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Head Coach [921]
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10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:53 AM
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Hear me out...or just TD me
Clemsons ACC slate was exceptionally weak. We avoided games against the top half of the ACC. We didn't play GT, Syracuse, or Miami. Say what you want about Miami and officials but given our defensive weakness that game would've been a toss up. Same goes for Syracuse.
Additionally, using the very scientific eye ball test we played 5 games against average or better competition. In those games Clemson went 1-4. We beat SMU in the ACC title game and lost to UGA, Louisville, USC, and Texas. This is why myself and many others are upset. To have a good season who have to beat good teams. 10 wins against this schedule is a hollow achievement without taking home any hardware at the seasons end.
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Gridiron Giant [15353]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Lol. Called Coots USC...
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:57 AM
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I would rather call them something much less flattering, but let's just chalk it up to common courtesy.
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All-In [10876]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:27 PM
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I would rather call them something much less flattering, but let's just chalk it up to common courtesy.
Calling them Southern Cal has nothing to do with courtesy
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98980]
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Hey 2011Tiger..I concur 110% even though we will burn on the same cross
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:58 AM
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But yes, Clemson had a weak schedule and still lost 4 of 5 to decent or quality teams..
Thus the 10 wins could be considered hallow.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Hey 2011Tiger..I concur 110% even though we will burn in the same cross
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:59 AM
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Spread the word brother. Even with my 2011 Clemson diploma on the wall I've been called a coot within 5 minutes of posting this.
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Tiger Spirit [9406]
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Your degree has zero to do with fandom. 89 grad
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:05 PM
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here, but I know plenty who never attended Clemson who are just as Tiger as I am.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Your degree has zero to do with fandom. 89 grad
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:07 PM
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True. Don't have to be a grad to be a fan. But being a grad sure as heck doesn't make me a coot either. Type something critical on t-net and it's the default response.
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Oculus Spirit [41577]
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Re: Your degree has zero to do with fandom. 89 grad
Dec 28, 2024, 12:09 PM
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Amen, well said! I’m more die hard than many Clemson alumni I know. Grew up in Greenville; Clemson was all I knew! Had great parents!
I did get accepted though! Proud of that!
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Game Changer [1785]
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Re: Your degree has zero to do with fandom. 89 grad
Dec 28, 2024, 12:23 PM
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Why didn’t you go?
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Game Changer [1785]
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Re: Your degree has zero to do with fandom. 89 grad
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:23 PM
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I believe it does. Those who never attended Clemson just don’t know everything about the full experience of being a Clemson man. They don’t really know much outside of the football stadium. To me, that’s the equivalent of going to Walmart and buying a shirt aka t shirt fan, but I know we wouldn’t have all of the support and $$$ without them. We couldn’t support athletics on alumni alone.
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Tiger Spirit [9406]
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Flip side. GT , Miami , and Syracuse avoided us!***
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:56 AM
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Clemson Icon [24024]
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LOL
Dec 28, 2024, 11:56 AM
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If it was so empty, EVERYONE would do it. Cry MO Chicken
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: LOL
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Dec 28, 2024, 11:58 AM
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Im a 2011 Clemson grad. My university emphasized critical thinking...did yours?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [98980]
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^ Ha..good comeback 2011 Tiger GRAD!
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:01 PM
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You must realize half these posters never saw a classroom at Clemson bUT are super good & supportive Clemson fans.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: ^ Ha..good comeback 2011 Tiger GRAD!
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:06 PM
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No doubt. I love my tigers, and I love Dabo, but that doesnt mean that either are infallible. In order to be successful a person must first recognize their failures. I feel like the last 4 years Clemson has failed to do what we we're so brilliant at when we were winning and completing for titles...evaluate and adapt. Pointing this out on T-net is just a 1 way street to getting called a coot. Honestly, it's kind of embarrassing.
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Ring of Honor [22555]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:07 PM
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ACC Championship is pretty good hardware to me...
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National Champion [8068]
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Yep - something 16 other teams set out to accomplish
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:16 PM
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but we did. There is no perfect team. Do I think we are better than 2 of the 4 teams we lost too? Yes. But those teams didn’t get further than us in the end and had losses they regret themselves, where they were probably the better team. That’s why you have have to bring it every week to win. If you don’t, you can get beat by someone you shouldn’t.
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:07 PM
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Do you realize how many teams would love to have a 10 win season. Gamecocks construct statues of coaches for 10 wins
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:13 PM
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You realize every time we compare our season to the gamecocks it proves my point even more? Who cares about them, they have zero history or accomplishments. Comparing our program to theirs goes to show how down of a year we truly had. 10 wins against our schedule is the equivalent of a participation trophy. If Clemson is going to remain in the ACC then in order to recruit and win at an elite level we can't brag about 10 wins. The ACC is behind the SEC/Big 10 in all respects. Bragging about 10 wins while losing against almost everybody with a pulse isn't going to keep us competing at the blue blood level.
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
Dec 28, 2024, 12:16 PM
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You don't draw pictures on the scorecard, you just put down the score. Wins and losses matter and any school who has 10 years had a good year.
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All-American [567]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:18 PM
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The coots don’t deserve “common courtesy “ !!
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Your post has no point
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:20 PM
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…if you had an easy final and got an A in the class would you give yourself a C because you didn’t “earn” it? They won 10 games against opponents that fighting for the opposite. Embrace it, we were a defensive coordinator from winning the first round of the playoff against a very talented best money could buy TX team in their house. I’m proud of what they accomplished. Bring on next year!
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Re: Your post has no point
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:25 PM
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Belichek and Saban could have been co-defensive coordinators and they’re still leaving Austin with an L
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Re: Your post has no point
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:30 PM
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Lol, peck dirt…
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 12:42 PM
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Proud Clemson grad.
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Clemson Icon [24533]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 12:31 PM
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You can only play whos on your schedule, it's common coach speak but still very true. The losses to Louisville and South Carolina are a microcosm in my mind of where the program currently sits. If we can't beat those teams how do we expect to beat UGA or Texas if they're on the schedule? My point is simple, we stacked up wins against below average teams (excluding SMU) but when it came time to line up against a quality opponents we pooped the bed. Bragging about 10 wins against the likes of NC State and App state rings hollow.
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 12:44 PM
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Ok, so feel free to be miserable and angry. For me and the rest of the world 10 wins is rare and an accomplishment to be celebrated.
And to be clear, the losses to UL and USuCk were really bad and embarrassing. Looking at the summary of the season, we need a change at DC.Hopefully Dabo doesn’t truly think that having 10 wins is enough and makes the needed change for next year.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 12:47 PM
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 12:52 PM
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Is it really rare anymore for Clemson? Maybe pre Dabo era. What's becoming more common place is a 4 loss seasons with no hope of competing for a national title. Dabo is a victim of his own success, but in all fairness this years team proved it could only beat average or worse teams, and it stacked up 10 wins in doing so. When it came time to play against good competition we weren't up to the task. I want Clemson to return to being elite, not being happy with beating the NC States of the world.
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Re: Your post has no point
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:05 PM
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Being a 2011 grad means you have no idea how bad it could be without Dabo. I’ve suffered over 30 years of mediocrity of Clemson football before Dabo. We ALL want a natty every year, but it’s not realistic. 10 wins is STILL an accomplishment in a P5 conference.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Your post has no point
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:20 PM
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Correct. I started my Clemson career when Bowden was still the coach. Dabo took over my sophomore year and excluding the year we lost to USF in the bowl games his tenure has been an unbridled success. I don't expect a title every year, that would be ridiculous as well as unobtainable. Dabo is however a victim of his own success. The expectations for what Clemson can accomplish have been adjusted accordingly under his leadership. Clemson is paying him a top 5 salary for a a borderline Top 20 outcome. The standards I expect are the very ones he has set for himself and the program. We didn't win the opener, didn't win the rivalry, and didn't win the closer. These are expectations he has placed on the program. "Best is the Standard"
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 1:33 PM
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U know that “best is the standard” is just a motivational slogan right? It’s not a metric that can be objectively used to rate a team or coach. BV has it posted at OU too.
Regardless, you are now deviating from your original assertion that 10 wins is meaningless. 10 wins is NOT meaningless and IS an objective measurement against your competition.
If you want to start another post about how Dabo did not accomplish his goals for the season, I’m all for it. No argument there. We need a new DC and better decisions on offensive coaching.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Your post has no point
Dec 28, 2024, 1:46 PM
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If Best is not truly the standard then we have bigger issues than arguing about the significance of 10 wins. The greatest thing Dabo has done for this program was changing the culture. We went from "##########" to expecting to win games. Imitation is the ultimate flattery, I would assume that why BV is trying to duplicate it at OU. As for posting about Dabo, I've tried. If you think 10 wins is a touchy subject, many t-netters pray to their Dabo idols before turning the lights out. As for the 10 wins being meaningless I stand by that. Considering who we beat, and more importantly who we lost to, its not a bragging point.
I have however enjoyed this debate on t-net where the 2 of us have gone back and forth with our opinions without resulting to calling each other "coot" or worse. More of this on T-net please.
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Orange Elite [5565]
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Re: Your post has no point
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:54 PM
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Agreed. I’d like to see more reasoned opinions and less personal attacks.
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There was a time not long ago
Dec 28, 2024, 1:10 PM
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When beating NC state was questionable. Better realize how good you have it as a fan right now.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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10 wins in a 14 game season while going 1-4 vs teams w/ 8 or more wins......
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:52 PM
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and going 0-3 vs the SEC one of those being vs South Carolina
accomplishing 40% of Dabo's "goals" for the season.
sorry, those are not accomplishments to be "celebrated"
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Re: 10 wins in a 14 game season while going 1-4 vs teams w/ 8 or more wins......
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:53 PM
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Well said Sir
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All-Pro [703]
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Its not just the 10 wins
Dec 28, 2024, 1:08 PM
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It’s the consistency over a decade plus of doing is why it means so much. Some 10 win seasons are more impressive than others but stringing them together is what brings it value despite how strong the schedule was. How many teams would sell their soul to have one 10 win season in a decade?
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Orange Elite [5565]
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^^^gets it^^^
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:09 PM
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Re: Its not just the 10 wins
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:24 PM
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Those teams that would "sell their soul" to have one 10 win season are not the teams Clemson should be comparing itself to. There was a time when teams across the country would look at Clemson as the aspirational program. Now people on this board are saying things like "Illinois would love 10 wins," and ""how may 10 win seasons does South Carolina have?" Who cares? Those aren't the teams we should be comparing ourselves to. We should be looking at Texas, UGA, and Oregon and asking ourselves "how do we compete with them next year?"
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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^^^gets it even more^^^
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:28 PM
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CU Medallion [19831]
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Ask any team in the country that gets to 10 wins what it means to them
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:22 PM
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then get back to us. This tired narrative going after our SOS and bowing to supposed blanket SEC superiority to denigrate that accomplishment is sad. SCar has had 4 10-win seasons in their entire history. You think that won't be a major deal for them if they beat Illinois and move to 10-3? And because we're in the ACC you don't think reaching that number 13 out of the last 14 seasons is all that?
Clearly you've gotten too comfortable with this level of heightened and sustained success over this run to appreciate the accomplishment that it most assuredly is.
Go Tigers.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Ask any team in the country that gets to 10 wins what it means to them
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:26 PM
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Once again I ask, "Why are we comparing ourselves to South Carolina?" At Clemson "Best is the Standard." We didn't play the best this year, but when we played the good or better teams we got beat 80% of the time. Dabo set a high bar, he is a victim of his own success. The fact is we won 10 games, but only beat 20% of the quality opponents we faced. We made the playoff, but demonstrated that we aren't elite. I want Clemson to return to being elite. Bragging about 10 wins and comparing us to South Carolina is going to help that happen.
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Re: Ask any team in the country that gets to 10 wins what it means to them
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:35 PM
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All you have to do is listen to coot radio in Columbia, they have talked about the possibility of 10 wins for weeks. It would be a very significant milestone for them. I have always been confused by the SOS because I don’t know the metrics used. It seems to be some computer program invented by ESPN so does that mean it is self serving with a built in bias? Any way the schedule is the schedule, the best team on paper doesn’t always win. If did the sport would no longer be fun to watch.
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Re: Ask any team in the country that gets to 10 wins what it means to them
Dec 28, 2024, 12:41 PM
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I've responded similarly to other posts in this thread. Anytime we compare our program to South Carolina it shows how truly average our season really was. Who cares what South Carolina fans think? Their program has no history to speak of. Clemson football means something, with a proud history. Let's not compare our achievements to what would make a South Carolina fans happy.
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CU Medallion [19831]
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Ask any team in the country.
Dec 28, 2024, 12:46 PM
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Did you miss that? Any team. Ask Illinois if they wind up there. You've just gotten spoiled by our ridiculously consistent success over this stretch and have lost perspective.
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Re: Ask any team in the country.
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:49 PM
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Why are we comparing ourselves to Illinois? At Clemson "Best is the Standard". I couldbt tell you anything about Illinois football. Clemson over previous decade was talked about in the same breath as Alabama, Ohio St, Georgia, Michigan. The fact that you're comparing Clemson to Illinois makes my point.
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Re: Ask any team in the country.
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:08 PM
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10 wins is a big deal, sport. It is for Clemson. It is for anyone. Is it the mountaintop? No. Seems like your main objective here is just to whine and put down this solid season we just completed, again, because it's not the tippy top that you got spoiled on and unrealistically expect every season. And you're right - Clemson isn't talked about in the same breath as Alabama and Michigan because their ##### came up short of the CFP and they're playing in an exhibition game later.
Your OP is a fail.
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Re: Ask any team in the country.
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:30 PM
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My intent is to have Clemson strive for excellence. Clemson has not been excellent in over 4 years. My fear is that if we start becoming satisfied with 10 wins, against mostly inferior programs, we will stagnate and spend another 30 years without a national title. I'll be honest, until we climbed the mountain with Dabo's first title I thought I would never see the day where Clemson would be National Champions in football. I want that feeling again. That takes hunger for excellence, not satisfaction in mediocrity. 10 wins was the goal 10+ years ago, then it was winning the ACC, then the orange bowl, then a national title. Let's not regress to what we were happy with last decade.
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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how is beating some miserable 7 or less win teams solid??
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:43 PM
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we were awful against 8+ win teams.
we lost to our rival.......(2nd time in 3 years)
we hit 40% of Dabo's "goals" for the season.
not solid..........and not some great accomplishments.
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
Dec 28, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Hear me out...or just TD me
Clemsons ACC slate was exceptionally weak. We avoided games against the top half of the ACC. We didn't play GT, Syracuse, or Miami. Say what you want about Miami and officials but given our defensive weakness that game would've been a toss up. Same goes for Syracuse.
Additionally, using the very scientific eye ball test we played 5 games against average or better competition. In those games Clemson went 1-4. We beat SMU in the ACC title game and lost to UGA, Louisville, USC, and Texas. This is why myself and many others are upset. To have a good season who have to beat good teams. 10 wins against this schedule is a hollow achievement without taking home any hardware at the seasons end.
"Avoid" means to keep away from, prevent something from happening, or refrain from doing something. We have zero control over which ACC teams we play each year
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:28 PM
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You act like we set our own ACC schedule and “we avoid” games with the stronger ACC teams. We play the schedule that is assigned to us, with which ever teams are scheduled for us. 10 wins is 10 wins, in my book!
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:34 PM
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We didn't "avoid" those teams in the intentional sense. We "avoided" them because the scheduling powers that be didn't have them play Clemson. At the end of the day this is semantics. Yes, we won 10 games, but did we beat anyone of note in tallying up this total?
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Clemson Conqueror [11587]
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CORRECT and it's been hollow for the last 4 seasons......
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and our OOC P4/5 record during that span is ATROCIOUS!!
it has blinded our fans.....and to an extent Dabo on where our program truly stands on a national level.
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Re: CORRECT and it's been hollow for the last 4 seasons......
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THIS IS WELL SAID!!!! I have been called spoiled and a coot for pointing this out. 10 wins is just not the accomplishment it used to be, especially in the days of the college football playoff.
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1st Rounder [640]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:34 PM
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We play who we play and nothing will change that . Would you rather win 9 game or less instead of 10?
We weren’t good enough to win the all but we were good enough to win 10.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:38 PM
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We were good enough to beat 10 average or worse teams...that is my point. It why 10 wins doesnt mean very much. Against all the good teams we played excluding SMU we got beat handedly. If you don't think the rest of the nation or recruits haven't noticed this you're truly missing the point. 10 wins against our schedule is not the achievement in reality that it is on paper.
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Why are we considering SMU good
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:56 PM
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Who did SMU beat that was good? They had a weak ACC schedule
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Why are we considering SMU good
Dec 28, 2024, 12:57 PM
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I agree, but in terms of who Clemson played they're as close to a "good" team that we both played and beat.
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Gridiron Giant [15405]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
Dec 28, 2024, 12:57 PM
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I hate to say it, but I think there is a lot of truth to what you wrote.
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CU Medallion [20890]
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Bad interpretation of winning ball games
Dec 28, 2024, 12:57 PM
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You have 14 and win 10 = good season. You have 14 and win 14 = great season. You win 4 (including two over top ranked teams) and lose 10 = bad season. Go Tigers!!!!!
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
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Dec 28, 2024, 12:59 PM
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What if those 10 wins are only against bad teams? Does that still equal a good season?
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CU Medallion [20890]
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
Dec 28, 2024, 1:03 PM
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Turn it around. You win 10 games against 10 good teams but lose 4 to bad teams. Does those 10 wins against the good teams equal a good season even if you lost 4 to bad teams?
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Starter [267]
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
Dec 28, 2024, 1:10 PM
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I mention coots because I have to live with these people. If you don’t have to live with them you wouldn’t understand..
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
Dec 28, 2024, 1:14 PM
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That's fair. The Air Force has taken me away from God's country for the last 10 years.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:13 PM
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I think Clemson shouldnt be happy or satisfied with 10 wins period. 10 wins means you weren't competitive in the chase for a national title. We squeaked into the playoffs with the most losses of any team in the 12 team field. 10 wins in the ACC probably won't get you an at large bid. If 10 wins becomes the standard for success, then in my mind it means we are happy with being irrelevant in the post season.
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I dont think anyone is happy
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:21 PM
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We are probably going to be getting a new DC. How many ten win teams fires any coach much less a coordinator? But it’s also not something to just turn your nose up at. Prior to Dabo a great season was finishing 8-4 and in the top 25 of the AP. No ACC game appearance, def no title not even a New Year’s Day bowl game. Ever been to Boise for the Humanitarian bowl? You’re not 100% wrong but you’re not very right either.
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
Dec 28, 2024, 1:24 PM
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Everybody wants more. You seem to be confusing the accomplishment that 10 wins is for anyone in college football, us included, any season, no matter what the schedule was, versus being giddy and everything is perfect with hitting the 10 wins number.
We all believe we can be better and win more, but regardless of that, 10 wins is a big ####### deal.
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: Bad interpretation of winning ball games
Dec 28, 2024, 1:39 PM
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I think 10 wins in a 12 game season is a heck of an accomplishment. In todays playoff era with longer seasons it's just not the same. To put it in further context, in a 12 game season we won approximately 8.5 games this season. Furthermore, in order to theoretically win It all this season we needed another 3 wins (check my math on that I could be wrong). 10 wins is nice on paper, but it didn't mean anything. Especially so considering we didn't beat most of the good opponents we played. Racking up wins against NC State should be the standard, not the bragging rights.
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Valley Protector [1480]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:12 PM
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ACC Championship trophy says Hi
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Top TigerNet [28892]
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Without taking home any hardware?
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:31 PM
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I must have missed something.
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That was an SMU team that lost to the only two ranked teams they played.
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:36 PM
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The ACC teams they beat were 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 16th, and 17th in the ACC.
SMU was our only ranked win of the season, and the reason we made the playoffs.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100967]
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All the conferneces, which could, scheduled the teams according to how they...
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:40 PM
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believed would present the most playoff contenders. Thus the top three rated teams didn't play.
It's economics, that's not to say that Cuse, Miami or GT wouldn't have beaten us. That's to say absolutely that you can't prove they would have.
I'm not attacking you and I never TD a Clemson fan, look at my ratio of TUs to TDs. All I'm doing is showing that your perspective could use a little broadening.
That doesn't make either of us right or wrong, and it doesn't express my opinion that I believe we would have beaten UM, Cuse and anyone else in the ACC which didn't cut the knees off our D-line at every opportunity.
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Top TigerNet [30399]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:56 PM
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I granted your TD request. YWIA
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 1:58 PM
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Thank you for your participation sir
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Ring of Honor [21906]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
Dec 28, 2024, 1:59 PM
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Of course it’s empty to a person sitting on the couch. You did absolutely nothing to contribute so why would you feel accomplished??
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Orange Blooded [2154]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
Dec 28, 2024, 2:02 PM
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Hardware?
ACC Championship doesn’t count?
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Head Coach [921]
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Re: 10 wins is an empty accomplishment
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Dec 28, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Fair enough. Bad omission on my part.
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