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TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:04 AM
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THEN PUNT?
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Re: Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
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That was an opportunity to do something uncharacteric and non-standard at the beginning of the game that could've instilled energy & creativity to the mindset of coaches and players alike. I understand the field position made it an 'against conventional wisdom call' but the timing for it couldn't have been better to have the potential of inspiring the whole team. If we had failed to gain the 1st down we had the entirety of the game to deal with the circumstances. If we made the 1st down the message would've been one of confidence and the opportunity to maximize momentum would not have been wasted. The way it was handled sent the exact opposite message - 'a vote of no confidence and uncertainty from leadership' that shut down our momentum. The resulting big play from SMU took the air out of the room and we never recovered from it.
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Re: Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:05 AM
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I’m guessing you haven’t seen our garbage short yard game?
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Re: Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:44 AM
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Hang on, let’s be clear, the run game issue was not on our running back. He had two 8 yard runs up the middle on designed plays and we never ran that same play again. It is clearly a coaching issue and unfortunately, Riley has to get the blame. Go old school and keep running what works until they stop it. No variations or swerving. We just don’t do it. The tightend button hooks open all day. QB run, nope.
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Re: Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
Oct 19, 2025, 10:54 AM
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This!!!
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Just Punt and no time out to do that
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:05 AM
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It's sad, but the current team just isn't a good team and the coaching is part of the reason. Why CV was running the ball again and again was baffling.
On to Duke which will probably be another L and most definitely will be if we play like we did yesterday.
SMU deserved the win.
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Duke is next. Louisville will kill us!***
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:10 AM
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Re: Duke is next. Louisville will kill us!***
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:16 AM
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I watched Duke and Louisville play this weekend. They are both better than SMU. This season could get really ugly.
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Re: Duke is next. Louisville will kill us!***
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Re: Duke is next. Louisville will kill us!***
Oct 19, 2025, 7:57 PM
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SMU is as good on offense as Duke and Louisville, but worse on defense than either of them.
I hope that our staff will be giving the majority of practice reps to Vizz during the off-week. Cade should, by this late stage in his FB career, not need many reps even if the coaches decide to start him vs Duke.
We will need defensive TDs against both Duke and Louisville to have a chance in either game.
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Dabo teams done great - but quick thinking in special situations is not typical
Oct 19, 2025, 7:52 PM
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Dabo’s coaching has, overall, been fine since getting the top job back in 2008. (I’m not referencing recruiting, which has been spectacular relativeness to the history of Clemson FB.)
However, since his ascension back in 2008 Dabo’s teams have seldom been prepared about what to do in non-standard 4th down situations. By non-standard situations, I’m referencing times such as 4th and short when in part of the field that FG is not an option + when failure of a ‘go for it’ decision would result in points for the opponent even if the opponent can only muster up a short drive -&- on 4th down and medium yardage when we are in comfortable FG range. These situations are also accompanied by having plentiful time in the play clock for either changing into special teams units or for adjusting offensive personnel to best execute a short yardage play.
Seemingly without fail, our coaching staff had not planned how they would address the above situations. There is a lot of standing around until there is not enough time in the play clock to either bring in the special teams units or to substitute personnel / line up for a scrimmage play.
Thus, a time out must be called. This coaching unpreparedness eliminates any chance to catch the opposing team off guard if indeed the decision is to ‘go for it.’ Most of the time, Clemson will end up kicking the ball (punt or FG). In either case, our coaching staff is unprepared for the decision.
It never changes. Clemson squanders not only the benefit of semi-surprise, but also a time out.
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Re: Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
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These people are blind and/or trying to push some false narrative; how many times did the defense get the ball back for the offense NOT to score?!?!
They're not coaches or "experts;" they're sycophants profiting off the successes or failures of the program. Simple as that.
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Re: Ya gonna mention the bonehead delay, then called TO
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Oct 19, 2025, 10:46 AM
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It is called complimentary football and it has been not existent this year. Hence why we cannot build momentum in any game against a decent opponent.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Offense okay?!? How about that running game?
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:11 AM
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We are inept in all phases, that falls to the man in charge(Dabo).
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Any other coach, and Riley would be shown the door today.
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:39 AM
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But, Dabo, to his credit, will wait until the end of the season. Regardless, Riley should be gone.
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Re: Any other coach, and Riley would be shown the door today.
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It shouldn’t be just Riley ..the rest of the friends and family coaches and staff should be flushed ..and if we don’t embrace the portal (I doubt the friends will go away), it will be more of the same..
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Re: And what about Tom Allen?
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Oct 19, 2025, 12:27 PM
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It is lack of talent.
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Exactly. Mike Ditka could not coach up Wade Woodaz.***
Oct 19, 2025, 6:04 PM
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Re: And what about Tom Allen?
Oct 19, 2025, 8:06 PM
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It’s not lack of talent.
2024 team’s defense had less talent on both the DL and CB positions. 2024 team’s defense had better Safety and marginally better LB unit (B.Carter was very good, despite mediocre tackling; Sammy Brown didn’t know where to go last year and was a liability in pass coverage last year because of his inexperience).
The elephant in the room re our bad defense on 2025 team is not a personnel problem … except for the Safety position (which admittedly has been a glaring deficiency).
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Re: And what about Tom Allen?
Oct 19, 2025, 4:06 PM
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If the talent is there, it certainly has been I hibernation. I’m past ready for its reawakening.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 7:45 AM
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Mike4tigers says all is ok just ask him . lol
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Vizzina was "serviceable" and there you have the problem with fans, reporters, broadcasters or anyone else who loves or talks about Clemson. In his first start, Vizzina was 29-42 (69%), for 317 yards, 3 touchdowns and be the a 156 QB rating. Expectations are just ridiculous because Vizzina had a great game under any circumstance and he and the receivers need to get a ton of credit far beyond the serviceable mark.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Man you will not win many games rushing for a total of 35 yards . That is just fact , SMU was terrible against the run also and they stuffed us . That is alarming. The coaching is so bad that it is hurting any QB we run out there . Dabo is lost and proved it again early by calling timeout only to punt on 4th and 1 . He is just running his mouth , he has zero confidence in his team either. He is soft and his team is also
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:14 AM
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The loss is not on Vizzina or the WRs. The OL could neither run block nor pass block. The defense was abysmal.
Missed tackles, poor pass coverage and virtually no pressure on Jennings is what lost that game. The DL is the most overhyped bunch of dudes in a long time.
Vizzina deserved better. As a passer he was actually very good. As a runner, forget it. He is a big dude, but is slow and has no moves as well, yet he kept getting QB run calls.
There is much to try to fix.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
Oct 19, 2025, 8:12 PM
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TU for your analysis.
I’ll disagree on putting all the blame for our inability to pressure the one-legged QB Kevin Jennings on the DL.
Our blitz packages are poorly disguised. We don’t run enough inside blitzes with two+ blitzers. Our blitzes seldom involve use of Safeties.
To wear out a broken record, Venables uses a variety of blitz packages; this makes his defense unpredictable despite its predisposition to blitz.
Pitt’s HC Narduzzi’s defenses are also creative with blitz packages.
Clemson has a coaching problem at the DC level.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:07 AM
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Ok David. Finally calling a spade a spade on “paper”. Now do it during a press conference.
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LOL, he wont,
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:14 AM
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just like they all won’t, Dabo will love us his trophies of a decade ago and they’ll sit there and stare at him and listen!
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Tough Questions at the Presser
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Oct 19, 2025, 11:33 AM
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The reporters are not allowed to ask anything perceivced as negative or Lord Dabo has a temper tantrum. They get paid to report, but if they upset him, and are not allowed access to the team, then they have nothing to write about and hence, no job. Dabo control's the press conference narrative.
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Absolutely the defense was pure garbage today!!***
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:14 AM
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Tough decisions need to be made during the bye week. Loyalty can be an admirable quality, but when it becomes detrimental to the team, you have to remember that winning is the #1 priority. Coaches are being paid enormous amounts of money as are some of our most highly rated players.
Practice during the open week should be an opportunity for competition to occur giving other, underutilized or younger players , to WIN starting positions. I’m not talking about a few plays here and there as Denson was used yesterday. As a former Coach, I had rather lose with hungrier, younger, and maybe less talented players than with extremely talented, underperforming players.
CDS should give his coaches the opportunity to coach for their future the rest of the season. He should give them the freedom to start who THEY believe will save their jobs. He should also give the OC and DC the freedom to call the game the way that reflects what they believe in without NO interference whatsoever from the HC.
All of this is of course hypothetical. I don’t think much of it will occur because of the philosophy that CDS has used to build our program. I coached long enough to see the wishbone, veer, I formation, and spread offenses. On defense, the 6-2, 5-2, 4-3, 3-4, 3-3-5, and hybrid versions. You must continually evaluate and evolve. If you don’t, you are left behind.
I have been coached and coached with men that I greatly respect. Some left the profession because they didn’t want to change. A good many kept up with changes in the game, but not their coaching philosophy and eventually they too left the profession. I think if CDS took a good, honest, look at himself , his staff, his players, and philosophy, he would make changes. Have a great Sunday. Spend time with someone you love. 😎
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:15 AM
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How about all of the running plays outside the tackles or the jet sweeps they ran. Oh wait they didn't do it one time.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 12:22 PM
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How about all of the running plays outside the tackles or the jet sweeps they ran. Oh wait they didn't do it one time.
We ran one jet sweep with A Williams. Your point is well taken. We have not gone anywhere in the A gap all year. B gap not much better, so perhaps off tackle as you say. Jacobs played every snap at LT and is a work in progess run blocking. Miller was supposed to be an All American at RT. Dabo referred to him as a road grader. He's been average. The tackles are not great but the guard play is mostly awful. No need to keep running behind Sewell. Sadler now gone and we have a RS Freshman at guard for the moment. We were told by Lord Dabo that we had 8-9 starter caliber players on the O Line. That's turned out to be a joke.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
Oct 19, 2025, 8:30 PM
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The time is right for us to play Ronan O’Connell as starter at RG. I don’t know if Dietrich Pennington is going to get a ‘medical exception’ to play next year; if so, the start DP at LG.
Pennington and B.Jacobs are the only true ‘road graders’ who are good enough to play. Yes, DP is a liability as for pulling. He can, however, get to his man that is in front of him and seal that guy off.
This is a bet that I’ll not get a chance to wager, since I don’t believe our coaches will play DP. However, I’ll refer everyone back to 2021 season, when our Center position was the Achilles Heel of our OL because we tried to force our very good Guard (Matt Bockhorst) to play Center. Bockhorst was not up to playing Center, but our coaches failed to admit (or worse, even recognize) this. Meanwhile, not-highly-regarded backup Center Hunter Rayburn languished on the bench behind Bockhorst and a walk-on Center. Finally, in the final ~ third of the season, H.Rayburn got his shot at starting.
Presto changeo! Our OL started to function and run game started to click. Instead of relying on DJU to save us, Will Shipley was called on to save us. We finished 2021 OK because we used a O-lineman that our coaches didn’t think was good enough to play.
Dietrich Pennington, IMO, would this year’s Hunter Rayburn, except that DP would play Guard instead of Center.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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My final grades is an F, poor coaching all the way from the head coach Dabo, poor play calling from Garrett Riley, Defensive Coordinator Tom Allen sucks and all these former players you got as coaches for example CJ Spiller, he doesn’t know how to coach. 99.9% of these former players are not coaches and don’t know how to coach. If Dabo doesn’t get rid of all these former players and make some new hires then he needs to go. Simple as that!
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COACHING F We could write paragraph after paragraph here
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Oct 19, 2025, 8:26 AM
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Put it out there, upcoming bye week is the perfect time to write this long overdue aticle.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Offensive line was HORRIBLE vs SMU.
No run game = zero chance to win.
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I would have rather live and died blitzing when It was clear
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Jennings was very hobbled. Instead we did nothing to pressure him and make him move or be uncomfortable. What got him hobbling? A blitz you say! Just a head scratcher. Also throwing the ball downfield. Td passes for over 30, 20 and 60. But 90% were throws under 10 yds and often 5.
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The only thing that has really improved for Clemson this season is
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David Hood and Local media and Clemson themed podcast is getting better at having the guts to call out this pathetic coaching staff from top to bottom and the horrible product that Dabo was allowing to see the field.
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Re: The only thing that has really improved for Clemson this season is
Oct 19, 2025, 4:55 PM
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You are right and David Hood needs to ask why our defense is allowing these big plays and what is going to be done to develop a run game. He needs to ask this a the 11 am media I believe it is on Monday or Tuesday.
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Only 30 yds rushing heading into Q4 and yet we kept running up the middle
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But the downfield passing game was productive. Whoever was calling those run plays - Dabo or Riley - needs to go.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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I knew this was going to be ugly, but, actually Vizzina looked pretty #### good with no help from the O line, everything he got was on his own.. pretty darn accurate on his passes under duress, No blocking for a running game, no offensive line = not enough points to win.
The defense sucked, Jennings beat them on a broken ankle, I said earlier he could beat them by himself!! Allen and Son coached defense isn't working, Dabo needs to go AHEAD NOW AND FIRE HIM TODAY and send him packing. He's not getting the job done as advertised. No defense = too many points to overcome!!
The coaching called some screwed up plays on 3rd and 4th down that cost us. They need to tighten up their behinds and get the job done also!! KUDOS to Tony and the WHOOOS. Dabo needs to have along conversation with Tony and get some tips on how to win!!! : ))
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Glad to be back in the mid 70's where we didn't really need a ticket to watch trash football. We did go 2&9 one season... But, after just a couple of years and some MAJOR changes..we win our first Natty in 1981. It's ALL about coaching. Don't let Dabo convince you of anything else!
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The Running Game or the lack thereof
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Is what failed Clemson and the passing game. Randall can't break tackles and in fairness the OL is making holes for him. The play calling has to be screens for any hope and SMU defense knows that making it an embarrassing afternoon for the offense. The offense players seemed lethargic and uncaring.
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You get many responses, but I would be interested in your take
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on this at some point, in some forum. To be clear, I am one who thinks Dabo has come as close to earning a lifetime contract as anyone can, and I am all in on his North Star, and the idea that a long term winning program comes from building foundational factors rather than chasing short term wins. I am going to propose that something has changed this:
What we see today seems to be the natural end of what we saw emerge in the 2020 team. That team was distracted by cultural events, and Dabo seemed to go all in on their off-field priorities. What those issues were is irrelevant. What is relevant is that they played soft all year (but the team was winning so no one said much about that). Then Dabo uncharacteristically whined about the number of games OSU had played. Then OSU showed up with no slogans on their jerseys and pounded us in ways we dont need to review here. Then Dabo said that team was his favorite one. So, it should be no surprise that all teams since have looked like that one, with increasing consequences, until we arrive at this one.
The 2020 team was different from previous Dabo teams, and the 2020 Dabo was different from the previous Dabos. Priorities seem to have shifted to the degree that "Best Is Standard" can only be true if the definition of 'standard' - the thing being measured - has changed. Players and coaches - very good ones - have come and gone, but the slide toward what the program now is has been the consistent observable. So, it seems that until someone identifies what characterized 2010-2020 program, and what changed to now characterize the 2020-2025 program, the slide will continue.
But it, whatever it is, happened in 2020.
Thoughts?
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Re: You get many responses, but I would be interested in your take
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Oct 19, 2025, 1:39 PM
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I’m like Howard Cossell, never play (or coached) the game. So take this for what it is worth. I read almost everything put on t’net, including the replies, and I get that many don’t like the former player coaches. But, I’m going to lobby for a former player to join the OC staff. Eric MacLain. He does play-by-play analyses that make sense to me, and he holds nothing back in his criticism and critique. Our offense is lost (as is the defense) and needs a kick in the butt. Just my thoughts.
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Tiger Cub [14]
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
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Oct 19, 2025, 1:39 PM
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One other thing. We have good linebackers but we do not have great LBs. They could be great. To be great you have got to react much quicker to backs out of in the flats. To be great you have got to avoid blocks and quickly get off them. To be be great you have got to drop deeper in the zone to cover the dead zone. To be great you have got to get to the QB and also cover your gap. To be great you have got to tackle the ball carrier. To be great you have got to anticipate the play and get there first. When we played SC in '71 my last game we new their offence so well we knew the plays they were going to run and we won.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
Oct 19, 2025, 8:35 PM
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Our LBs possess both the physical and cognitive abilities to perform as you say is needed from them if they are to be great.
The LB coaches (DC also) have been ineffective at teaching our LBs what to do.
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
Oct 19, 2025, 5:16 PM
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OK WHAT ???? 30 CARRIES FOR 36 TOTAL YARDS? THAT'S JUST @ 1.2 YARDS PER CARRY!!!? AND YOU SAY OFFENSE IS OK... THIS IS THE "GOAST of FRANK HOWARD"... GOD LOVE HIM WHEN 3 YARDS ON 1st DOWN WAS GREAT! IN THOSE DAYS, BUT WE ARE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE DABO! I WAS FRESHMAN IN '64 AND A SERIOUS FAN FOR 60+ YEARS NOW "OFFENSE IS OK"... REALLY?
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
Oct 19, 2025, 6:02 PM
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So what do we do about the COACHING??? I have faith in Dabo. He's earned the right to have some mercy and grace from the fan base. But what about OC and DC? I think they're both HORRIBLE!
Their QB could barely walk, yet we don't blitz him? We let him sit back there and pick us apart? Why not bring the house??? On every play? Think if he was healthy! He would have EMBARRASSED us!
But again... what is the solution to the poor coaching???? I don't think we can fire them? Right? Someone please give me a reasonable response!
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Re: TNET: Final Grades: Clemson offense is ok, but coaching and defense failed
Oct 19, 2025, 8:17 PM
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Your writing is "serviceable".
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