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Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:36 AM
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@Clemson mountaineers®
Sorry for starting a fresh thread but I feel like this rebuttal deserves more than being lost deep in a day old thread. This is primarly regarding assertions that we are in a better place now than last year and weren't projected in the tournament at this point in 2023.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/tnet:-tigers-set-to-host-struggling-cards-2328718?tstart=120
"Can't somebody be wrong and admit they are wrong without it being some crazy conspiracy?" - Where have you admitted you are wrong? Is this supposed to count? You have not edited your original post on this matter as of the time of this posting.
Here's the original post in question:
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/tnet:-tigers-set-to-host-struggling-cards-2328718?tstart=120
"Ive heard this multiple times from various posters and it is blatantly untrue. On 2/2/23 (right before the last 11 games of the season) our net ranking was 62. We were(n't) in any projections to make the tournament. Our net ranking currently is 28th. We more room for error this season than we did last season. " - This isn't some random bit of trivia. You are being extremely precise: dates, games remaining, exact NET ranking. No reasonable person would believe you know this off the top of your head. Therefore it would be reasonable to believe that you looked this up before posting. Why would we think the statement about tournament projections wasn't equally precise?
"I assumed that with us being in the 60's, we weren't in the projections" - this doesn't hold up to much scrutiny. You were one of many who fervently believed we were robbed by the committee. On 2/2/23 we were 10-2 in the ACC and, I believe, tied for first. We would close the regular season 4-4 and go 1-1 in the ACC tourney. How could you possible have believed we would ever have gotten a bid to the tourney if you didn't believe it on 2/2/23. It makes no sense and you are lying to cover for your newer lies. We were safely in the tourney as of 2/2/23 (consensus 9 seed and appearing on 85 of 87 brackets) and were ranked in the AP top 25. Sources here:
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/team-rank?team=Clemson
https://web.archive.org/web/20230202022054/http://www.bracketmatrix.com/ (you'll have to C&P this entire link. Hyperlink does not take you there properly).
"I was wrong just like viztiz was wrong when he said UNC has a average final ap ranking of #7 when trying to explain how unc was not above average to bash our loss." Not even comparable in the slightest. I provided a very specific reference for my assertion about UNC's average ranking. https://www.collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/app_total.cfm He is free to disagree with the methodology but it most certainly does not make my citation "wrong". And it is not deliberately misleading as he is being. Unlike him, I did not pull my assertion out of thin air.
"Or when he said that brownell "refuses" to recruit a true PG." Here's my actual quote: " He is playing out of position because Brownell essentially refuses to recruit true point guards." Obviously this is a bit hyperbolic but it is also subjective. I believe my use of "essentially" and "true" give a lot of wiggle room here. But the essence of my argument is that a traditional point guard has not been a priority under Brownell. CM initially provided 4 examples to rebut my statement.
Dillon Hunter - He is considered a Point Guard. However he is sophomore average 14.8 minute with a 2.5 A/T ratio.
Del Jones - hes not even on campus
Dawes - he transferred after averaging a 1.15 A/T ratio
Honor - transferred in and out. Averaged a 2.3 A/T ratio
Perhaps my comment should have been put more artfully. Brad Brownell has consistently failed to recruit, develop, and retain point guards that can effectively direct an offense. Here's my proof.
A simple definition of the point guard role is to "facilitate scoring opportunities for their team." This has been abysmal under Brownell. Assists per game ranking by season under Brad:
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68
Assisted shots are hit with a higher percentage from every location of the floor. Corner 3s are hit with nearly 20% more accuracy when assisted. If you think you're watching bad basketball under Brad Brownell it is because you are.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:39 AM
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LOL YOUR OBSESSION WITH COACH IS VERY DISTURBING. YOU TRULY NEED HELP IMMEDIATELY. WOW.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:42 AM
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 10:43 AM
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Your obsession with the all caps button is very disturbing ....are you yelling or do you just not know how a keyboard works?
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:40 AM
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EVEN NCTIGS IS SANE COMPARED TO YOUR DIATRIBE. SCARY.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 9:46 AM
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can u read? Most of it is quotes for context. And I'm replying to lies, some of which are made directly about me. Only the last paragraph has anything to do with Coach Brownell and that is because Clemson Mountaineer chose to misrepresent my statements in his defense of Brownell. If your buddies would just shut up and stop making crap up to defend this coach there would be nothing to reply to.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Jan 31, 2024, 10:27 AM
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I have feeling that most on here don’t care. Good luck in your crusade.
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Ole Mike is that you?
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Jan 31, 2024, 10:11 AM
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Leave some electrons for every else
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exhausting***
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 10:25 AM
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Going off the deep end like olemike? Not worth the read. Thanks olemike59!
I’ll ask the question I always do. What should we change in the contract language that would ensure the success you are looking for? Either for the extension, or for a new coach if that helps you to imagine a rosy future.
Most people just ignore this question.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 11:51 AM
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I'm not aware of any coach in any NCAA sport with a performance clause as a part of their basic contract or one that would enable termination of the contract. There are incentives. And there are buyout to get out of the contract. Those could be made more robust or less restrictive, respectively. But if you want a good coach you have to pay them. There is no reason to continue this experiment. Who cares how good the incoming recruits are. This is supposedly the best team he has ever put on the court and we're 10th in a 3 bid league with 1 game to go to the midway point of the conference schedule. The season is 2/3rds done. So what if we limp into the tourney? Start the process all over? Then when next year is a major step back he has to start working the portal again just trying to keep his job one year at a time.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 12:17 PM
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MAYBE FROM HERE ON OUT YOU SHOULD SAY FOR EXAMPLE, HI, MY NAME IS VIZCOOT, OR WHOMEVER, MY LAST VISIT TO LITTLEJOHN TO SUPPORT OUR TEAM WAS "FILL IN THE BANKS" DAY, MONTH AND YEAR. MY GUESS IS THIS WILL BE CRICKETS BECAUSE MOST OF YOU B!TCHERS DO NOT GO TO GAMES OR SUPPORT THEM MONETARILY. ALL YOU DO IS TURN ON YOUR TV AND WAITFOR YOUR CHANCE TO #####. COME ON NOW, DONT BE SHY, LET US ALL KNOW WHAT GREAT FANS YOU REALLY ARE.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 12:20 PM
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again, tell me more about what a great coach and person Monte Lee turned out to be. Enabling a child abuser previously dismissed with cause while tanking our program. You have no credibility on the subject of evaluating coaches.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 12:33 PM
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AGAIN, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME, IF EVER, YOU GRACED THE DOORS OF LITTLEJOHN. NO FAIR LYING EITHER. I AWAIT THE CRICKETS.
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Re: Please list the Clemson sports which you have supported
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Jan 31, 2024, 12:59 PM
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IF YOU ARE SPEAKING TO ME, HERE WE GO. UNTIL ABOUT 5 YEARS AGO I HAD NOT MISSED A FOOTBALL GAME , HOME OR AWAY SINCE THE 80'S. WENT TO EVERY PLAYOFF GAME BUT 2. LOVE BASKETBALL. LIVE TO FAR AWAY TO GO TO AS MANY AS I WANT BUT HAVE BEEN TO AT LEAST 5 THIS YEAR. I WILL BE AT MANY BASEBALL GAMES AS I DO EVERY YEAR. I'LL PUT MY FAN CARD UP AGAINST ANY SO CALLED FAN ON THIS PATHETIC SITE.
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Guess you will be putting your card up against mine.
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Jan 31, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Mine is comparable.
So, did you pay for yours? It's important.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/re:-facts-34367447#34367447
WHAT IS TRULY AMAZING IS THIS POS TAKES FREE COACHES TICKETS FROM OUR BASKETBALL STAFF WHEN HE IS NOT EVEN A COACH OF A TBALL TEAM YET COMES IN HERE AND TALKS SH!T ABOUT THEM. TRULY MIND BOGGLING.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 12:21 PM
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If we were to fire for performance we should have done so many years ago if not a few years ago. Yes, this is a hire/fire at will position, but I don’t see the administration firing after what they have deemed “acceptable performance” previously. Probably because people that donate $$ also accept it. We expect some sort of epiphany, but is it really gonna happen after all these years? And I’m not talking the last 14. More like the last 100. If we require more, we need to put it in writing. Current incentives allow too many rewards for mediocrity ( see NIT incrntive).
Afterall, he has the highest ACC winning % of any coach we have ever had. And did it without a true PG. WOW!
Put it in the contract……
Win more/ any games against ranked teams on the road.
Recruit a true PG.
Stop turning the ball over.
Quit letting PJ shoot threes.
Quit losing games after long breaks
Stop wearing purple jerseys.
Maybe set a certain win % on games as a measure of success.
Gonna be a great read!
Your anger should be focused on Neff.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Jan 31, 2024, 12:27 PM
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Neff has never given Brownell an extension. I hope that, at worst, he will continue to run the clock on the current contract. If status quo is truly good enough he should have already gotten an extension since it is highly unusual to coach with only 2 years remaining on the contract. That is supposedly crippling to recruiting. Since that is actively being debunked by his incoming class there is no reason to think he can't coach with 1 year remaining just as well.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Jan 31, 2024, 1:04 PM
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You folks, on both sides of this issue, need to get a life, or a job if you don't have one. Quite frankly, the normal folks are sick of your pissing match.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Jan 31, 2024, 1:46 PM
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it's on the basketball board. You can use the ignore feature. or you can simply not read it. Not sure why it would be distressing to a disinterested party. I assume by "normal folks" you just mean people who aren't concerned with basketball one way or another.
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You are obsessed...it might be time to step back Tigernet, you are clearly not
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Jan 31, 2024, 2:14 PM
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in a good place...Look at all the effort you're putting into this...It's just college athletics
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Feb 10, 2024, 9:59 PM
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Wow, this board never ceases to amazed. It's Crazy that in the end, we are all basically on the same team... dysfunction in the family I suppose.
The good news is, Clemson won two ACC road games in a row and have four of the next five @ home. We could be sitting on the verge of a nice little roll... TIgerNet seems to need more than anyone else.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Feb 10, 2024, 11:18 PM
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It’s laughable and yet pathetic too. What will it be tomorrow?
Too many turnovers?
Bad coaching?
Scoring droughts?
Poor shot selection?
No Point Guard?
National ranking in assists?
Milton Jennings was underutilized?
Too many inactive players traveling with the team?
or STOP complaining all the time!
It’s anyone’s guess.
Go Tigers! Great win today! We support you! Well, at least some of us.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Feb 13, 2024, 5:34 PM
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Why are you doubt stealth edits just to bump threads too?
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Feb 13, 2024, 5:36 PM
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Just keeping your memory fresh. I'm also starting to enjoy the season. Sorry you are not.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Feb 13, 2024, 5:43 PM
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Not sure how this serves the purpose of the enjoyment of the season. And keeping my memory fresh? That you’re buddy / possible scock said a bunch of dumb ####? Why don’t you complain some more about how contracts are written.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Feb 13, 2024, 5:53 PM
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That asshat is most definitely a scok. A member for nearly 30years and less than a 1000 posts, less than a 1000 points and all of a sudden is posting like crazy at a high rate. Dude is such a goon.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Feb 13, 2024, 6:15 PM
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Still waiting for your answer on the long layoff unpreparedness. Oh well.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Feb 13, 2024, 6:03 PM
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"That you’re buddy / possible scock said a much of dumb ####?" What does that even mean? Is he Buddy or not? and what did he say?
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Feb 13, 2024, 6:06 PM
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If you don't think we're in a better place with a better team there is no helping you.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Feb 13, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Did you read the post or just make assumptions? Also, keep in mind, a new Brownell Bro scock chose to bump this 2 week old post. And nowhere in that 2 weeks has a single reply to this post refuted any of my points - which are directed at Clemson Mountaineers many misrepresentations.
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
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Feb 13, 2024, 6:50 PM
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Maybe you need a new hobby?
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Re: Bradsketball and the lies Brownell Bros tell
Feb 13, 2024, 7:01 PM
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TLDR
Go Tigers!
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