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I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 5:40 PM
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fail to reach their potential as Clemson footballers. Whether it was Hunter Johnson, Demarckus Bowman, or DJ Uiagaleilei, we are always left with a sense of disappointment and a lot of unanswered questions.
Thankfully, this isn’t an issue with our basketball program under Coach Brownell. I can’t think of a single 5 star player he’s recruited who has failed to develop as predicted.
Maybe Dabo can learn a thing or two from Brad after all.
Go Tigers!
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 5:40 PM
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I, for one, appreciate your sarcastic dry wit.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 13, 2022, 8:49 AM
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Ditto FSU. Well played Judge.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 5:41 PM
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Milton Jennings says hi
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Nice try, but Milt wasn’t a Brownell recruit.***
Sep 12, 2022, 5:41 PM
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Re: Nice try, but Milt wasn’t a Brownell recruit.***
Sep 12, 2022, 5:46 PM
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Hey Judge. Like your Clemson basketball knowledge. Do you know the name of the first Clemson basketball player who had at least 20 points and at least 20 rebounds in the same ACC game? Just checking you out. BTW what year was it?
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Clemson Sports Icon [54046]
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I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 5:49 PM
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I’m not sure if he was the first though.
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Re: I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 5:57 PM
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Buzz!! Happened earlier. Want to try again??
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Re: I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 6:18 PM
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Tree would have been my first choice too as he was back in my day. I will take a SWAG and say Banks McFadden.
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Re: I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Not Banks or Stan Rome. I'll share the name later in the week if no one gets it first!!
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Re: I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 6:46 PM
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I'm down to two, Donnie Mahaffey or Tommy Smith and I am going to go with Donnie as my first choice.
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Points galore!
Sep 12, 2022, 8:49 PM
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Don't know about rebounds, likely just few. Maybe 20 in a season. But points aplenty. Saw him many times in Littlejohn while I was still in elementary school. Top 10 below for single game scoring. Saw Skip Wise, too, in his brief collegiate career.
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1 James Erwin 58 1911–12 Butler Guards
2 J.W. Stribling 50 1915–16 Erskine
3 Bill Yarborough 46 1954–55 South Carolina
Butch Zatezalo 46 1968–69 Wake Forest
5 Butch Zatezalo 43 1969–70 NC State
Will Solomon 43 1999–00 Virginia
7 Will Solomon 41 2000–01 Georgia Tech
8 Bill Yarborough 40 1954–55 Virginia
9 Choppy Patterson 39 1960–61 The Citadel
10 Bill Yarborough 38 1955–56 Duke
Butch Zatezalo 38 1968–69 Wake Forest
Skip Wise 38 1974–75 Pennsylvania
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Re: I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 6:00 PM
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I was gonna guess Tree as well. He was in HS a few miles up the road where I was in college.
How about Stan Rome? But, he probably never got 20 rebounds.
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Re: I know Tree Rollins did it several times.
Sep 12, 2022, 6:19 PM
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Had a class with Stan. He was a nice and very funny guy to be around.
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Angel or Maxwell or????
Sep 12, 2022, 8:41 PM
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Due to disinterest in MNF, some incomplete research (Top 10 from Wikipedia) shows David Angel and Earle Maxwell with 21 rebounds against an ACC foe. Both at 21 (Maxwell vs UNC in 60-61,Angel vs UVA in 72-73). Did either score 20? The missing data point (#11 with 20 rebounds) may hold the answer.
Tommy Smith with 30 rebounds vs UGA in 54-55. That's a bunch.
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1 Tommy Smith 30 1954–55 Georgia
2 Donnie Mahaffey 25 1962–63 Georgia
3 Donnie Mahaffey 24 1962–63 The Citadel
Tree Rollins 24 1973–74 Delaware
5 Tree Rollins 23 1976–77 Tennessee Tech
Tree Rollins 23 1976–77 Maryland
7 David Angel 22 1971–72 Auburn
Tree Rollins 22 1975–76 Harvard
Tree Rollins 22 1975–76 Baptist
10 Earle Maxwell 21 1960–61 North Carolina
David Angel 21 1972–73 Virginia
Dale Davis 21 1988–89 North Carolina
Dale Davis 21 1990–91 SC State
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Re: Angel or Maxwell or????
Sep 12, 2022, 8:59 PM
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It is either #1 or #2 because he said it was before Tree Rollins and those are the only ones with at least 20 rebounds before Tree Rollins. Mahaffey did it twice and Smith once. Since Mahaffey did it twice I thought he might have scored 20 pts in one of those games so he was my first choice but then again, Tommy got 30 rebounds in the one game and if you assume a lot of those might have been offensive rebounds then you might also assume he put a bunch of those back up for points in the paint.
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Re: Angel or Maxwell or????
Sep 12, 2022, 9:05 PM
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It was Maxwell 21pts 20 boards. Smith was 1st to 20-20 club, but not in an ACC game.
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Re: Angel or Maxwell or????
Sep 12, 2022, 9:15 PM
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I stand corrected. I looked at my statistics incorrectly. Maxwell sounds like the winner!
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Re: Angel or Maxwell or????
Sep 12, 2022, 9:40 PM
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WE HAVE A WINNER!! Well done. Smith was against Georgia not an ACC opponent.
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Re: Nice try, but Milt wasn’t a Brownell recruit.***
Sep 12, 2022, 8:16 PM
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I believe Tree's 1st game at Clemson he had a 20 - 20 night.
How about mid 50s Bill Yarborough as Clemson's 1st 20-20 man.
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I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been watching Brad fail to get 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 5:43 PM
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except for Milton Jennings…. Cough cough. I guess that was OP’s fault
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Let me know when Brad’s failure rate with 5 stars he’s signed
Sep 12, 2022, 5:45 PM
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is as high as Dabo’s.
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Jennings was Brad’s player to develop. So far Brad has a 100% failure rate
Sep 12, 2022, 5:52 PM
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on both recruiting and developing five stars. HTH
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You're really a pathetic troll.
Sep 12, 2022, 7:49 PM
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How many 5-stars has Dabo not "developed", and how does it compare to every other program in America.
For the life of me, I can't understand why you're allowed to troll about football like a pathetic coot. You need to be put on vacation during football season.
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He can't attract 4 or 5 star players, troll
Sep 12, 2022, 7:56 PM
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Because his system sucks and nobody worth a ### wants to play in it. And obviously has no real accomplishments which adds to the dilemma.
12 seasons. A top 40 salary with TWO top 40 finishes in 12 years.
How many 4 and 5 stars has he signed? How many players left here better when they came?
You need to be banned, troll. Don't come back until basketball when we cam all laugh at your futility.
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it will be so nice when Brad is finally fired.
Sep 12, 2022, 5:43 PM
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for incompetence. with $0 buyout. and you go with him.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Seriously, have we ever had a 5 star recruit in basketball. If so , they are rarer than Haley’s comet.
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Only Milton Jennings in the era of recruiting services.
Sep 12, 2022, 5:47 PM
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Sad, isn’t it?
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Re: Only Milton Jennings in the era of recruiting services.
Sep 12, 2022, 5:56 PM
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Brownell just can’t recruit,sad.
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He has recruited okay, definitely better recently.
Sep 12, 2022, 7:40 PM
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But I agree, recruiting is his biggest issue which is why having a great staff is so important.
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So yeah, you agree..
Sep 12, 2022, 8:07 PM
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He can't recruit, develop, or make the tournament more than twice every 12 years.
So why are we paying him thr 38th highest salary in America?
Troll
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Re: So yeah, you agree..
Sep 12, 2022, 9:43 PM
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He's made it over twice in 12 years. Lmao.
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Lol. Sorry, 3 appearances, TWO WINs
Sep 12, 2022, 10:43 PM
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Keep in mind the play-in game was with OP's players, which was the best roster he's ever had. It was a game to "play into" the real tourney.. where we lost 1st round.
So yeah, I misspoke. Two wins ever, and a #38 salary. With great facilities and support.
Anything else?
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Re: Only Milton Jennings in the era of recruiting services.
Sep 12, 2022, 7:11 PM
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That team we had that beat Auburn by 30 in the NCAAs was a really good one. I wish they could have gone a little further but had a key injury as I recall.
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Donte Grantham was the injured player.
Sep 12, 2022, 7:44 PM
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I agree, that was a very good team. I think it could’ve been our best basketball team we’ve ever had.
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Re: Donte Grantham was the injured player.
Sep 12, 2022, 9:02 PM
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I also liked that team with Nance that lost to Louisville and Darrell Griffith in the Elite 8.
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Re: Only Milton Jennings in the era of recruiting services.
Sep 12, 2022, 11:03 PM
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That team and the 1996-97 team were the best I’ve watched. That 96-97 team hit a wall at seasons end, but they made the Sweet 16, and had #1 Seed Minnesota down six with about three minutes left in OT. They were definitely good enough to have made the Final Four that year. They absolutely destroyed Kentucky in an early season game. The 17-18 team was a straight up Final Four Team as well. If they had Grantham, I think they would have beat Kansas and made the Final Four. Arguably, the Cliff Dweller had some better regular season teams than either of those teams, but I think that 96-97 and 17-18 teams were the best I have seen.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 8:44 PM
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Seriously, have we ever had a 5 star recruit in basketball. If so , they are rarer than Haley’s comet. If there was a Star System in 1974, he would have been a 5 Star Plus!
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Paw Warrior [4904]
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Skip Wise was the Best to ever sign at Clemson!
Sep 12, 2022, 8:46 PM
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See above
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Re: Skip Wise was the Best to ever sign at Clemson!
Sep 12, 2022, 9:04 PM
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It is a shame drugs took all of that away.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 5:55 PM
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“Such truer words have never yet been spoken;
Among Chinet, no fine china gets broken.”
- Wilhelmina Von Flakespeare
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 6:05 PM
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Wilhelmina was married to William.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 13, 2022, 9:08 AM
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William was his given name, but everybody called him Billiard.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 6:01 PM
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First time in along time someone’s left me speechless ?
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Clemson Conqueror [11750]
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Creative. I’ll give you that.***
Sep 12, 2022, 6:20 PM
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 6:27 PM
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I gave you a thumbs down on this one because sarcasm is overrated.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 6:30 PM
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He has the freedom to throw shade at Dabo now but .. will go away quietly once BB season starts.
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Nope, I’ll be here.
Sep 12, 2022, 7:46 PM
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And I think Dabo is amazing.
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Re: Nope, I’ll be here.
Sep 12, 2022, 9:16 PM
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And I think Dabo is amazing.
Lol. When you were gone from last late January and didn't come back till March when Neff sent letter indicating Brad is coming back next season?
Once the Tigers start about 7-13, you will be gone with Brad, or back with the new Clemson Basketball Coach as your avatar once he is hired..
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Nope, you’re wrong as usual
Sep 12, 2022, 9:18 PM
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COOT
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That's one way of looking at it, LOL***
Sep 12, 2022, 6:33 PM
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Another way to look at it
Sep 12, 2022, 6:39 PM
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Is Dabo recruits so many 5 stars some are bound by statistics not to reach potential and since Brad never has…
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Join IPTAY.***
Sep 12, 2022, 7:51 PM
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It would be nice if that useless potato could recruit a 5* player***
Sep 12, 2022, 7:03 PM
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 7:10 PM
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Nice troll.
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The only 5 star brownell has ever developed is the…
Sep 12, 2022, 7:18 PM
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5 star troll that is the judge.
But he may be the GOAT
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 7:26 PM
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DJ isnt done.
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No he isn’t. I think he’s going to have a good year.
Sep 12, 2022, 9:21 PM
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Unfortunately, I don’t think our coaches are able or willing to devise a game plan to best use his skills.
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How many 5-stars have you written off as "failures"
Sep 12, 2022, 7:44 PM
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And how does it compare to other teams.
The fact of the matter is we've succeeded at levels above our overall talent level.
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Where's the list of 5 star players that Brownell has
Sep 12, 2022, 7:54 PM
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successfully recruited? I'm sure the Mods would make an exception to their rule against lists to see that list.
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It’s zero.
Sep 12, 2022, 9:22 PM
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That’s why this post is funny.
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 8:06 PM
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And you wonder why people downvote you?
KYS
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You can add World Championships to that list.
Sep 12, 2022, 8:24 PM
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Heck, Dabo hasn't even sniffed a semi-final there in all his years here. All he's mustered is conference titles and natties. Sad.
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he doesn’t get 5 star recruits bro
Sep 12, 2022, 8:27 PM
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I’d love to see him change the trend for sure. Very close with Brice Johnson and Zion Williamson but just as his predecessors before him… it’s close to impossible.
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Re: he doesn’t get 5 star recruits bro
Sep 12, 2022, 8:56 PM
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Brad can't even get 4 star talent since PJ Hall. And, you mentioned having a great staff. We had a top recruiter in Coach Dean and Brad let him go to UGA. I guarantee non one on this staff is good as Coach Dean in the recruiting circles. He was responsible for getting top 100-150 players Dawes, Chase Hunter, Schiefflin, and the frosh Wiggins and Godfrey. Oh, and was getting a top 25 transfer when Llewelyn commited, but Brad couldn't hang on to him. Brad depends on his assistans to get all thecrecruits, because he can't recruit worth crat. Coach Dean Leaving will be the end of Brad soon, trust me...
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Clemson Sports Icon [54046]
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Just out of curiosity, when did you become a Clemson fan?
Sep 12, 2022, 9:25 PM
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Did you graduate from Clemson?
What is the last Clemson basketball game you attended?
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Clemson Sports Icon [54046]
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 9:06 PM
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Milton Jennings just wasn’t very good.
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All-TigerNet [5930]
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Re: I was just thinking about how frustrating it’s been seeing 5 star players
Sep 12, 2022, 9:19 PM
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??♂️
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Passive Aggressive Trolling is very cootish***
Sep 13, 2022, 7:54 AM
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Orange Elite [5333]
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Drop BB baseline to 3 stars and redo your comparison.
Sep 13, 2022, 8:11 AM
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That would seem more appropriate.
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