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It's unbelievable to me that allies would be asking Israel....
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Apr 19, 2024, 6:08 AM
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Not to respond to Iran launching 300 drones and missiles against against them. Is there any scenario where one could imagine the US not responding to such an attack?
And all the calls for a cease fire against Hamas, yet they STILL hold Israeli prisoners.
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Re: It's unbelievable to me that allies would be asking Israel....
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Apr 19, 2024, 6:37 AM
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At this point both sides need to deescalate. Iran felt they had to respond to the embassy attack, so they did, but they also telegraphed the hell out of their drone swarm, no civilian targets, etc. They clearly don’t want a war. I think I agree that Israel should stand down for now against Iran.
As far as Hamas goes… they need to be eradicated, whatever it takes.
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Odd media coverage on this. I think this may have been arranged.
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Apr 19, 2024, 7:36 AM
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Iran has officially denied any attack. Israel didn't target the most sensitive targets either. I think this may be the end of it. Bibi and Iran each saved face.
We will see but that's my guess. My hope anyway.
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Re: Odd media coverage on this. I think this may have been arranged.
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Apr 19, 2024, 7:40 AM
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Iran has admitted there was an attack. They said they shot down 3 drones. They are making it sound like there was no damage in Iran. Anyway, I think it's over as well as far as missles shot directly from Iran into Israel.
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Re: Hamas is backed by Iran...how can they be treated separately?***
Apr 19, 2024, 7:57 AM
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Proxy war and they aren't Iranians. I guess it is just the way the world does things. Kind of like how we are separate from Ukraine or Israel. Iran is just funding and arming them supposedly.
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And do you think if Hamas attacked the US that we wouldn't also...
Apr 19, 2024, 7:59 AM
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go after Iran?
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Re: And do you think if Hamas attacked the US that we wouldn't also...
Sep 5, 2021, 10:18 PM
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Depends on the circumstances, but quite possible. We have been attacked by terrorist organizations before though. Proxy groups funded by Iran have attacked US soldiers before. Israel doesn't want an all out war with Iran anyway. It would just be a disaster in the end. Moreover, we don't want them to do that. It would be destabilizing for the globe.
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No, like how we invaded Afghanistan after 9-11***
Apr 19, 2024, 9:48 AM
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Re: Hamas is backed by Iran...how can they be treated separately?***
Apr 19, 2024, 8:59 AM
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Same way we’ve been treating their proxies separately for decades, I think it’s in the pursuit of avoiding a much larger regional war. That’s the last thing we (or Israel, or Iran for that matter) need right now.
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Re: It's unbelievable to me that allies would be asking Israel....
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Apr 19, 2024, 7:29 AM
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If a Canadian General were in Mexico preparing to wage war with the US, we would take him out. If in response Canada launched a missile attack into the US, there would not be much of Canada left.
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Re: It's unbelievable to me that allies would be asking Israel....
Apr 19, 2024, 7:37 AM
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The jew haters are always gonna advocate Israel stand down and allow itself to be destroyed. It really isn't a mystery at all.
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Re: It's unbelievable to me that allies would be asking Israel....
Apr 19, 2024, 7:42 AM
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They are actually looking out for Israel. They don't want an escalation either. Israel already has their hands somewhat full and it could get a lot worse.
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Israel is not "responding" they are escalating.
Apr 19, 2024, 7:38 AM
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What Iran did was a response to Israel bombing their embassy. Netanyahu has lost in Gaza and now wants a regional war to draw the United States into the conflict.
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Re: Israel is not "responding" they are escalating.
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Apr 19, 2024, 7:44 AM
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Israel hasn't lost in Gaza. Also, Israel doesn't want a regional war.
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Explain this
Apr 19, 2024, 7:50 AM
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How are things going well for Netanyahu? He hasn't gotten hostages back, he hasn't defeated Hamas, and killing 13000 children means he's lost support from most of the world.
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How can "he hasn't gotten the hostages back"...
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Apr 19, 2024, 7:58 AM
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not be seen as a slamming condemnation on Hamas as the main contributor to what is happening in Gaza. Why only Israel's fault in so many folk's analysis?
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Re: Explain this
Apr 19, 2024, 8:06 AM
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He has the support from the USA, France, England, and some others so he is good. He got some of the hostages back. Might not get any more back. Who knows? He isn't going to kill every Hamas soldier. Overall, I see it as a win though for Israel already. Hamas might think twice. Gaza is leveled. Its working out as well as realistically possible. People can protest all they want, but it is irrelevant to Israel. The people that are the losers in this deal are the innocent Jewish people all over the planet who aren't even Israeli. Anyway, I would rather be in Israel than in Gaza.
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So, it didn't have anything to do with Iran-backed Hamas...
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Apr 19, 2024, 7:50 AM
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activities in Israel?
I don't think you can start your timeline where you did for context.
Hamas is still holding (hopefully they're not dead) a LOT of Israeli hostages from Oct 7 attack. How can that be overlooked?
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Glass houses or something.
Apr 19, 2024, 8:00 AM
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US-backed Israel doesn't give two ##### about hostages. How do we know this? Because they successfully got a bunch of hostages back during a ceasefire already; they have a blueprint for getting them back. It's worth noting that Netanyahu loves Hamas because the existence of a terrorist group inside Palestine gives him license to do whatever he wants.
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That is a slap-arse crazy and unfounded statement...
Apr 19, 2024, 8:05 AM
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they don't care about the hostages?!??
Come on man...I would use your 'R' and edit that if I were you.
No...it's everyone else that doesn't care about the hostages. It's somehow Israel's fault that they don't have hostages back that were taken under the most savage conditions. Dang man
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Are you somehow suggesting that that proves your point? Did you read it?***
Apr 19, 2024, 8:28 AM
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Yes
Apr 19, 2024, 8:36 AM
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It shows explicitly that the military operation in Gaza is not concerned with hostages.
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Re: Yes
Apr 19, 2024, 8:45 AM
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The hostages and killing Hamas are the two priorities. Where those hostages were killed, something like 8 Israeli soldiers were killed in that spot a couple days earlier. You have to remember that a lot of those Israeli soldiers are just reserves. They make mistakes and are under a bunch of stress.
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To be clear, are you suggesting the Israeli solders shot the hostages...
Apr 19, 2024, 9:49 AM
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on purpose?
If not...please be specific.
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Re: This is the same number of hostages rescued.
Apr 19, 2024, 8:39 AM
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It was a blunder. They didn't want to kill their own hostages. That's ludicrous to believe that. The Israeli government is under a great amount of pressure to bring them home. Netanyahu only gains by getting them home.
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Kind of
Apr 19, 2024, 8:48 AM
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I do think there's a lot of pressure from Israeli citizens to rescue the hostages, but his coalition government doesn't really represent the people, they're extremists. Netanyahu and other members of the government have straight up announced their intention to settle Gaza, which takes any realistic peace deal off the table.
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Re: Kind of
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Hamas has already r*aped and killed a bunch of hostages. They killed close to 1200 people before that as well. He doesn't need any more of an excuse for the war.
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Re: Kind of
Apr 19, 2024, 9:16 AM
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Hard to know how many people killed on October 7th since Israel won't let an investigation happen, but I'd guess about half of the 1200 were killed by Israel as part of the Hannibal Directive. As far as the hostages go, they're mostly dying from Israel bombing them. This is why Israeli citizens are protesting, they are upset with the "just bomb them some more" strategy to get the hostages back.
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You "guess"? based on what?***
Apr 19, 2024, 9:51 AM
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Re: Glass houses or something.
Apr 19, 2024, 8:10 AM
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Hamas won't return them. They won't even acknowledge how many are alive if any. Hamas was offered a ceasefire for the hostages and 1000 Palestinian prisoners. Hamas turned it down.
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You are probably right about the hostages
Apr 19, 2024, 8:27 AM
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and how Israel sees them. Sort of an extension of their “Hannibal Directive.”
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Re: You are probably right about the hostages
Apr 19, 2024, 8:40 AM
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Israel sees the hostages as outrageously important.
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That is what they publicly say about their soldiers too.***
Apr 19, 2024, 8:46 AM
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Re: That is what they publicly say about their soldiers too.***
Apr 19, 2024, 8:49 AM
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You don't think Israel cares about their soldiers?
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See my post that you initially replied to.
Apr 19, 2024, 9:13 AM
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If you’re not familiar with what I referenced, read up on it.
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Re: See my post that you initially replied to.
Apr 19, 2024, 9:42 AM
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I have heard about it before. That doesn't mean they don't care about their soldiers. Youre oversimplifying things some. They care about their soldiers so much they are willing to give up a 1000 Palestinians for 1 soldier. They care, but it's just an extreme approach where a soldier or hostage can die if captured.. Israel is known for going way overboard in exchanges for their soldier hostages though or to kill the terrorists where the hostage dies. Its due to prior situations. They have already bombed some buildings in this war killing hostages if you believe Hamas. They care about their soldiers and hostages though. Israel is notorious for their loyalty to their captured citizens. Its part of the culture and always has been.
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Re: It's unbelievable to me that allies would be asking Israel....
Apr 19, 2024, 8:15 AM
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They still hold American hostages also, yet we hear so little about this from the Biden Administration.
I have a colder take on hostage taking. Rewarding any group that seizes hostages with concessions only encourages the taking of more hostages.
Case in point: Iran put Jimmy Carter and America on our collective knees for 444 days. While it's nice these people were eventually freed, perhaps it would have been better to have given Khomeini a week to let the hostages go and then if not done, to have launched a massive conventional attack on Iran's oil complexes, electrical grid, Navy and Air Force to make Iran a snack later for Iraq or anyone else interested.
The lives of 52 people were put ahead of the country as a whole and since then many Americans have died as the pain inflicted on those bringing harm to us has not been sufficient to deter aggression.
If Israel and the US back off to get a few people back, there will be far greater suffering in the future.
It's cold, but I would consider these hostages gone and continue to degrade Hamas.
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