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You know, I generally think police over step their bounds
Mar 1, 2016, 2:35 PM
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and can be out of control. I think they live by a different set of laws than us.
That said, I see these younger guys walking the road by my house at night constantly. Hoodie on, hood up, dark clothing, and it'll be like 10:00 at night. Sorry, but I'm assuming they're up to no good, and I'm sure the cops would too. I usually spot light them if I can, and they tend to scurry away. But you can't tell me they're just little innocent Trayvon's trying to get home to see their mama.
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I think you're onto something, in that they may be up to no
Mar 1, 2016, 2:37 PM
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good. Whether or not we want our officers playing judge, jury and executioner is another matter.
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Oculus Spirit [79508]
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No, I agree that we definitely don't want that
Mar 1, 2016, 2:45 PM
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But I see how they could make this mistake in this particular situation. It's dark, the person is seemingly trying to conceal their identity, and they've got what appears to be a gun in their hand. Quite a different scenario from say, the Seneca incident.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Yeah it also seems like really bad luck/stupidity mixed.
Mar 1, 2016, 2:50 PM
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I've got a bb pistol at the house. Looks like a real gun. I don't walk down the street waving it at people.
The article said they tried to taze him, but they aren't releasing the video.
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This time I am going to side with the officers so it will
Mar 1, 2016, 2:55 PM
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come out that this kid was a legit honor student that had never been in any trouble.
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Re: This time I am going to side with the officers so it will
Mar 1, 2016, 2:57 PM
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Love when the blame falls on the officers that it was a good kid/person. Then you find out they have 32 arrest.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Is 32 the magic number for summary execution?***
Mar 1, 2016, 2:58 PM
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Re: Is 32 the magic number for summary execution?***
Mar 1, 2016, 3:07 PM
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No but like you said I don't walk down the street with a gun regardless of type. And I've never been arrested. So typically I'm not confronted by the police. A lot of the people shot have had multiple run ins with the law and officers know they are trouble. Bottom line is I usually don't feel bad for trouble makers who end up on the wrong end. They aren't productive members of society and don't chip in. I don't care what color they are. My wife has a half sister that is a piece of #### too. Hope that's not to honest and hurtful for peeps.
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Maybe not too honest but sounds a little fascist.***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:38 PM
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Re: Maybe not too honest but sounds a little fascist.***
Mar 1, 2016, 5:11 PM
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Don't care who takes out the garbage as long as it's cleaned up.
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Ok that was a lot fascist.***
Mar 1, 2016, 5:43 PM
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Of the cases I know about, so far none have involved
Mar 1, 2016, 3:00 PM
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people who are clean. I am not saying they should be dead, I'm saying they have made a series of bad choices in life and that their life ended with a run in with the cops doesn't shock me.
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Re: I think you're onto something, in that they may be up to no
Mar 1, 2016, 9:50 PM
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If someone is waving a gun around and fails to follow simple instructions it makes one wonder wth are you thinking.
If I'm doing something and an officer gives me instructions, I'll save my ### and do what he/she says.
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I always wonder why shooting a kid with bb pistol
Mar 1, 2016, 3:11 PM
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is fine with a certain subset of folks, but even questioning a tea party dude with an assault rifle at an airport is viewed as some kind of violation of his rights by some of the same people.
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Oculus Spirit [75902]
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The same reason a subset of people
Mar 1, 2016, 3:23 PM
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steadfastly support the likes of the man that was killed in Missouri. Those people would probably cheer the tea party person's death.
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I like to positively identify the diameter of the barrel of
Mar 1, 2016, 3:56 PM
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the fire arm that's being pointed at me before I fire back to ensure it's not just a harmless BB gun.
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To be fair, if you are firing back, you should have an idea
Mar 1, 2016, 4:04 PM
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if it was a bb or real bullet flying at you.
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Nope. You point a gun at me, I'm going to try to kill you.***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:07 PM
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Oculus Spirit [75902]
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That is fine, just don't call it shooting
Mar 1, 2016, 4:08 PM
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back if you shoot first is all. I don't even care if you shoot back at somebody who shoots a bb at you. Just know the difference.
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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I'm having a hard time following your logic here, aero.
Mar 1, 2016, 4:10 PM
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Are you saying the police should wait and positively identify what type of firearm a person is point at them before they decide to shoot at him?
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Oculus Spirit [75902]
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Look man, you are the one who said fire back.
Mar 1, 2016, 4:12 PM
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Now, if somebody has done shot at you and you can't tell if it was a bb or a real black power propelled bullet, that is a you problem.
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Oculus Spirit [78876]
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So, they should wait to be fired upon?***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:13 PM
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Oculus Spirit [79508]
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Or accurately measure the barrel diameter, yes
Mar 1, 2016, 4:15 PM
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What do you want, for this country to become the wild west or something?
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Oculus Spirit [75902]
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Okay Biff.***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:16 PM
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It is true.***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:17 PM
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Honestly, why aren't the cops pounding folks with
Mar 1, 2016, 4:11 PM
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beanbag loads from a shotgun from behind cover? It seems like that would be a little more effective than the proximity in which you have to get to make a taser work. A half dozen beanbag loads and the suspect is alive, and has a long life in which to remember the pain of waving a gun of any type around in front of cops. Beanbag loads are effective up to 75 feet, as opposed to a taser being effective between 15 and 25 feet. Given the option in non-lethal ordinance, I know what I would choose.
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They should just shoot for the knees or arms.
Mar 1, 2016, 4:12 PM
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Try to wound.
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Spraying the area a suspect occupies indiscriminately with
Mar 1, 2016, 4:15 PM
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an assault rifle insures your best chance of landing wounding shots.
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A hockey stick shot out of a cannon of some sort?***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:17 PM
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NOW WE'RE FINALLY GETTING TO REAL SOLUTIONS.***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:18 PM
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Oculus Spirit [75902]
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I think we can rig a table saw to do what we need
Mar 1, 2016, 4:21 PM
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and also have a table saw.
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Wouldn't this fall under the cluster bomb category?
Mar 1, 2016, 4:23 PM
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I believe those are outlawed by the Geneva Convention.
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I'm pretty sure we invaded Geneva when Reagan was pres.
Mar 1, 2016, 4:26 PM
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Kicked their ##### then, so, shouldn't be a problem.
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I'd suggest we use something from a minority sport like
Mar 1, 2016, 4:24 PM
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soccer, but getting hit with soccer balls fired out of a cannon is really something more akin to getting in a naked tickle fight really, when you stop to think about it.
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Oculus Spirit [75902]
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Croquet balls.***
Mar 1, 2016, 4:29 PM
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Oculus Spirit [79508]
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Lacrosse balls are another good option
Mar 1, 2016, 4:32 PM
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Still bouncy, but can pack a punch. Plus, nobody at all cares about lacrosse.
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Whoa, whoa, WHOA.
Mar 1, 2016, 4:33 PM
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THAT would be the option when preppy frat boys from wealthy Caucasian families are waving guns around at cops.
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Oculus Spirit [79508]
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HOLD UP
Mar 1, 2016, 4:38 PM
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Are we specifying our weaponry based off of the demographics of our enemy? If so, this changes everything.
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I SWEAR TO GOD, LAKEBUM
Mar 1, 2016, 4:40 PM
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IF YOU SAY WATERMELON CANNON, I'M LEAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
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OMG can you even read?!?
Mar 1, 2016, 4:45 PM
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I must have missed where the kid was dressed like Gallagher.
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Whoa now.
Mar 1, 2016, 5:01 PM
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NOBODY SAID A THING ABOUT SLEDGEHAMMER CANNONS.
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Motion to table this dicussion until tomorrow. I think it
Mar 1, 2016, 4:52 PM
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needs more time to flesh out than we have today.
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Re: I always wonder why shooting a kid with bb pistol
Mar 2, 2016, 7:50 AM
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You know the answer to this but I will spell it out for you.
1.) Nobody is fine with it but many consider a threat from an object that looks just like a pistol to be just cause for the use of lethal force. Do you propose that when a gun is pulled on a cop that the cop ask to examine the gun to make sure that it is indeed real, loaded and operational before he or she defends himself or herself or others?
2.). I know of no place where it is legal to carry a weapon openly in an airport but if that is the law in a location then I guess the authorities have to go with it. Does this happen? Also, very few gun owners actually have assault weapons which are capable of select fire or full auto. If you do not like the laws change them.
Now a question for you. The cop in Ferguson shot Michael Brown and killed him. Obama et al used this as a rallying cry against police brutality towards innocent black males. Obama and Holder investigated to the nth degree and found the cop innocent. They had every incentive to find the cop guilty and hang in in the public square and they had the full power of the Federal government to get this done. They found him innocent. Why are we still discussing this case? Why do Democrat politicians discuss this case when their executive branch found the officer innocent? Why never any mention of the proportion of bad police work versus the extreme violence present in "the community" carried out by members of "the community"? WHy do your beloved Democrat politicians never denounce gang-bangers and drug dealers who fill the morgues and emergency rooms every weekend? Why no mention of racist gun control laws in places like Chicago that do not work and leave innocent minority citizens cowering in their dwellings while gangs rule the streets?
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henry was in the middle of that fri night
Mar 1, 2016, 4:42 PM
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coming home road closed off all kinds of police ambulance sky lit up.
thought it was a horrible accident til i got home and saw the story
glad the bullets weren't flying while i was there
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