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Arch Manning
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Nov 15, 2023, 2:29 AM
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Quinn Ewers declared he’s returning to TX next year. Think Manning will transfer of course.
Would you rather have a slightly proven Cade Klubnik, or a completely unproven Arch Manning?
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Re: Arch Manning
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Nov 15, 2023, 2:41 AM
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CK2 all day!!!
Manning is just the name; would be surprised if he actually becomes a serviceable starter somewhere. I could be completely wrong on that...
But, CK2 is developing VERY nicely!
Go Tigers!!!
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Cade has played better the past two games but he still..
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Nov 15, 2023, 3:10 AM
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has a lot prove going forward mainly his downfield throwing and handling blitz’ and pressure
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Re: Watch the HS film
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Nov 15, 2023, 4:03 AM
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Cade played at the highest classification in Texas HS football and won…
Manning played at a private school level in Louisiana …some of the games are comically bad as far as level of competition…
This isn’t really a question….
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Re: Watch the HS film
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Nov 15, 2023, 9:03 AM
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HS competition level is an overrated statistic in determining most player's readiness at the CFB level.
By that metric and by some faulty logic currently proffered by the CFB pundits , only players from the SEC should ever be drafted by the NFL because the rest of CFB conferences are puny and weak.
The only thing that matters is the player, they can either do it or they can't...doesn't matter where they are in HS or who they're playing in my opinion....the game is the game.
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He didnt go to any camps
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Nov 15, 2023, 12:21 PM
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So it’s literally the only thing we have to go by, like Vizzina for example. He had a terrible high school team and season, but got his rankings by working the camp circuit and getting invited ti elite 11, etc.
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Re: Watch the HS film
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Nov 15, 2023, 12:56 PM
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Tigerdug
I think you are definitely wrong
You say by that logic, the NFL should only ever draft SEC players. Buttt, not to be an SEC slurpee, the SEC already does produce the most draft picks. It’s not as big of a difference as it used to be, but still. And this is simply because there is a higher percentage of future NFL athletes playing against each other in the SEC that prepares them.
Whether you think high school comp is a relevant predictor of a player’s success, you still have to factor it in when you are evaluating the player.
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Re: Watch the HS film
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Nov 15, 2023, 2:12 PM
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But, how do you explain Peyton and Eli playing at the same exact level and starting every year and being #1 picks. You can’t because it has no bearing on anything, plus Newman plays better competition than you think.
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FYI, Peyton and Eli played for that same private school.
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They certainly turned out all right…and then some.
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Re: Arch Manning
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I’ve said all along I didn’t think this guy would ever live up to the hype and I still feel that way. He has been media manufactured…
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Re: Arch Manning
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I’ve said all along I didn’t think this guy would ever live up to the hype and I still feel that way. He has been media manufactured…
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Re: Arch Manning
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Nov 15, 2023, 5:03 AM
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Sorry for the dupes. My phone has lost control of me.
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I've always wondered when humans would be controlled by phones
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Glad to hear that you are fighting back against robotic phone control!
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Re: Arch Manning
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I’ve said all along I didn’t think this guy would ever live up to the hype and I still feel that way. He has been media manufactured…
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Re: Arch Manning
Nov 16, 2023, 12:35 AM
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Come on man, his uncles have taught him all they know and worked with him for years. I could be a good QB with that raising!
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Re: Arch Manning
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Nov 16, 2023, 12:39 AM
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He will be really good.
These guys just don’t know.
Trevor was brought along closely by Peyton Manning during early years.
Just think about Arch’s resources for growth when he was coming up.
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This is Coot Talk
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Nov 15, 2023, 6:19 AM
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CK2 everyday
Manning was known to be overhyped be wise of the name . no one believed he was actually the #1 QB prospect
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Maybe he's not, but we recruited.
Nov 16, 2023, 9:45 PM
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We also recruited DJ.
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CK2 is just starting to show us his true talents on the field
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Plus, we have Christopher Vizzina waiting in the wings. I'm good with our guys.
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He will go to UGA and win a heisman behind an OL***
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Bet me that doesnt happen***
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Re: Bet me that doesnt happen***
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I’ll bet you $50 it does happen
You put Cade Klubnik on Georgia the last 3 years, there would be no drop off in success that they have had.
In fact, Cade behind Georgia’s Line likely would’ve won a Heisman compared to Stetson who did not.
It’s all about that line
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There's literally zero basis for that claim
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Nov 15, 2023, 2:16 PM
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aside from Cade being rated higher out of HS. He hasn't done anything at Clemson yet to suggest he's actually a better QB than Bennett was.
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Re: There's literally zero basis for that claim
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Nov 15, 2023, 9:30 PM
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Stetson was a walk-on😂 he played from 2017 to 2022. And he’s 26 already right now. You give Cade that long at Georgia with how deep they are he’ll win the Heisman.
If you put Cade on Georgia’s exact last 2 teams that Stetson played on and won back-to-back, Cade is not bad enough to stop that from happening.
I say this because Cade’s ceiling is wayyyy higher than Stetson. If you want to say “stars don’t matter”, they obviously do. Even though Hunger Renfrow was a walk on 3 star that had a great college career, you can see signs of him diminishing now in the league.
If you give Cade that surrounding support, he would thrive.
And he probably will at Clemson. Depends on surrounding support.
Also, if you put Stetson Bennett on this year’s Clemson team, is he still a Heisman finalist?
Hope you respond.
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Re: There's literally zero basis for that claim
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There's also the fact that Bennett was an experienced 25-year-old. A lot of 18-year-olds have been competing with men in their mid-twenties due to COVID.
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Re: Bet me that doesnt happen***
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Cade has made some terrible decisions. Stetson’s years of experience is what made him what he was not so much talent. Give cade the rest of this year and next year he might be able to win heisman.
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Dabo will get him when he takes over the Texas A&M Job
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Gotta stir the pot!
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Re: Arch Manning
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Nov 15, 2023, 6:56 AM
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Impossible to say.
Hopefully CK.
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Cade. Arch is over rated.***
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
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Arch is 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and hasn't been injured, he hasn't shown Texas anything yet or he would be second string.
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
Nov 15, 2023, 12:54 PM
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You obviously don't know about the second stringer at UT. Kid is an absolute monster. Cade was the safest bet in his class, but Murphy had the highest ceiling by far. It doesn't surprise me that Arch can't beat out a 5 Star who everyone wanted (Alabama wanted him most, then snatched up Simpson when he committed to UT) who has a year under his belt. They asked him to do way too much in his second start, but he'll be elite when Quinn moves on.
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
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Nov 15, 2023, 6:42 PM
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Arch won’t transfer, zero upside for him.
The real question is where Murphy will go.
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
Nov 16, 2023, 4:37 PM
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I mean, it entirely depends on what the depth looks like. If he's still third string going into spring practice, why would he stay. He wanted the redshirt, but no we're talking 2-3 years as a backup. I don't see any upside at staying at UT if he's still behind Murphy. Though you're right that Murphy might well portal to some good program as well. He could go to a good program like ND or Oregon (since Bo will be moving on) and play immediately. So Arch's future depends on Murphy's.
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
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Learn the facts before commenting please. Arch’s family wanted him to redshirt and that’s what he’s done. Has nothing to do with being buried on the depth chart.
People at practice say he’s looked every bit the part and the thing Arch does better than his uncles is run. He’s easily the fastest QB on the team and in high school he had some really long runs against fast teams and that was well documented with TV games.
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
Nov 15, 2023, 9:41 PM
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If you can tell me about why Arch Manning committed to Texas, and they seem very plausible, then maybe I’ll understand more.
First, as far as I know, Arch does not have any deep ties to Texas. No family, not his home, etc.
Secondly, the portal is chaos and the amount of players using it just keeps increasing. Especially for players looking for playing time.
Lastly, why would Arch Manning sit for a 2nd year behind Ewers after already doing so this year? The kid wants to play!
I obviously wouldn’t take it personal. Most of your recruits just see y’all as a big money vault. No real connection.
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Re: Cade. Arch is over rated.***
Dec 5, 2023, 9:33 AM
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None of your post is legit and I’m not taking it personally.
Eli was very interested in Texas back in the day and the family has many friends in Austin. The main thing was Sark and his offense. They believe he can develop Arch and he might even beat out Ewers. He’s only played in one real game and if you watched you saw what he can bring to the offense that neither Ewers or Murphy can do. The boy can run like granddad.
Again, the comments here seem like petty jealousy which should not be because y’all have won two titles since our last.
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If folks would pay attention they'd see the progress Cade has made this season.
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Our offense being turned around in the last couple games isn't about the O-line, the RBs or receivers. It's about Cade hitting guys crossing the field 5-7 yrds past the LOS and doing it without slowing their motion.
It's about Cade, who appears to 'look a safety or LB off,' has simply memorized the routes of his first, second and final checkdown.
From our first loss throughout this season I've said Cade wasn't playing any better than DJ. Now he's playing more like Trevor and I wouldn't be surprised to see him become as good as DW.
Cade is as dangerous now as any QB in the NCAA.
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Re: If folks would pay attention they'd see the progress Cade has made this season.
Nov 15, 2023, 11:35 AM
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Now I've heard it all. Yes, the pass couple of weeks Cade has improved but to say he is playing like TL16 or one day he will be good as DW4.....C'Mon Man...stop that. Right now Cade is not even among the top 20 in college football and may not even be in the top 7 of the ACC. His recognition skills and accuracy are average, arm strength and foot speed are below average. With the remaining schedule having teams Clemson should easily beat he should look good, but all of this talk about he will someday be this 1st all American or good as TL16 or DW4....nah you can give that a rest. He's no where close to that and will never be.
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Re: If folks would pay attention they'd see the progress Cade has made this season.
Nov 16, 2023, 12:45 AM
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You’ve not been watching Cade is playing like Deshaun did later on in his rookie season. He’s only going to get mush better!
Cade could win a Heisman next season if our WR’s improve + the rookies coming in are as good as advertised.
We have the best QB we could have recruited and Cade will prove it too. As he matures it’s going to be so much fun.
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Re: If folks would pay attention they'd see the progress Cade has made this season.
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Yeah man I’m willing to give credit to Cade’s progression, no doubt in my mind he has gotten better.
But I really don’t think Cade will ever reach the elite and level of perfection that we all expect out of our QB.
It’s understandable that it’s rare to have a DW and TL, but it doesn’t mean that you just have to accept that and be okay with it and to not try and get another QB that was recruited as highly as Trevor.
Arch Manning will be a top college QB. There’s no doubt really.
And this is just something that was in my head, Manning probably does not come to Clemson as a transfer. But it’s something that could instantly take us back.
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Re: If folks would pay attention they'd see the progress Cade has made this season.
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I don’t know when the next time Clemson will get a Trevor Lawrence.
But Cade nor Arch has to be Trevor Lawrence. Just a QB that can consistently get it done. Like a Max Dugan. One that can consistently make the throws.
But yeah I don’t even expect Arch to be Trevor. We do not need that though.
But you know what? Of Arch Manning were to come to Clemson for some reason, only good comes from it.
Dabo getting a transfer QB puts fire under Cade’s as*. Cade is progressing, but we all know what the Clemson standard is. And Dabo won’t fall for another DJ situation.
I think Cade needs competition. It’s when he thrives. Cade won the Elite 11 remember.
And if Cade cannot outcompete Arch Manning, then you’ve got your answer.
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Re: Arch Manning
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Nov 15, 2023, 12:09 PM
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What if transfers to Tennessee?
They are gonna need a qb.
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Re: Arch Manning
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What if transfers to Tennessee?
They are gonna need a qb.
They got that 5* from Hawaii taking over next year....
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Re: Arch Manning
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Considering that CK really only has two viable WR's to consistently throw to (Tyler Brown/Beau Collins), with Antonio Williiams available when he's healthy---I think he's done remarkably well. I'll pass on Arch Manning.
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Manning not transferring. Will be around next year.***
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Re: Arch Manning
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If Ewers does come back, there’s no guarantee that he wins the starting job. But, either he, Arch or Maalik Murphy will transfer and Arch is the least likely.
Believe the hype, guys at practice are saying he’s the real deal and he’s got the feet of his grandfather. The boy can run.
Also, Clemson’s got enough issues right now for you to worry about without your worries over a kid that most of you seem to think is overrated.
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Re: Arch Manning
Nov 16, 2023, 12:48 AM
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Arch isn’t overrated period, kids going to be incredible & a Heisman winner before he’s done.
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Re: Arch Manning
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I’ve looked and looked all over my sites and there’s nothing official about Ewers declaring anything. There’s speculation that he comes back and he isn’t ready for the next level. Actually, you people saying Arch is overrated without ever seeing him play on any level are clowns. A few years ago, so-called experts were claiming Ewers was the top QB prospect of all time and I laughed. But, unlike you, I’d actually watched him play. He’s nowhere near what Trevor Lawrence was coming out of Cartersville. TL was in a league of his own. Ewers wasn’t in the same ballpark.
Arch, however, is a whole lot closer. Only argue with me if you’ve actually seen the guy play. Otherwise, you can shove the jealous comments where the sun doesn’t shine.
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Re: Arch Manning
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Saw him play on tv nowhere near the arm talent of trevor.
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Re: Arch Manning
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Only if he brings had powers as a walk on.
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Dont want any part of the distraction that is the Mannings***
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Re: Arch Manning
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Chicken Collective is passing the feed bucket as we speak.
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Re: Arch Manning
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I would welcome Arch - and give him a fair chance to win the starting job at QB.
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Arch would be a portal player. Cade is not.
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Nov 15, 2023, 7:43 PM
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Case closed.
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Re: Arch Manning
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I rewatched the game where we hung 59 points on FSU.
Trevor has a pretty slow start.
He finds tee Huggins and justyn Ross for some easy jump balls and those DAWGZ make some great plays.
Trevor takes a lot of shots but can get the ball to those guys who inevitably can make a play.
We don’t have receivers that can really do that on the boundary - I think when Cade gets a few more we will really see him in action.
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His NIL deal paid off nicely from the sidelines for his freshman year
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Nov 15, 2023, 11:38 PM
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As he sets his sites on his new school/new year, I wonder how his NIL sponsors for Texas are enjoying the world of NCAA college football contracts.
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Re: I stand by
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Nov 16, 2023, 12:10 AM
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My post in this thread…
Watch his HS film….
I have …plenty of it …
Competition level does matter -
If a kid shines against sub par competition ..maybe it’s just the competition he’s up against ..
What I saw on film of Manning was unimpressive against sub par competition…
I’m not jealous of the kid ..nor do I wish him any ill will …he’ll be just fine if he never starts a down of college football…
What I saw of Cade was impressive..against some of the best HS football in the country …
Honestly - I think part of Cade’s issues stem from his high school experience…even against top competition his athleticism allowed him to get away with things that won’t work in college football..it’s taken longer than I thought to break some bad habits - but he’s getting better all the time…
I’ve also watched Quinn Ewers at the HS and college level…I believe Cade is a better QB and I believe that will be evident by the end of Cade’s career at Clemson…
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Re: I stand by
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Nov 16, 2023, 12:38 AM
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I do think Cade has all the potential in the world.
But I also know that DJ had all the potential in the world.
And we’re really focusing in on Clemson’s situation. That’s the subject.
Regardless of if you think Cade is a better QB than either Arch or Ewers, Cade is taking a while to progress to where we need him.
Cade does progress, but he does it slowly. There isn’t going to be some miraculous flip to an elite level out of Cade, it may take a full 4 years.
Clemson does not have time for that. We are on the clock here with remaining years with Dabo. We have declined. We should be looking for opportunities and risks to improve.
Even though I am saying we should take risks, bringing in Arch could actually light a fire for Cade that makes him step it up.
I just don’t see Dabo closing his mind to it. Only if Cade continues to make mistakes and bringing him back a few steps during his progression like DJ so often did.
And lll tell you right now, id for da** sure rather have Quinn Ewers right now.
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Re: I stand by
Nov 16, 2023, 12:56 AM
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I disagree with you on Manning, he’s going to be awesome. Cade is looking good but his ceiling in this offense will be incredible if our OL, WR’s & TE’s raise their level too!
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both
Nov 16, 2023, 8:18 PM
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both
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Re: Arch Manning
Nov 16, 2023, 8:21 PM
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He will return.
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Re: Arch Manning
Nov 17, 2023, 8:57 AM
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While nepotism is alive and well in Hollywood, politics and other areas Sports is a place where it doesn’t work. It’s merit based without an ability to hide it and few children inherit it.
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I think Cade is better than Arch.***
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