys, returned 70% of minutes played and almost the same in scoring, and included not only the best recruiting class in Clemson history but the back to back recruiting classes in Clemson history.
Since 2011, we’ve been 11th, 10th, 14th, 11th, 13th, 12th, 7th, 9th, 8th, 4th, 12th, 14th, and 14th
So in 14 years Brownell has never strung together 3 classes equal to what he inherited from a coach who only worked 7 years. And, he has not had a single class equal the 2009 class
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"In 2002, Tommy Bowden—Swinney's former position coach at Alabama— offered him the position of wide receivers coach at Clemson, and Swinney joined in 2003.[25] He also took over as recruiting coordinator from popular longtime coordinator Rick Stockstill.[26] Swinney proved to be both an excellent wide receivers coach as well as recruiting coordinator, coaching ACC-leading receivers and being named
one of the nation's top 25 recruiters in 2007 by Rivals.com
So it was largely Dabo's impact on recruiting under Bowden that provided those good classes and formed the basis for Dabo's early years.
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Oh, I didn’t realize recruiting didn’t fall under this head coaches. You’re nullifying one of the biggest Brownell Bros arguments which is that “our history” prevents us from being great unlike football. But if history matters, how many “generational qbs” (a grossly misused term btw) did we have at Clemson prior to Dabo. And using the term “dozens” that try and draw a contrast between a team with 13 scholarships belies your lack of seriousness. Brownell has had 7 NBA draftees come though his program (the equivalent of 46 NFL draftees) come through his program with a minimum of one more in his roster currently. Last year 40% of his starting roster was future NBA players and would be higher if he didn’t tend to run them off. What percent of our starting 22 were NFL draft picks last year?
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Feb 17, 2024, 9:17 AM
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You do realize Dabo recruited and coached those 2 players right?
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VIZCOOT CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL. NOW THAT IS RICH.
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deroberts I wish you possessed the self awareness to realize that when you side with these guys and make these posts - you’re supporting the guys that use this board to openly mock Clemson. Most of the Brownell Bros are Judge Keller minions and his entire account this devoted to mocking Clemson, and Clemson fans. It’s just kind of sad that their very obviously trolling has been so effective on you. I know you’re a bit older and don’t understand how the internet and social media work - but you like a fool.
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:45 AM [ in reply to Re: Brownell is here to stay ]
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deroberts I wish you possessed the self awareness to realize that when you side with these guys and make these posts - you’re supporting the guys that use this board to openly mock Clemson. Most of the Brownell Bros are Judge Keller minions and his entire account this devoted to mocking Clemson, and Clemson fans. It’s just kind of sad that their very obviously trolling has been so effective on you. I know you’re a bit older and don’t understand how the internet and social media work - but you like a fool.
WAITING PATIENTLY ON ATTENDANCE QUESTION. CRICKETS CRICKETS CRICKETS
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
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Feb 16, 2024, 10:11 AM
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I have been to two games this year. I have stated as much on this board.
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Why is attending a game a pre-requisite for being a fan? You realize many Clemson Tigers have moved far away from Clemson, right?
The are over 175,000 Clemson alums in the world today. Littlejohn seats 9,000. That's a whole lot of fake fans not attending games, huh?
deroberts
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I guess if more T-netters attended men's basketball games, Brownell would be a better coach.
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Gotcha. So success of the team is the determining factor on whether you can bash our coaches and student athletes.
Sound logic.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:46 AM
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No one bashes student athletes more than you. You have no high ground here.
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Joke.
You cant be dumb enough to believe the players have no factor in the outcome of the game and only the coach does.
If you constantly talk crap and bring up the morehead st game, then you are bashing our program that includes players.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 16, 2024, 11:23 AM
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If you had the mental capacity to stay on topic you might be worth engaging with. This is not responsive to my post and predicated on a fallacy (“believe the players…”).
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Rival Killer [3013]
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 16, 2024, 7:23 PM
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Says the guy that doesn't have the mental capacity to understand what front loaded means, or doesn't understand that home court is an advantage in college basketball.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
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Feb 16, 2024, 11:01 PM
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So you’re arguing with dictionary now? I gave you the definition. You used it wrong. I imagine Brownell would rather not have your help.
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Paw Warrior [4890]
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Then why do we lose so many home games? I heard "winning on the road in the ACC is hard!" But it seems like half of the ACC teams we've played in Littlejohn went home with a W.
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Really yall shouldn’t compare football to basketball unless you want to be embarrassed really bad.
Brad ACC championships compared,
Tournaments 68 teams lol over 13 years?
There isn’t a comparison, Dabo has exceeded all expectations and Brad hasn’t been even close to expectations.
I’m just being honest, I hope we win it all this season as always but track record against the best coach in college football vs Brad in basketball.
Who would hire Brad right now as coach as compared to who would hire Dabo on the spot if they were available?
Don’t compare the two, it’s embarrassing.
I’m with Brad all the way as long as he is our coach and he has the best talent ever on a Clemson team this season, hopefully he makes a run & I believe he will at least to sweet sixteen.
Go Tigers
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Really yall shouldn’t compare football to basketball unless you want to be embarrassed really bad.
Brad ACC championships compared,
Tournaments 68 teams lol over 13 years?
There isn’t a comparison, Dabo has exceeded all expectations and Brad hasn’t been even close to expectations.
I’m just being honest, I hope we win it all this season as always but track record against the best coach in college football vs Brad in basketball.
Who would hire Brad right now as coach as compared to who would hire Dabo on the spot if they were available?
Don’t compare the two, it’s embarrassing.
I’m with Brad all the way as long as he is our coach and he has the best talent ever on a Clemson team this season, hopefully he makes a run & I believe he will at least to sweet sixteen.
Go Tigers
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Really yall shouldn’t compare football to basketball unless you want to be embarrassed really bad.
Brad ACC championships compared,
Tournaments 68 teams lol over 13 years?
There isn’t a comparison, Dabo has exceeded all expectations and Brad hasn’t been even close to expectations.
I’m just being honest, I hope we win it all this season as always but track record against the best coach in college football vs Brad in basketball.
Who would hire Brad right now as coach as compared to who would hire Dabo on the spot if they were available?
Don’t compare the two, it’s embarrassing.
I’m with Brad all the way as long as he is our coach and he has the best talent ever on a Clemson team this season, hopefully he makes a run & I believe he will at least to sweet sixteen.
Go Tigers
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Objectively though, since their first full seasons as head coaches, Dabo has won 87% of the games he was favored in compared to Brad having won 73% of the games he was favored in. This is just a crude measure though and does not adjust for any other predictors of success such as team talent or program funds.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 16, 2024, 11:55 PM
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Nice. Can I ask where you pulled that from? Would love to compare against other ACC basketball schools over the same period.
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It was pulled from TeamRankings. You can look at the "Win-Loss Trends" and filter it to look at since a certain year (i.e. since 2010 for Brownell's tenure at Clemson). It has a category in there for record as "As a Favorite" among many other view points.
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 17, 2024, 10:14 AM
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Thank you!
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@ClemsonMountaineers
Congratulations, everyone must like you.
Dude you’re just a Brownell guy. It’s obvious why you got so sour just then.
I have been trying to refrain from Brownell negativity right now because of momentum, but saying he wins when it matters is blasphemous.
There’s been at best “occasions” where Brad has won when it mattered.
He did not win against a 4-win Louisville team last year “when it mattered”.
Examples:
Certainly, here are some specific examples of bubble games that Brad Brownell's Clemson teams have lost in recent years:
1. **Loss to Notre Dame (2016)**: In February 2016, Clemson lost a crucial game to Notre Dame, a fellow ACC team that was also on the NCAA Tournament bubble. Notre Dame won the game 89-83 in overtime, which could have bolstered Clemson's tournament resume with a win.
2. **Loss to Georgia Tech (2017)**: In January 2017, Clemson suffered a setback against Georgia Tech, another ACC team on the bubble. The loss came in double overtime, with Georgia Tech prevailing 75-63. Winning this game could have improved Clemson's standing in the conference and their NCAA Tournament chances.
3. **Loss to Boston College (2018)**: In February 2018, Clemson fell to Boston College in a game that had significant implications for ACC standings and NCAA Tournament positioning. Boston College won 87-82, dealing a blow to Clemson's postseason aspirations.
4. **Loss to NC State (2019)**: In March 2019, Clemson lost to NC State in the ACC Tournament, a crucial game for both teams' NCAA Tournament hopes. NC State won 59-58, and the loss may have hurt Clemson's chances of receiving an at-large bid to the NCAA Tournament.
These are just a few examples of bubble games that Brad Brownell's Clemson teams have lost over the years, where a victory could have improved their postseason prospects but ultimately ended in disappointment.
This is it, I’m done bashing Brownell until after season. I only do this to make a point. Make a pint to a Brownell defender who obviously can’t see from another perspective. A perspective that many Clemson basketball fans look through.
P.S. Of course you deflect onto Dabo out of nowhere. Never act as if Brownell and Dabo are comparable in any situation. Dabo has changed this entire university with his personality and success. Brad has brougt more hardships.
Sorry Brad
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We don't have to rely on Morehead State. We can talk about Louisville. Or Loyola-Chicago. Or...
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This has to be the dumbest post of 2024.
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You’re an idiot.
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Tell 'em 101-61 coot
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72-67
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Let’s revisit this at the end of the season and see if we make the tournament or not.
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It would be an absolutely colossal collapse if we do not make the NCAAT. We are currently projected as a 5/6 seed and our NET is 25. Our remaining schedule is very favorable.
If we miss the tourney, Brownell should be fired before midnight on Selection Sunday.
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lol - that's like saying -You don't listen to Stephen A Smith, do you ?
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what a clown.
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Re: You don't follow bracketology do you?***
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I’ve probably debated “bracketology” every year with you for close to a decade. You’re the equivalent of the guy who predicts his team to win every game, no matter what, then beats his chest when he is right and ignores all the misses. You would scramble to find the most favorable ranking and argue that we were, at worst, “on the bubble” going into the ACC tourney. There is a high likelihood we are in, possibly even a high seed. That doesn’t mean you had any idea what you were talking about. There are years of evidence to the contrary.
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For many teams, including Clemson, Bracketology is completely meaningless...
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as long as there are games remaining to be played.
I will concede that at 17-7 (7-6), Clemson is looking better (notwithstanding the ongoing scoring droughts that occur EVERY friggin' game), but there are still seven games remaining and Clemson needs to win at least four of those IMHO.
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Relax. Clemson is in.
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The NET says so. Book it. And go buy us some pens so CBB can sign his extension.
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Re: Relax. Clemson is in.
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I hear he’s a candidate for the Ohio State job. They’re specifically looking for someone who has proven they can work the portal.
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Re: Relax. Clemson is in.
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You should never give a coach an extension in the middle of a season. In my opinion.
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RELAX, Biggie. the cult says, in mid-February, that we are in . . . and when
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have we EVER screwed it up at the end of a game, a stretch of season that is critical, in a tournament, etc, under the amazing leadership we currently have ?
Huh ? Well, HUH ? ?
I'll wait.
(Use a 2nd sheet of paper if the list gets too long) . . . . .
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It's almost as if they've never seen this movie before.***
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Tiger Titan [51733]
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Re: You don't follow bracketology do you?***
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Feb 16, 2024, 11:33 AM
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Bracketology doesn’t matter as evidence from last season where we were projected to be in the tournament. The only thing that matters is selection Sunday.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: You don't follow bracketology do you?***
Feb 16, 2024, 11:39 AM
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We were on the bubble and were NOT projected to be in the tournament in the late stages of the season. We were also not as high in the seeding projections as we are this year.
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Tiger Titan [51733]
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Re: You don't follow bracketology do you?***
Feb 16, 2024, 11:41 AM
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At least we were in first place of the ACC for most of the season.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: You don't follow bracketology do you?***
Feb 16, 2024, 11:44 AM
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And as was clearly stated by those of us that follow statistics and selection criteria, and later proved by the committee, it didn't matter where we finished in the ACC. We had a terrible overall tournament profile and ended up in the NIT as a result.
This year is different - we have a very strong tournament profile even though we are (currently) lower in the ACC standings.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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If fairness...
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Feb 16, 2024, 2:45 PM
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conference standings are not a criteria the selection committee even remotely considers.
That said, the only thing bracketology tells you is who would likely be in if the tournament started today. However, the tournament doesn't start today and at 17 - 7 with seven regular season games remaining, Clemson still has some work to do to solidify an invitation to the NCAAT.
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Paw Warrior [4890]
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Re: You don't follow bracketology do you?***
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:08 AM
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Yes, we had a horrible tournament profile because we lost games to SCAR, Loyola-Chicago, Louisville, BC...we struggled to win any of our non-conference games (except Loyola-Maryland and Richmond). We lost 3-in-a-row which turned into 4-out-of-5, which started with a loss at BC and ended with a loss at Louisville.
We had won 7 ACC games, were in 1st place, included a win over Duke. In mid-January, we were "a lock" despite the non-conference losses. With one ACC game left to play in January, we were 10-1 in ACC play including 4 road wins.
And then, just like that...a 3-5 February which included the BC and LSV losses (well, the BC loss was on Jan 31). Yet another loss to UVA in ACC tournament (Brownell has never beaten UVA).
This season started a lot better, but as one newspaper wrote:
"Three weeks ago Clemson sat 11-1 with wins over Alabama, TCU, and South Carolina. They were in the top 15, and it looked like Clemson was headed toward a top 3 NCAA seed. Since then Clemson is 1-4, the wheels came off Tuesday night in losing a 9-point lead with just 90 seconds to previously 8-8 (1-4) Georgia Tech. The Jackets have only won 1 game in January.
The Tigers fell to 12-5 (2-4) after that game.
Now, we have stabilized a bit, and sit in a 4-way tie for 5th in ACC at 7-6 (currently with tiebreakers over Pitt and FSU). It looks very good, but taking an attitude that we can "afford" to lose games is defeatist.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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That's called inconsistency!***
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Feb 16, 2024, 9:28 AM
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Rival Killer [3084]
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Looks as if we need victory over N.C. State
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To continue tap down The Lunatic Fringe. Funny how they continue to mention Morehead State and never mention North Carolina in Chapel Hill. Limited/no vision when it comes to basketball. No knowledge of Clemson basketball history. Stop whining about the past and enjoy this season. Clemson is going to the tournament. CBB is going to be your coach. The daily whining and crying is just not a good look. Go back to the Lunatic Fringe Clubhouse and lock the door after you get inside.
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Orange Beast [6511]
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Re: Looks as if we need victory over N.C. State
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Feb 16, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Meds. Stop forgetting them. And do not skip any more of your therapist appointments.
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Paw Master [17257]
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Re: Looks as if we need victory over N.C. State
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Knowing you’re actually a real person who does go to games, it is crazy how much you hate Clemson and its fans. If I may, perhaps the same analytical abilities that lead you to believe Brad is great is why your career in sports administration had such a low ceiling. Just a thought.
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Ultimate Tiger [33063]
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How do we know he goes to games and was (?) in sports admin ? Just curious.***
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Feb 16, 2024, 1:12 PM
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Paw Master [17257]
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Re: How do we know he goes to games and was (?) in sports admin ? Just curious.***
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Feb 16, 2024, 2:16 PM
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To avoid violating doxxing rules I won’t say more than his username barely obscures his real name, we have mutual acquaintances and he sits in the courtside club (I think that’s what his section is called). He was Asst AD and SID at a small school. He talked crap about Tommy Bowden that would make the Lunatic Fringe seem cordial. It’s my personal take, based on personal accounts, is that he sees himself as a big fish in a small pond. He likes Brad because Brad coddles those Courtside Club members.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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^^^This^^^***
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Feb 16, 2024, 2:47 PM
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Ultimate Tiger [33063]
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Paw Warrior [4890]
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Re: BrownL IS Tommy Bowden - EXCEPT - Tommy was better.***
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Feb 17, 2024, 10:13 AM
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Tommy never had a losing season or losing ACC season (he did quit midseason with a 1-2 ACC record). His overall record at Clemson was .615, and his ACC record was .573. And 4 of his 10 teams finished the season ranked in the top 25. He never did win an ACC title, or even a division title, so he's like Brad in that respect.
"He resigned on October 13, 2008, after leading the team to a disappointing 3–3 record (1–2 ACC) at the midpoint of a season in which the Tigers had been an almost unanimous preseason pick to win their first ACC title under Bowden and were ranked #9 in the preseason polls.
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CU Guru [1551]
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Re: How do we know he goes to games and was (?) in sports admin ? Just curious.***
Feb 17, 2024, 1:10 PM
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So, just the confirm, Brad tries to keep the BIG donors happy? Potentially a good move on his part to keep the important people on his side. Especially in an unsuccessful year. Which some base on a team's ability to live up to the CBS poll.
I'm thinking Neff might use the official ACC media poll, but now know he also listens to the big donors. Thanks!
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Legend [6890]
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Looks as if we need victory over N.C. State - ~this~
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Feb 16, 2024, 8:57 PM
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And continue to get into the NCAA, then hopefully the lunatic fringe will give up their anti Clemson raps!
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Paw Master [17257]
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Re: Looks as if we need victory over N.C. State - ~this~
Feb 17, 2024, 10:11 PM
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Thought you were at the game Mountaineer
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Game Changer [1989]
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
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Feb 17, 2024, 9:38 AM
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So Clemson can make the Bog Dance about 29% of the time. Yeah.
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Game Day Hero [4136]
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Freshman [3]
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Re: Brownell is here to stay
Feb 19, 2024, 3:26 PM
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This is an honest question. I like BB I think he is a good man but the truth is he has not been a successful basketball coach at Clemson. That is not to trash him, its simply the way it is. Could any coach in America not get lucky enough to make 2 NCAA apperances in 12 to 13 years so far.
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Dynasty Maker [3285]
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Face it! We've NEVER been any good in basketball and
Feb 19, 2024, 9:28 PM
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I've seen nothing in the last 40 years to even remotely conceive of an ongoing winning program. Where we are is about as good as it will get and we should be happy with that. I think Brownell is a good coach and a stand up guy. We just cannot recruit and it appears our ability to coach up players is limited. I'm not badmouthing any of our players or our coaches. It's just reality. I would love for them to prove me wrong.
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