Again, just relating what he said... If I've 'had' Covid, I

getting very limited. Paxlovid is still (somewhat) effective, I think. But none of the monoclonal antibodies work anymore on what's going around now. So much so that the FDA rescinded the EUA on the last working mAB a month ago. So that leaves you with some steroid treatments. There's the antiviral molnupiravir, but, in certain people, it causes the virus to mutate wildly. It is probably not a good treatment option and many think it should be banned/rescinded. They have traced genomes of covid in people who took molnupiravir, and learned the virus mutates at an extreme rate in people treated with that drug, and that alone can make it a bad idea for treatment as it can spark off a new variant.

Between paxlovid, some other steroid medications, that's about all you have. There's convalescent plasma as well. But even paxlovid doesn't work for everyone. A large percentage of people have rebound infections after paxlovid, and those rebound infections are NOT mild, and worse than the initial infection. If you get a rebound infection with paxlovid, I think the math says it's not really much better than not getting it.

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It's interesting to see how they are studying antivirals

Dec 13, 2022, 3:28 PM

currently. They have sequenced so many millions of covid genomes they can actually see how the virus evolves, and they have noted certain mutations that have cropped up in places in response to certain antiviral/mAB treatments. One set of sequences, found in a patient who took Molnupiravir, had mutated so much, his covid genome was as far from Omicron as Wuhan covid was from 2003 SARS. Basically they saw 3 YEARS of evolution in a month, in a patient after taking Molnupiravir.

Furthermore, if you are paranoid about the mRNA vaccines, you should be more concerned with anti-virals. On paper, they're (potentially) more dangerous. These antivirals have been sped into production and authorization just as rapidly as the vaccines. And there's no way you can tell the long-term impacts. If you assume everyone gets covid, well, everyone gets those impacts from the vaccine or the virus since the vaccine is the virus. But the anti-virals work differently, and are synthetic, in that they're not natural, like the covid virus, or the mRNA vaccines derived from the covid virus.

Molnupiravir was originally designed to be an influenza drug, but was not approved, and abandoned, when concerns of mutagenicity arose during trials. Basically the drug works by forcing errors in rna encoding, effectively short circuiting the viral reproduction process. BUT, in working the way it does, it also forces the virus to mutate, sometimes wildly. And while this may kill the virus in 99% of people, there's that small fraction who have the virus remain in their system, WILDLY mutated, and over time, with enough people taking Molnupiravir, it can lead to a new novel variant. And that concern is separate from the concern of permanent DNA damage to the patient, or possible future cancer risks.

If you see all the precautions, and procedures, that have been tossed out the window with covid, you have to know it's not just a cold, or just a flu. The mRNA vaccines are far safer (at least they're natural), than the antivirals. The virus does not "see" anything different from a person who has been vaccinated over a person naturally infected. The virus sees the same antibodies. With antivirals, and Molnupiravir in particular, the virus basically is short circuited into mutating randomly into oblivion, and while that's a good possible approach, it can lead to some very bad longterm outcomes, not only to the host, but the virus may hit on a mutation that spreads, resetting the pandemic back to square one (again). It's not a pandemic btw. But that's another story.

It is just interesting to see the people who think the vaccine is some synthetic, unnatural treatment, but those same people will gladly gobble down any pill they're given. If you know how the vaccine works, and how the antivirals work, the later is far more dangerous, potentially.

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BIL gets sick, home tests '+' f/ Covid, goes to hospital.

Pfizermectin isn't as good as the real thing.***

I think both of them should start drinking heavily.***

They don't drink.***

You see this is how the Jounge works.

Missed it. Got it. Did they close the Jounge? ;~)***

See, that right there is the problem.

Epic.***

"There is wisdom in your words."***

The fact that posting this on a politics board is more disturbing than anything else.

You might want to review some of today's previous posts.

The adverse side effects may be more gastrointestinal than

He was prescribed antibiotics and steroids... BIL didn't

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You get your big Pharma check yet?

Obviously, the Dr is a retipilian, bent on rendering the

You're getting almost as silly as the rodent. Cheese, too?***

Hey NJDev..can you tell us about the reptilians?

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Blaspheming again?***

Oh. please... I was looking forward to your take.***

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Thank you. Concise and pertinent response.***

Define "antivirals". Because the treatment options are

He didn't name the antibiotic but the steroid was prednisone***

There's a research facility local to me that is doing

Is it this?

I can't find the specific name or any mention of it on the

#StillGotIt***

Are people still going to the hospital just for testing

He was throwing up bad for about 12 hours before testing.

I think...well I KNOW...I'm not a doctor...

He did. They were just surprised about 'no anti-virals'.***

It's interesting to see how they are studying antivirals

Thanks. I'm inclined to believe this is those docs' take...

So you're saying this isn't some money making scheme

That's some strong cyphering. Where's Jethro...?***

Tull or Bodine?***

Latter... to help.***

At this point, it couldn't hurt.

BIL's surprise that he wasn't prescribed anti-virals. Next?

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thank goodness you're not a doctor.***

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Remdesivir kills people. Pfizermectin causes rebound

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Quite honestly, don't know. He didn't mention that, though.***

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