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Blogger: No way FSU to the big 12 and by extension CU.
May 7, 2012, 9:28 AM
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Do remember nearly all of this stuff has been driven mostly by one guy and a couple of his buds. Honus "the dude" Sneed of Eer Insider (this is a source?)
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If you’re reading this you’ve heard the “FSU (and Clemson) to Big 12” rumors. I’m typically able to ignore similar nonsense which breeds on college football’s scum-covered basement of message boards. The difference here is that I’ve made a name for myself being right about conference realignment due to my ability to understand the multi-faceted nature of these moves and feel a duty to end this foolishness.
With that in mind, here are reasons Florida State University (and Clemson) will NEVER join the Big 12:
•Academics. The people spreading these rumors don’t possess degrees from the universities whose futures they want to determine. To them, these are “teams,” not “universities.” Florida State is first and foremost a UNIVERSITY, not a football team. The individuals who ultimately would make a decision of this gravity – the university president and board of trustees – are highly educated people, many FSU graduates, who understand athletics is a piece (an important piece, but not the whole purpose) of an overall university mission.
In the 2012 U.S. News and World Report rankings of American colleges and universities the ACC stood head and shoulders above all other BCS conferences with an average ranking of 43.25. That ranking stands almost 30 places higher than the next highest for any conference and a country mile ahead of the Big 12 whose average placement was 100.3. In language as simple as I can make it, NO UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL EVER LEAVE AN ASSOCIATION WITH SCHOOLS LIKE DUKE, UNC, WAKE FOREST, MIAMI, GEORGIA TECH, BOSTON COLLEGE AND VIRGINIA IN FAVOR OF ONE WITH TEXAS TECH, OKLAHOMA STATE, WEST VIRGINIA AND KANSAS STATE.
If you’re one of the many who doesn’t think academic reputation matters to conference expansion, let me enlighten you.
Why were Texas A&M and Missouri invited to join the SEC? There were many reasons and one of the biggest was the membership of those two schools in the prestigious Association of American Universities. The SEC not only wanted to improve its collective television markets with the addition of the Aggies and Tigers, it wanted to improve its academic clout.
Why was neither the SEC nor ACC interested in adding West Virginia University despite its strong athletic department? Why has the University of Louisville been left behind in this recent round of expansion? Neither WVU nor UL possesses a strong enough academic reputation to be courted by any conference aside from the scholastically puny Big 12. With its athletic excellence, industry-leading facilities, brand value, resources, charm and ownership of a medium sized TV market if it weren’t for academic reputation the University of Louisville would have joined the SEC, ACC or Big 10 long ago. (This is not to say UL is a bad school; it’s a fine school whose mission has been largely about service to non-traditional college students which accounts for its lower rankings. This is a long story I won’t get into here.)
Never was the influence of academics on conference expansion made more clear than the Pac 12’s refusal to add four Big 12 schools in the Fall of 2011. Remember when it was a “done deal” that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were joining the Pac 12? They all wanted to go and Pac 12 Commissioner Larry Scott wanted them in, but the presidents at his member institutions told him “no” – emphatically. Despite the new TV markets it would have opened up, despite the cash windfall it would have presented, despite the power of the Texas and Oklahoma brands, the presidents of great academic institutions like Cal-Berkley, Stanford, UCLA, USC and Washington said we’re not letting Texas Tech and Oklahoma State into this conference. Period.
Conference expansion involves multiple factors. Academics plays a larger role than fans recognize. This is the number-one reason FSU will never join the Big 12 and it’s such a strong reason none others are needed.
•Big 2 Little 8. When fans discuss FSU moving to the Big 12 they often talk about the excitement of football games and road trips to Texas and Oklahoma. True enough. Texas and OU are two of the most powerful , prominent and well-respected brands in all of college sports. These fans fail to acknowledge there are eight other members in the league. Do road trips to Lubbock and Waco, TX, Ames, IA and Morgantown, WV stack up favorably to Atlanta, Boston, Charlottesville, and Chapel Hill? Fact is, once you get past the Longhorns and Sooners the Big 12 is a stinker. In life you are the company you keep and FSU’s brand and reputation is vastly improved keeping company with the current members of the ACC.
The Big 12 hasn’t lost four of its best schools over the past two years because it’s a great place to be. Elite universities are fleeing the Big 12; why would FSU want to join it? If the Big 12 wasn’t good enough for Colorado, Nebraska, Texas A&M and Missouri – universities who lived in the Big 12 for years, competed in it for years, recruited in it for years, intimately understood the culture and political climate and are actually located in its footprint – then it can’t be good for Florida State. No one’s leaving the ACC despite what you read. The ACC is bedrock solid and has been for years while the Big 12 in each of the past two summers has been on the brink of extinction. Is it that hard for you to imagine something similar happening during the next round of conference expansion in five or six or eight or 10 years and seeing the Seminoles stuck in a Big 12 without Texas? It isn’t for me.
•Culture. Florida State is a Southeastern university. Despite the diversity of its students and faculty, despite its national athletic brand, FSU is Southern. The Big 12 is Western, Texas, Great Plains. Culturally, those states, those people, those institutions and fans are vastly different from Seminole fans. Different values, different ethics, different points of view. Culturally, FSU is much more ACC than it ever would be Big 12. “Fit” matters in life and conference affiliation.
The SEC and Big 10 are the two most powerful conferences in college football and their power doesn’t come from good football or big TV markets, it comes from unity. Their power is derived from a shared set of beliefs, an “all for one, one for all” mentality. A mentality the Big 12 has never shared and never will. The disparate nature of the Big 12 schools and locations, the imbalance of power between the Longhorns, the Sooners and the rest of the league, its lack of a shared vision of the future or shared culture makes the Big 12 weak in its bones. FSU (and Clemson) joining the Big 12 only creates more hodgepodge, more incongruity, less shared cultural values and less cohesion and brotherhood. The ACC has divisions between its membership, but they pale in comparison to those present in the Big 12.
FSU leaving the ACC for the Big 12 forever alters the course of the University away from the Southeast and toward Texas and the Great Plains not only in athletic competition, but in recruiting, student body composition and a dozen other areas. Taking FSU out of the Southeast and dramatically altering its culture, future and nature would be a terrible decision.
•All other sports. Big 12 football is better than ACC football. The ACC as an overall athletic conference is today and always has been better than the Big 12. In the 2010-2011 Learfield Sports Directors’ Cup, a broad measurement of a universities’ overall athletic success for men’s and women’s sports, the ACC had five members in the top 30 (Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland and Florida State) while the Big 12 had only two (Oklahoma and Texas – Big 2 Little 8). Football stands as the most important of all college sports in any way you want to measure it, but if you’re going to compete in other sports – and FSU is – you should seek to compete at the highest level.
FSU’s overall athletic success across all of its teams has never been higher. Recently, FSU was the ONLY athletic department in the nation to place all of its teams – 19 – into postseason play. Maybe FSU’s recent men’s basketball tournament title, its track and field national championships, its College World Series appearances, it’s Olympians (all achieved competing in the ACC) mean nothing to you; they mean a great deal to many Seminole fans who have not yet lent their voices to this conversation.
Join the Big 12, begin competing against inferior completion and watch the best prospective student-athletes you bring on campus choose somewhere else to play. A move to the Big 12 surely and in swift fashion leads to the devaluation of every team on campus.
•Fan disengagement. If FSU moves to the Big 12 it faces the prospect of its nearest conference rivals (aside from Clemson – making the huge assumption they’d follow the Noles into this folly) being West Virginia 840 miles away and Texas 870 miles away. Additionally the Big 12 has a nine-game conference football schedule. So does the ACC. I believe the SEC will soon. This means a move by FSU to the Big 12 kills either the Miami or Florida rivalry.
Put this all together: the academic devaluation, the collapse of the total athletic department’s success, the loss of rivalry games and cultural discomfort generates massive fan disengagement. This disengagement results in fewer fans at football, basketball and baseball games – home and away. It results in long-time FSU fans becoming less connected to the University. It results in FSU sports generating fewer dollars in the community. These suddenly disengaged fans donate less money creating a funding void no beefy football-driven TV contract can fill. Booster donations account for the majority of money at the biggest athletic departments – FSU included, where contributions accounted for $19.3 million in revenue while combined NCAA and conference distributions accounted for just $13.8 million in 2010-2011. Join the Big 12, disengage your fans, have your booster donations dry up and FSU will find out what hard times really mean.
I am not against change. If FSU were presented an invitation to a better conference than the ACC, namely the SEC, I would advise the Seminoles take it. That invitation is not coming. I am also not blindly in love with the ACC. I think the league needs fresh leadership. I think the conference needs to address its shortcomings in football from dreadful officiating to a lack of on-field success to a cockamamie divisional alignment immediately. I think the ACC needs to be more ambitious, aggressive and innovative telling its story and promoting its brand. Those changes would be best made by FSU working from inside the conference, partnering with like-minded institutions to steer the league on a more contemporary, football-minded course.
Changing conferences is a generational decision. Its impacts are felt for decades on both the athletic department and university at-large in a multitude of ways few can envision. The message-boarders treat it with the casualness of switching channels on TV. While not perfect, the ACC remains an infinitely better athletic home for Florida State University than the Big 12 is now or ever will be.
Later this week I’ll explain to you how the arguments of those promoting FSU to join the Big 12 are based on false premises.
http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/forget-rumors-reasons-why-fsu-would-never-join-the-big-12/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ChuckOliverFootball+%28Chuck+Oliver+Football%29
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HAHAHA! Chadd Scott = total tool. He has ZERO sources***
May 7, 2012, 9:33 AM
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Re: HAHAHA! Chadd Scott = total tool. He has ZERO sources***
May 7, 2012, 9:41 AM
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I still don't understand how academics has to do with joining a conference. I mean I understand a school would like to be assoicated with another great academic school but what in the hell does that have to do with football? If Clemson or FSU joined the Big 12, they don't have to lower their academic standards.
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Chadd Scott or Honus the Dude
May 7, 2012, 9:45 AM
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we report---you decide....
and BTW uni presidents ultimately make these decisions....academics has a ton to do with all this
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As for me--I like the ACC championshiop game in Charlottte- I'd hate giving that up.
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Re: Chadd Scott or Honus the Dude
May 7, 2012, 9:49 AM
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I understand that but what does that have to do with joining a conference? Do they get more or lose money? Do they have to change their academic standards? I'm just trying to get a better understanding on this whole academic thing.
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At this point it's just academic.***
May 7, 2012, 10:01 AM
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The whole academic argument is nonsense
May 7, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Clemson's academic standards are not relative to the schools we are in an athletic conference with.
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Excuse me?***
May 7, 2012, 10:00 AM
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May 7, 2012, 10:48 AM
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excuse you from what
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Not understand why academics wouldn't play into...
May 7, 2012, 11:41 AM
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conference affiliation.
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Re: Not understand why academics wouldn't play into...
May 7, 2012, 1:25 PM
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Our academic reputation isnt because of duke or uncheat....and its not like texas,baylor or OU are terrible academic institutions
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Re: Not understand why academics wouldn't play into...
May 7, 2012, 1:33 PM
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So Texas, Baylor, and OU are terrible academic institutions because of their conference and because they are not a top 25 academic school?
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Re: Not understand why academics wouldn't play into...
May 7, 2012, 1:46 PM
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well...apparently you mis understood what I wrote...I was making a statement that they ARE NOT bad academic schools...Just used those 3 as an example...that joining the big 12 would not be some blow to academics
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Re: Not understand why academics wouldn't play into...
May 7, 2012, 1:50 PM
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my bad. I over looked your statement
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I've been preaching this for a while now ...... the only
May 7, 2012, 11:15 AM
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relevance is if your school's standards are so out of whack from the rest of the conference that you cant get kids into school and they end up other places.
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Chuck Oliver's website and the drivel that gets posted on
May 7, 2012, 9:57 AM
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there is barely a step above Bleacher Report. Barely.
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^^^^ worried
May 7, 2012, 10:19 AM
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he can't get his $$$$ for the bigx11 jammies he ordered.
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speaking of jammies, ^^^wears Steve Spurrier pajamas^^^***
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May 7, 2012, 10:24 AM
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to get my commemorative 5th place ring.
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and not just my Z beotch.
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Re: Blogger: No way FSU to the big 12 and by extension CU.
May 7, 2012, 10:08 AM
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"In the 2012 U.S. News and World Report rankings of American colleges and universities the ACC stood head and shoulders above all other BCS conferences with an average ranking of 43.25. That ranking stands almost 30 places higher than the next highest for any conference and a country mile ahead of the Big 12 whose average placement was 100.3. In language as simple as I can make it, NO UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT OR BOARD OF TRUSTEES WILL EVER LEAVE AN ASSOCIATION WITH SCHOOLS LIKE DUKE, UNC, WAKE FOREST, MIAMI, GEORGIA TECH, BOSTON COLLEGE AND VIRGINIA IN FAVOR OF ONE WITH TEXAS TECH, OKLAHOMA STATE, WEST VIRGINIA AND KANSAS STATE."
Four years ago my oldest daughter told her boss, a UGA grad that her father had graduated from Clemson's College of Art and Architecture in 1988. She came home and told me that he looked at her inquisitively and ask "Clemson, where the hail is Clemson?"
When she returned to work the next day she reported to him that I had said "bullchit, bulldog, you know where Clemson is. It's somewhere between the University of Georgia and Harvard." That ended the discussion.
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Re: Blogger: No way FSU to the big 12 and by extension CU.
May 7, 2012, 10:52 AM
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Hail yes. Tell em' bro!
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You know there are very few grads that want their degree...
May 7, 2012, 11:45 AM
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tarnished by the likes of the SEC, Big 12 or Big East. You can usually tell the true grad by our lust to have a fine institution like Noter Dame in our conference.
I'm not trying to differentiate between fans who aren't grads and those who are. It's natural selection. 
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Re: You know there are very few grads that want their degree...
May 7, 2012, 11:49 AM
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So...if you are a student and their schools is in the SEC, Big12, or Big East...that means their degree is tarnished by what sports conference their school is in?
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No.
May 7, 2012, 1:34 PM
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I said a Clemson degree would be tarnished by moving to the conferences you named. It's like being in a tower alone. There is only one way to look if you want to see others, DOWN.
Those you mentioned did the best they could. They chose their school. I didn't pick it for them. Sorry if that offends you but I think most Clemson grads agree we look down on the educational standards of Big 12, SEC and Big East for the most part.
Now you gonna tell me they have Universities that compare to Clemson? I can't wait.
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Re: No.
May 7, 2012, 1:41 PM
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No..Clemson has a better academic ranking than those schools and I'm fine with that. There is nothing wrong with being proud of your school and degree but just because my school is ranked behind yours, doesn't mean its a terrible school. How is a degree being tarnished by moving into the Big 12, SEC, etc. Is that something they ask you during a interview for a job? Does that disqualify your from a job because of what conference you are in? I can see it now...I'm sorry but we can't hire you because your college played in the Big 12.
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Re: No.
May 7, 2012, 2:03 PM
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You insist on bringing the focus on your school. I've kept the focus on Clemson. If there is an issue with your school then it is a personal problem. I don't go looking for arguments about such as this. I made a statement and I stand behind it. My degree would be tarnished if Clemson joined the SEC, Big 12 or any other third tier (in education) conference.
You can't imagine that because you have no frame of reference. Sorry for being so harsh but I expect you to create another strawman and argue alone. I quit.
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Re: No.
May 7, 2012, 2:11 PM
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What do you mean I have no frame of reference. Just because I don't graduate from Clemson, then my degree ain't worth a ####. Your comments was not harsh, you just sound like a prick that made a ####### comment
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Re: No.
May 7, 2012, 2:18 PM
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btw..I never mentioned my school. I was talking about schools in other conferences.
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Here is the big problem (and I tend to want us to stay put)
May 7, 2012, 10:16 AM
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money talks and ######## walks.
If the money is big enough, both FSU and Clem would at MINIMUM consider this and if its as big as advertised they might just go.
Follow the money.
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No less credible than "Random WV Blogger Guy".******
May 7, 2012, 10:21 AM
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No mention about the pay increase
May 7, 2012, 10:25 AM
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The amount of money the university could gain is completely left out of this guy's argument, and it is probably the most important. An extra $20M per year is a lot to pass up because you want to be in a league where your peers have good academic reputations.
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Wait - Moving from the ACC to the Big 12 would give
May 7, 2012, 10:27 AM
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Clemson an extra $20 million per year?
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No, lol no way. He did address it by the way...
May 7, 2012, 10:29 AM
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he said FSU would lose more money from donations than they would gain through a fat TV contract.
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My random Blogger of the day is.... "The Dude"....I'm
May 7, 2012, 10:49 AM
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so tired of Tobacco Road, Swofford, and the extra $$$$ USuCk gets by virtue of being in a strong football conference.
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Re: Blogger: No way FSU to the big 12 and by extension CU.
May 7, 2012, 11:15 AM
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I think the league needs fresh leadership. I think the conference needs to address its shortcomings in football from dreadful officiating to a lack of on-field success to a cockamamie divisional alignment immediately. I think the ACC needs to be more ambitious, aggressive and innovative telling its story and promoting its brand. Those changes would be best made by FSU working from inside the conference, partnering with like-minded institutions to steer the league on a more contemporary, football-minded course.
This is dead on. Wasn't Swofford supposed to retire awhile back or was that just a rumor? He clearly doesn't have what it takes. The good 'ol boy system he's used with regards to critical partnerships such as the one with Raycom Media has not benefited us in the slightest, and I would argue has held us back. It took until 2010 for them to re-brand to ACC Network for goodness sakes. He or his sales team obviously hasn't done a good job selling the ACC brand. The marketing, branding and promotion strategies have been very bland and weak. We need a forward thinking leader who is truly passionate about turning the ACC into an elite athletic conference, not a UNC, basketball-first homer who gives handouts to his kids (Raycom).
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"... and now for the rest of the story." Swofford should go.***
May 7, 2012, 11:25 AM
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Let not your heart be troubled.
May 7, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Before the ACC allows Clemson ($$$) and FSU ($$$) to leave even tobacco road will be ready to fire Swaffie.
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Re: Let not your heart be troubled.
May 7, 2012, 11:53 AM
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U ARE dreaming!!!!!!no way the ACC gets rid of swoffie or ever places football @ the top of conf priorities!!
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I will say this...
May 7, 2012, 1:51 PM
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If Clemson, FSU, Miami, VT, GT and somebody else would step up and win some big out of conference games, and put us back...would the ACC be considered a football school then? I think so...we have to do it on the field...FSU and Clemson are getting the recruits...now they need to bring it on the field...VT has had strong teams, but have not won the big one..Miami needs to step back up..so on so forth...The ACC will continue to be considered a BB school because our BB teams (ie. Duke, UNC) win those games typically...
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Anyone with a clue already knows this.***
May 7, 2012, 11:54 AM
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Oculus Spirit [94302]
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hmmmm...
May 7, 2012, 1:35 PM
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We have common ground.
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This guy also said that WVU would NEVER leave Big East...
May 7, 2012, 12:48 PM
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Hmm...
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Re: This guy also said that WVU would NEVER leave Big East...
May 7, 2012, 5:53 PM
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looks like he may have overlooked the same situation both times too. What if Vatech and NC State decide to go to the SEC? (its already been said that the SEC wants to go to 16, and VA and NC schools are very likely candidates). I gotta think those two schools bailing and being replaced with Pitt and Syracuse would make the decision a lot harder for Clemson and FSU
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The problem he does not address is what if UF and So. Car's
May 7, 2012, 1:05 PM
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TV money takes a parabolic move up to the sky (Slive is currently renegotiating the SEC TV deals)? The SEC TV deals are already significantly better than that of the ACC. Will FSU (and Clemson) sit idly by while their rivals get a lot richer (leading to bigger recruiting budgets, newer and better facilities sooner, outbidding us for coaches they want, etc.)?
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Re: The problem he does not address is what if UF and So. Car's
May 7, 2012, 1:23 PM
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we simply MUST MATCH their $$$(or close to it) or we get left WAY behind!!
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Oculus Spirit [94302]
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So where do we spend all the extra money?***
May 7, 2012, 1:37 PM
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Orange Blooded [2253]
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Slush fund to buy 5 star recruits, of course !! LOL *****
May 7, 2012, 5:36 PM
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Re: Blogger: No way FSU to the big 12 and by extension CU.
May 7, 2012, 1:46 PM
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I think a move to the Big 12 would be a huge mistake. It would virtually destroy Clemson fan base travelling to every game. My Lord, do you realize how far everyone would have to go to see our team 5 times a year in football? I think the expenses of flying our athletes would greatly dimish any gain in monies we would get from joining that conference. It may sound good but beware...it just ain't that great. What really should happen is the ACC needs to prioritize football in its next 2 conference adds (Not. Dame, etc) and they need Clemson, FSU, Miami, Ga. Tech, Va. Tech to make a stand on the national stage. Then, that ellisive contract with the networks will be ours too. Also....give Swofford the boot pronto!
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