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Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:25 AM
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If police turn on flashing blue lights to pull someone over and a high speed chase begins, why don’t we pass laws to increase jail time for all who refuse to pull over. Then police can simply get license tag number and arrest them at their home at a later time. This would reduce innocent deaths of people not involved in the high speed chase.
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Don't they already do this?***
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:25 AM
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Not in Trump's America.***
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:47 AM
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Re: Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:29 AM
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Are they behind you right now?***
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Re: Are they behind you right now?***
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:49 AM
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Re: Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:36 AM
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In a lot of jurisdictions only a supervisor can authorize code 3 response or give permission for a chase. It still happens but requires supervisor unit approval. However, the United States Department of Justice now recommends that police should only initiate a chase if a violent crime has been committed and the suspect poses an imminent threat to commit another violent crime due to the dangers posed by high-speed pursuits.
A lot of states will not let an officer chase a motorcycle due to the high probability of death. However, each state and each department are different. One of the issues with just getting the tag number is... a lot of cars during chases are stolen or carjacked.
In most states, to include South Carolina, Officers can only initiate a pursuit if they have a reasonable suspicion of a violent felony or evidence of outrageous, reckless driving. Additionally, an officer may only fire at a moving vehicle if necessary to protect against an imminent threat of serious physical harm using a deadly weapon.
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Re: Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:37 AM
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I assumed most people who flee either stole the car or are high/drunk. Thanks
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Re: What are you, some type of cop?
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Apr 18, 2025, 9:51 AM
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Watching Live PD it amazes me how many times when they try to block a vehicle in
Apr 18, 2025, 12:22 PM
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the driver finds a way out. Then when they finally apprehend, the driver, while being cuffed, always apologizes. LOL. I don't know how those cops keep so calm after such a chase/capture.
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I will add
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:29 PM
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I typically self-terminate if speeds exceed 30 over the limit. That is kind of the rule of thumb for us. We can chase without authorization, just once someone doesn't self-terminate, the command will terminate if they feel it's right.
The biggest issue, internal policies around chases. It's as long as Gone With The Wind and the opportunity for YOU to get into trouble isn't worth the chase. Maybe you didnt turn on your siren as soon as you should or you dont stop at a stop sign.....or maybe before the chase you did something breaking policy....its not worth the chase.
I have had 3 chases end in crashes, dude apprehended, and the rest terminated by me or command.
Also, the problem with just showing up at the house, you cannot prove the registered owner was driving. You would have to see them with your own eyes or some really good camera footage.
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Re: I will add
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:36 PM
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Re: I will add
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You used to be a cop? Anyone else want to tell.my why manac is apprehended people in high speed chases?
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Seems like the biggest issue with no-chase policies is
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Apr 18, 2025, 10:00 AM
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criminals knowing with a high degree of certainty about the existence of no-chase policies.
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The problem is criminals.***
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Apr 18, 2025, 10:03 AM
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ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!***
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Apr 18, 2025, 10:04 AM
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way 2 b heteronormative bro.***
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:44 PM
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Re: A lot like stopping all activity when someone says they
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Apr 18, 2025, 5:00 PM
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Well, if you are stating you can't breathe, that means you are breathing. I do agree though, when a suspect/offender states they can't breathe officers must reevaluate their body position and placement to avoid suffocation/asphyxiation. Where the issue normally arises is the placement of the officer, usually being on the back of the offender causing the breathing to slow in chest to a rate not compatible with life. More pressure on the back of the offender causes the chest not to rise normally causing asphyxiation. Officers need to be more aware of their body placement when subduing a suspect/offender. Albeit, some officers are just bad officers and don't care and use extreme force. Most officers really try to use only the amount of force necessary to subdue the offender/suspect. A lot of times, long before force is used, most officers will go to great lengths to avoid using any force at all, sometimes even putting themselves in great jeopardy.
However, I definitely understand your point, a lot of use of force incidents can be avoided if the officer just deescalates and does not let their adrenaline get the best of them. However, sometimes use of force is needed to control the situation. All law enforcement agencies use the 1+1 technique, unfortunately there are some rogue officers who don't follow the principle and escalate to deadly force immediately when it is not justified.
It is a tough job and even tougher to make split second decisions. A lot of times adrenaline takes over causing good officers to over compensate and make bad decisions because, in their mind, time is of the essence. It can be as scary for the officers as it is for the suspects.
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Re: A lot like stopping all activity when someone says they
Apr 18, 2025, 5:08 PM
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Yeah. I hate when people say that. "If you say I can't breathe that means you are breathing.". I have been choked out before in a fight when I was young and got that out right before I was choked out. You know what people mean. I have seen someone else say that before being choked out too. Anyway, I appreciate your posts, but that comment is junk when people say that.
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Ultimate Tiger [33275]
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Re: A lot like stopping all activity when someone says they
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Apr 18, 2025, 5:16 PM
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Let me clarify, initially if a suspect says "I can't breathe" they are in fact breathing, where the issue comes in is the officers continue the same action to a point where the suspect/offender does eventually stop breathing and the officer either does not recognize it or doesn't care. If a suspect/offender is having extreme difficult breathing the officer should immediately find an alternative to subdue unless there is a likelihood they would be killed if they did not continue with their action.
If done correctly, you can put someone to sleep without killing them and without changing their breathing but you have to be highly trained to do that. UFC fighters are skilled to put someone to sleep without killing them, unfortunately most officers don't have that level of training and thus shouldn't use that technique unless it is a deadly use of force situation.
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Not to suggest it is easy, but I think there needs to be more training in the
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Apr 18, 2025, 5:14 PM
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"Is this worth it" department. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I also think when a situation goes bad cops need to be more willing to say when an officer is wrong and a once fired police officer should go in some database and not be allowed to go join up in some other force.
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Re: Not to suggest it is easy, but I think there needs to be more training in the
Apr 18, 2025, 5:18 PM
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I agree 100%. You are completely correct, more training is needed. Additionally, body placement training is one of the most important trainings an officer can receive for use of force and ground defense.
Bad cops definitely should not be hired by other agencies. Unfortunately, negligent retention and hiring is common in all forms of Public Safety.
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Re: Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 10:06 AM
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Should I report my car stolen right when the chase is called off or wait until I can ditch it in a random parking lot.
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Paw Warrior [4804]
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Re: Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 11:44 AM
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stolen tags...
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Re: Question about high speed police chases
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Apr 18, 2025, 11:48 AM
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Maybe it's not the owner in the car. Maybe the driver has 10 kilos in the back seat so they are running. Who knows? Why are the fleeing? I agree though that the penalties should be higher.
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Cars should have limiters at 100mph ... no one needs to drive faster than that
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:30 PM
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on the street.
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Motorcycles for sure
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:37 PM
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100 is too fast. I have had my share of cars that could easily go and drive that fast safely, on a track with a trained driver. No need to do close to that imo.
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Re: Motorcycles for sure
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Apr 18, 2025, 12:58 PM
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The fastest I have ever driven was when I was 18. On the way to Tucson from Southern California I was on a slight downgrade on straight desert hwy and I was slightly pinned at 140. The car I was in only went about 128 on flat ground, but the decline made that possible. It felt dangerous though. I don't go over 15 mph over the speed limit now though even on a long drive. No need for it.
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Apr 18, 2025, 1:29 PM
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I hit 100 in a Lumina on 557 one time, luckily nothing went wrong.***
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Speaking as the Jounge's premier anonymous internet expert on policing policies
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Apr 18, 2025, 5:15 PM
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I can say that the fastest and most efficient way to end a high-speed chase is to use drones armed with air-to-surface missiles.
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As drones improve
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in both battery life and range, I am sure they will be used in this - have one on each patrol unit and launches from the car - cop pulls over and controls the drone as he follows the suspect. Seems much less dangerous and cop can follow the drone with a Waze like map that tells him where to go.
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