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110%er [9107]
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Boat question:
Jan 23, 2013, 12:17 PM
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Looking for a center console boat - will be used mainly at Keowee, but will be at Edisto 2-3x/yearly as well.
17-20 feet. Looking at Scout, Boston Whaler, Sea Hunt, Key West so far.
Any reason I should avoid those brands above? Or any other brands I should look at?
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renting a hole in the water is often better than owning one.***
Jan 23, 2013, 12:19 PM
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110%er [9107]
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Renting a boat every weekend would be ridiculously expensive***
Jan 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
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Heisman Winner [138555]
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No offense, Doc,
Jan 23, 2013, 12:23 PM
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but you probably have that kind of change in your couch cushions.
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All-In [27403]
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He didn't even offer to pick up the tab at dinner last night
Jan 23, 2013, 12:32 PM
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in my dream!
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Rock Defender [54]
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As compared to what?
Jan 23, 2013, 1:10 PM
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I've never lost money selling a boat. Buy'em right, sell'em the same way.
I wouldn't trade my time on the water for anything. Some folks like golf; to me it's an expensive waste of time. All depends on your priorities I guess.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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Same, I really don't understand the "money pit" claim
Jan 23, 2013, 1:14 PM
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I've been around boats my whole life, never had any more issues than you would with a car or something like that. I've actually probably had a lot more car issues. I think a lot of people just buy POS boats and don't maintain them like they should.
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Oculus Spirit [75940]
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Or they get one but don't have their
Jan 23, 2013, 1:16 PM
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priorities in order, leading them to not spend enough time on the water. I need a friend with a boat.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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That too. I've seen several people buy a pretty nice boat...
Jan 23, 2013, 1:20 PM
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Use it 2 or 3 times a year, let it sit the rest of the time outside, and complain like mad when something needs to be fixed/maintained.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Yep. "The battery went dead! It was fine when I used it 6
Jan 23, 2013, 1:24 PM
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months ago!"
And now with ethanol? They get told not use it, use it anyway, and 3 months from now they have a tankful of water and almost gas.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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Then get pissed, sell it for under value, thus "money pit"***
Jan 23, 2013, 1:26 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Now THAT'S a money pit
Jan 23, 2013, 1:37 PM
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Its only a 5 grand "initiation fee" and $350/month for two years! And you might get to use a boat some time in the winter!
That is, if the guy who owns it doesn't run off with your money..like he did in Jacksonville and in Charleston.
I hear its back up now with about 4 boats.
My old neighbor used to buy a boat in December and sell it the next August...never lost money on one, and always had a different boat.
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110%er [9107]
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Yep.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:45 PM
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We looked into something similar on Keowee and the #s were a joke if you do the math.
Plus, you're stuck only on that lake - what if you want to go somewhere else? What if they go out of business? What if boats aren't available on high traffic weeeknds?
No thanks.
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All-TigerNet [11044]
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Well, my point was just to rent the boat.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:49 PM
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They are a money pit. I'm talkin about Saltwater boats though, so maybe there's a difference.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Jan 23, 2013, 2:32 PM
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Again, I've never found any boat I've owned to be a "money pit".
My last house was a money pit though.
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Rock Defender [54]
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DoD has come nive center-console surplus
Jan 23, 2013, 12:19 PM
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battleships
I always chose DoD, no one messes with me on the lake, and no ones messes with Texas either
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Instead of buying a boat, find a friend with one.
Jan 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
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Let him throw his money in the lake.
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110%er [9107]
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Already got that.
Jan 23, 2013, 12:21 PM
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Spend enough time at the lake that I need (want) my own boat.
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You're not doing it right.***
Jan 23, 2013, 12:52 PM
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110%er [9107]
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Says my wife.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:47 PM
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Always.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Check out Duncan's Boats
Jan 23, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Duncansboats.com
Owned by a 1983 Clemson ME grad. They just picked up Nautic Star and Century, among many other brands.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I'd be leary of either of those two brands.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:15 PM
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Nautic Star has bounced from 3 or 4 dealers in Charleston in a short amount of time (<3 years). Word was there was a lot of warranty work they didn't want to pay for.
Century was sold by Yamaha last year; quality and longevity of the new owners are yet to be determined.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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Check out Pioneer...I think they're made in SC, too
Jan 23, 2013, 12:32 PM
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You're probably going to pay a good bit more for the Whaler, and in all honesty I don't think you're going to see a big difference in quality or functionality in any of the brands you listed based on what you plan to do with it. I think Scout's tend to be a little bit more family friendly, as well.
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Yep, Pioneer is a Scout "cousin" I think***
Jan 23, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Finding the hull that fits your needs is prolly more
Jan 23, 2013, 12:33 PM
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important than the manufacturer. Mostly on Keowee, you don't need a deep v-hull, but if you intend to go offshore down at Keowee you will. Down here on the gulf, I see a lot of Cape Horns, Grady Whites , Whalers, Sea Pro hulls that can serve as dual use inshore/offshore.
If buying used, find someone that uses their boat frequently...they've more than likely taken good care of the engine and done the right maintenance.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I disagree
Jan 23, 2013, 1:11 PM
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I'd rather have a boat with some hours on it than one with below average.
Worst thing for an outboard is sitting up, especially with ethanol.
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Thass why I said find someone who uses their
Jan 23, 2013, 4:36 PM
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boat frequently. Outboards that don't get used often can be major problems.
Lotta hours fishing a several times a week=good.
Uh, sellin' cuz I don't use it=bad.
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My dad's got a 20-something foot Aquasport Osprey
Jan 23, 2013, 12:43 PM
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I think he's looking to unload it pretty cheap....
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The same one that was found on a bridge after Sandy?***
Jan 23, 2013, 12:48 PM
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CU Medallion [54759]
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GET OFF MY BALLS, MAN
Jan 23, 2013, 1:52 PM
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he didn't list his requirements...
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Re: Boat question:
Jan 23, 2013, 12:50 PM
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Wide range of boats there. After having several and now owning none, my advice is to buy used. Just my .02
Key West, Sea Hunt, Sea Fox, etc. are the Chevy, Ford, Dodges of center consoles. They will likely meet all of your needs with less fit and finish, but better price.
Scout, Pioneer, Whaler, Pathfinder (Maverick), Ranger etc. are Cadillacs by comparison. I wouldn't say overall build quality is better but the fit and finish and options are better typically.
Power is also worth a lot of time considering. I like Yamaha and Suzuki 4-strokes, but I've been out of the game for a few years.
Enjoy your money pit and look forward to selling! 
Oh, and run the motor regularly. Keep fresh gas in it. Ethanol is da debil.
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Re: Boat question:
Jan 23, 2013, 12:52 PM
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And go with Max HP. You won't regret it.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Agreed: Ethanol is the worst idea ever.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:08 PM
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DON'T USE IT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
If real gas costs $.20/gallon more, its worth it.
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go with the key west, when you buy a whaler you pay
Jan 23, 2013, 1:01 PM
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a lot of $ for the name.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I've owned 3 or 4 Scouts, all have been great.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:07 PM
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I just sold (November) a 22' Scout walkaround and bought a 17' flats Scout. A little more trailerable and easier to use. Gas mileage is much better too.
I've had a Key West as well years ago; not a bad boat. Sea Hunts are a good value brand--you get a lot of boat for the money but their resale stinks. Whalers have good resale but they are way overpriced; the 17' Montauk is north of 35K now new. FYI--anything 17' Whaler is going to ride like crap. Might not mean much on a lake, but in anything with waves it will.
I'd recomend Scout, Key West/Sea Hunt (tie) and in a distant last, Whaler. Oh yeah..buy a Yamaha. Mercury outboards suck and new Evinrude ETEC's are so little known that they hurt resale, at least around here.
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110%er [9107]
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Scout/Yamaha is probably #1 on the list right now.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:41 PM
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A couple of buddies have them and they love 'em.
FIL has a yamaha on his bass boat and swears by it as well.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The Yamaha F150 may be the best outboard engine
Jan 23, 2013, 1:45 PM
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ever made. I'm not exagerrating here. Solid, powerful, strong engine.
If you do go Yamaha and buy used, be careful with 2002-2006 F200 and F225 (four stroke) engines. They had some bad parts in them that corroded and caused oil tank/exhaust leaks. Yamaha won't warranty them, but they have reduced the cost of the parts to fix them. A mechanic can scope the engine with the lower unit removed to see if theer is any rot. Some get it, some do not. After about late 2006 they changed parts on them in production and fixed the issue.
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110%er [9107]
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Probably not getting anything that big.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:47 PM
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Looking at Scout 175 Sportfish with 90s on them.
Found a nice 2007 that I'm gonna go look at.
Any problems with the 2007 90s that you know of?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Nope. Pretty much bullet proof as well.
Jan 23, 2013, 2:38 PM
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My new Scout has a F90 four stroke. Its basically the same as the 06/07 version. They haven't really changed (except for cowling decals in 2012) since Yamaha fuel injected them back around 2004-2005.
That 90 will push the 175 nicely--probably 42-45 mph. Good gas mileage, too.
Some big folks have complained about the 175/185/187 Scouts' scuppers letting water in the back of the boat but if you install Rabud "ping ping ball" type scuppers (about $15 each), there isn't a problem. The 185 Scout I had years ago never had that issue.
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Rock Defender [54]
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They tend to blur together after a few years***
Jan 23, 2013, 3:08 PM
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One percent'er.. lol***
Jan 23, 2013, 3:23 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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2 great days in a boat owner's life.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:13 PM
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The day you buy it, and the day you sell it.
Oh, and the day it gets stolen is a bad day.
$1 to C4L
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Rock Defender [54]
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I've been waiting for someone to say that.
Jan 23, 2013, 1:18 PM
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Of course, I disagree with that completely. Its normally stated by someone who probably shouldn't have bought the boat they did, or flatly doesn't know what they are doing with it.
And C4L should have used better locks.
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Rock Defender [54]
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BOAT
Jan 23, 2013, 1:49 PM
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Break
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Rock Defender [54]
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meh
Jan 23, 2013, 2:41 PM
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I've rarely regretted a dime I spend on my boat.
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Virtuoso [699]
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Why buy a center console that will be used mostly on a lake?
Jan 23, 2013, 2:11 PM
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Center consoles suck for cruising and spending the day on the lake. The seating is terrible and they really aren't set up for any water sports except tubing. If you are a stripper fisherman I can understand.
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110%er [9107]
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That's actually a legit question.
Jan 23, 2013, 2:32 PM
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We go down to Edisto 3-4x/year - not really enough to justify purely an ocean type boat.
Really just asking about CCs to see what opinions are.
Not quite sure what type of boat we're getting yet.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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A dual console might fit your needs well.***
Jan 23, 2013, 2:39 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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A CC will hold its value better.
Jan 23, 2013, 2:40 PM
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I like a DC; had a Grady once I really liked. But the CC will hold its value better and is easier to sell.
You won't find many quality CC's for sale at a good price, at least not for very long.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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Yeah, but if you're just cruising the lake most of the time
Jan 23, 2013, 2:44 PM
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I'd say a DC would be more comfortable of a boat to just kick back in for the day and drink beer.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I promise, you can drink beer in just about any style
Jan 23, 2013, 2:46 PM
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of boat. I have done it.
Except canoes. Those are a PIA.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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No doubt, you can do it...I just think it's more comfortable
Jan 23, 2013, 2:49 PM
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to sit down instead of semi-stand.
You need a cup holder in your canoe.
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good leaning post/bench with a back rest and feet on the
Jan 23, 2013, 2:52 PM
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console. Drive with your foot. Better than a lazy boy.. and frees up the hands for a beer.
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It's hard to find a good DC used.
Jan 23, 2013, 2:50 PM
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Of course like ^ said, it's probably hard to sell one too. I loved all of my CC's on booze cruising days. Being able to walk around makes the boat seem a lot bigger. Not always bumping into people walking bow to stern. I had a KW2020 with a t-top (loved it, but too big for inshore) and then a Pathfinder 1900. I miss them both. WITH KIDS, I'd probably go to a DC. That'll be my next, if not a pontoon boat again, but GAWD I'm tired of going slow.
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Oculus Spirit [79596]
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Good lord man, if you're going to get a pontoon, at least
Jan 23, 2013, 2:57 PM
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get a tri-toon with a 250 or 300. I've seen some of those things fly.
If I could somehow keep the Nautique, I'd love to have me a 15-17 ft. CC. I really need multiple boats....A skiing, fishing, Donzi Classic 22', and new RXP Sea-Doo and I'd be set.
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Rock Defender [54]
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All boats are a compromise
Jan 23, 2013, 3:10 PM
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There isn't a perfect one, thats for sure.
I've never owned a pontoon. Not sure I'd ever want one.
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I've already had the pontoon. For up here it was OK
Jan 23, 2013, 3:39 PM
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Probably won't do it again, but as the family grows priorities change. The trihulls are bad ###. The dealership near me has a tricked out one with a 454 inboard with captain's choice. It's pretty cool.
Multiple boats would solve all our problems. Unfortunately, I've dumped them all but the john boat and it ain't going anywhere!
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