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Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:04 PM
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has been in a continuous fall since Jeff Scott left to become a HC at the very end of the 2019 starting 2020, Brent Venable, and Tony Elliot left our FB program at the end of 2020, start of 2021 to become HCs at other programs. Since those 3 coaches have been gone, it started the constant fall of our glorified FB program that was winning at the highest level of college FB.
I totally believe that our FB program woes the past few years has totally been bc of Dabo's lack of interest of going outside of our FB program and hiring the best assistant coaches that college FB has to offer that could be enticed to come to Clemson to help keep our FB program at the championship level that it was.
There is nothing that anybody could say to convince me of any other reason of why our FB program is in the state that we see it in today. As good as Dabo has done with our FB program in the past, he has absolutely fumbled the ball with his assistant coaching hires since Jeff, BV and Tony left to become HCs at other programs.
Even though I think that Garrett Riley was a step in the right direction, Dabo could have and should have made at least a few more replacement hires to accelerate our FB back to the way that it was before Jeff Scott left to become a HC, and again after Tony and BV left to become HCs.
The FB programs that hired those 3 Clemson coaches, they totally recognized the reasons that our FB program raced to the top of the mountain the way that our FB program did once Dabo had the right staff in place that made it all come together as a championship quality program at Clemson. Dabo and Clemson were a championship contender for 6 straight seasons up until other FB programs recognized the coaches that kept Clemson rolling into the playoffs and into the championship game season after season.
Clemson became one of the best FB programs in the country bc of the assistant coaching hires that Dabo put into place and allowed them to jell together and become one of the best coaching groups in all of college FB, and the proof was in showing up in playoff after playoff against some of the best teams in the country and beating them to continue on into the national championship games 4 straight times and winning two national championship.
I truly believe that the only thing that can stop our downfall from the top of college is Dabo Swinney himself. Before even Dabo can stop what's happening with our FB program, he has to stop making excuses and saying things like we're only 3 plays from being 4-0 bc the facts are we are 2-2, and the reason we are 2-2 without any doubt is because of the lack of Dabo going outside of our FB program and hiring the best coaches in college FB.
The moment that Dabo admits to his own mistakes if only to himself, and at season end I pray that he will make the decision to look and find some top quality coaches that he can bring in during the start of the off season to help our once glorified FB program right back to the top of college FB before anybody has a chance to miss us not being there. This is what I personal expect our HC to do before things get any worse than what they have become of late. If Dabo loves Clemson the way that we think he does, that love for his team should out weigh his stubbornness, or I believe that it should....
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:09 PM
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No use of the !...hacked account.
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The Dynasty was Jeff Scott, Dabo Swinney, and Brent Venables
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:11 PM
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Tony Elliot gets too much credit. In reality, he had TL16 ETN and the WRU crew and could not beat LSU or Ohio State. That's profound.
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Re: The Dynasty was Jeff Scott, Dabo Swinney, and Brent Venables
Sep 28, 2023, 4:13 PM
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But he was smarter than what is there today. And Tony was a better position coach than some may want to give him credit for being.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:14 PM
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Riley is the most aggressive, high profile hire he has ever made. Venables was being demoted at Oklahoma and Chad Morris had 1 year of college experience - total. He didn’t even play college football. And I can’t stop you from including 2020 but including a season we finish 4th in the country is asinine. So his next OC, who was arguably as experienced as anyone else he hired was replaced after 2 seasons with his most aggressive hire ever. The defense is top 10. If you’re going to spit in his face how about fabricate legitimate reasons.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 4:18 PM
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Look at where we were before we started losing coaches in very important spots...
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 4:22 PM
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Were you fretting about the PK position during the offseason?
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 4:38 PM
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I’m looking. Two seasons removed from CFP. 2 games away in 2021. 1 game away last year. 1st year OC addressing exactly the problem you’re complaining about. And a top 10 defense. Besides inventing time travel what do you actually want?
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Re: Yep.... Clemson Had Something Special Not Too Many Had...... ---
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:46 PM
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.......and that was continuity. Experienced continuity. That was hard to come by.
In recruiting there was Dabo... Venables...Scott...Reed ..and Elliott. Those were 5 good ones. 3 are gone and yeah I see the difference. If anyone don't....let me ask you now.... where is that Florida speed that we had a pipeline to??? Scott used to pluck them right out of there to come to Clemson. We are struggling so much with that now and lately.
That speed we had along with some size showed we had some dudes to fear....all over the field. That fear opened things up for everyone else on the team to shine. We have to get that element back. Dabo and these coaches have to get that back.
Venables...and Reed...brung in these hunters on defense year in and year out.
Elliott saw things in running backs that nobody else could. Spiller has it in him but he has to be more aggressive on the recruiting trail to get these game changers.
The offensive line has been that scar that is impossible to hide. That area is where continuity is valued the most.
We have to stop bringing in too many bag boys from Bi-Lo's because they are not really helping iron to sharpen iron.
This portal and the NIL is ripping this sport apart as well as many teams in college football. Thats the main part we have to avoid yet use to our advantage.
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Re: Yep.... Clemson Had Something Special Not Too Many Had...... ---
Sep 28, 2023, 5:09 PM
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I don't think we have to worry about any more bag boys coming in from Bi-Lo's anymore.
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Re: Yep.... Clemson Had Something Special Not Too Many Had...... ---
Sep 28, 2023, 7:22 PM
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Exactly, that experience and that coaching is gone and hasn't be replaced with the likeness of a few of those coaches that left for HCing jobs, and the position coaches that went with them also. Dabo knows what it takes to get us back to where we were and maybe even better, for whatever the reason he chose not to replace that coaching talent with the same or better in a couple of those positions...
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Re: Yep.... Clemson Had Something Special Not Too Many Had...... ---
Sep 28, 2023, 7:36 PM
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It’s not about speed. It’s about having enough time to find the open receivers. Do you look at game film? Pass blocking and run blocking is very, very inconsistent.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 8:18 PM
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We were jump ball U under Elliott, or wide receiver screen U. Pick either.
Garrett is by far the best hire at OC under Dabo. He has to be an excellent QB coach as well, look how much Cade has improved from last year and through first four games. Has gotten better each and every week.
We did miss BV last season but I think the defense has look good this year. Honestly we have the same amount of talent today that we did when we won the two championships. The QB is not as seasoned as those two but he has the talent to be elite as well.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 8:21 PM
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We were jump ball U under Elliott, or wide receiver screen U. Pick either.
Garrett is by far the best hire at OC under Dabo. He has to be an excellent QB coach as well, look how much Cade has improved from last year and through first four games. Has gotten better each and every week.
We did miss BV last season but I think the defense has look good this year. Honestly we have the same amount of talent today that we did when we won the two championships. The QB is not as seasoned as those two but he has the talent to be elite as well.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 4:19 PM
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 4:25 PM
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It's not because of Dabo, and it's certainly not because of Jeff Scott. The problem is that we lost some of the recruiting advantages we had several years ago.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:00 PM
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Just win the next game!
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:00 PM
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Your opinion is as good as anyone else's. Even though you have me on ignore
I will reply. Its Jeff Scott not Jeff Scoutt so lay off the booze.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 7:28 PM
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Sorry about that bc I didn't know that you were on ignore. I wish that while you were correcting my spelling, you would have called me out with misspelling weigh also
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The stats are clear
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:03 PM
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there is no great mystery surrounding what happened.
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Ive been away
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:07 PM
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How is the JV season going?
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Thanks for asking.***
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:08 PM
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Impressive. Did you have a calendar reminder or something?***
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:07 PM
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Re: Hello HitsLikeRendrickTaylor....
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:34 PM
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I was about to make a post…everyone can flame me for being wrong.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:28 PM
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I'd be willing to bet you criticized him for making those hires.
Nobody wanted JS and TE promoted, they all wanted a big name OC.
Venables was considered by a lot of people to have been a back up to Randy Shannon.
That's why I don't understand why Dabo gets the rap that he can't coach and is just a CEO and recruiter. 4 of his 6 offensive coordinators were hired from within.
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Totally right, Big******
Sep 28, 2023, 6:11 PM
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2021 had Venables and Tony Elliott still on staff
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Sep 28, 2023, 5:41 PM
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2022 was the first year without them.
I do think WR play, especially blocking, has dropped since Jeff Scott's players left. That, in and of itself, can account for a loss or two each season.
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Agreed, one dominating receiver probably changes...
Sep 29, 2023, 9:18 AM
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...some of those recent losses. Just one Mike Williams, Nuke, Sammy, etc... probably would have been a game changer.
Additionally, taking runs to the house like ETN seem elusive lately, having a guy that can break away for a 50+ yard run is missing.
Both combined (lack of dominating WR / break away RB) has changed the dynamics of the score fast and often offense we've been used to seeing.
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Tucked right in the middle of that range was the longest
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Sep 28, 2023, 6:11 PM
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winning streak in CFB, finishing 6-0 in '21 and starting 8-0 last year. Yeah, that long ago, with roughly the same 'inexperienced' staff that we have now, save for the big change at OC (by stubborn, hubrised Dabo of course).
FSU
Louisville
UConn
Wake (#10)
SCar
Iowa St
Ga Tech
Furman
La Tech
Wake (#21)
NC State (#10)
BC
FSU
Syracuse (#14)
We've obviously hit a bump in the road lately here and are in a bit of a slump. Good thing we have a pro staff that doesn't panic and fold in the face of adversity like many of the folks on here have, and aren't willing to throw out our secret sauce worrying about the sky crashing down.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 7:38 PM
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The hiring of Riley is so much more than a step in the right direction.
You complain about Dabo doing too much hiring from in house, yet you say that things went downhill after two in-house hires, Jeff Scott & Tony Elliott leave. So which is it?
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 7:40 PM
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Silly. Where were those advantages at USF and UVA? Even Oklahoma struggled last year. Clemson offensive and defensive stats are still impressive. Stick to facts.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 7:41 PM
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Silly. Where were those advantages at USF and UVA? Even Oklahoma struggled last year. Clemson offensive and defensive stats are still impressive. Stick to facts.
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Re: Clemson FB starting 2020, 2021, 2022, and now in 2023
Sep 28, 2023, 8:48 PM
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“As good as Dabo has done with our FB program in the past, he has absolutely fumbled the ball with his assistant coaching hires since Jeff, BV and Tony left to become HCs at other programs.”
“Clemson became one of the best FB programs in the country bc of the assistant coaching hires that Dabo put into place and allowed them to jell together and become one of the best coaching groups in all of college FB, and the proof was in showing up in playoff after playoff against some of the best teams in the country and beating them to continue on into the national championship games 4 straight times and winning two national championship.”
So what changed?
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