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Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 8:04 AM
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Privately the GOP says if the impeachment vote was anonymous they would convict Trump. Can’t be 100% sure this is true, but it does make sense for a sane rational person.
It does take some balls to do what Romney, Liz Cheney, Ben Sass et al, are doing. However I don’t think it would be difficult for the remainder of the GOP to come together, do what they believe and openly vote against Trump. The ironic thing is, I think this would be a less risky move politically. Continuing to lie to the American people, left and right, will not end well.
With all that said, I see smart people do dumb things every day.
I feel like we all know how this is going to end, i.e., trump a few years from now, it’s just a question of the carnage and the path to get there.
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Orange Immortal [61350]
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1) politicians are scum 2) they only care about votes
Feb 9, 2021, 8:09 AM
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3) they are spineless 4) they see what has happened to those in the House who dared speak the truth
Pitiful.
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Paw Warrior [4703]
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Re: 1) politicians are scum 2) they only care about votes
Feb 9, 2021, 9:06 AM
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Paw,
I do not want to commit to a full-throated defense of politicians, but I would like to point out that their entire job security is based upon winning those votes every two years.
I wonder if any of us would put our family's financial security at risk to do the "right thing" ?
I wonder if any of us has done something at work that they did not agree with to keep our jobs ?
In a democracy, we get the kind of politicians that we demand/deserve.
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Re: 1) politicians are scum 2) they only care about votes
Feb 9, 2021, 4:33 PM
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That’s pretty easy. I would put my family's financial security at risk to do the "right thing" and if I got voted out of office I would go get another job. Come on ...... how weak are these guys ......... they can’t feed their family without this one single job?
Not doing the right thing just to keep that one single job that will feed their family leans towards socialist thinking. Continue poor performance and feet off the government mammary glands.
While I firmly believe what I just said and I would do as I just said, I think the GOP is making a miscalculation. I think they would have more job security if they got rid of Trump. Trump has never been a Republican. Still is not a Republican.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 8:10 AM
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Some in the GOP actually embrace Trumpism and are part of the nutjob neo-fascist train. Most others, however, are trying to figure out how to push him away without losing too many votes. They know in a general election, most Americans would reject Trumpism (as proven on Nov. 3), but in a primary, they know there are enough crazies to potentially vote them out of office.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 8:22 AM
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That's the problem.
Our ridiculously (and artificially) entrenched two-party system is creating a whole lot of this mess right now.
I mean: "Democrat"? "Republican?" What is any of that? I know I'm sure as eff not a Republican any more since they went plum crazy, but a lot of this Dem stuff...no.
I seriously want more options on the menu here.
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Paw Warrior [4606]
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 8:11 AM
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They're wimps. They are now the party of beating police officers with flag poles.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Heisman Winner [78285]
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Trump supporters haven't changed at all and he'd likely
Feb 9, 2021, 8:11 AM
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win a primary again easily. Even if enough voted to remove there is a chance these Trump supporters would simply align with whomever he told them to.
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Re: Trump supporters haven't changed at all and he'd likely
Feb 9, 2021, 4:35 PM
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OK so we should all live scared of Trump, and do as he dictates until he dies.
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Campus Hero [13577]
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Who is “we all”?
Feb 9, 2021, 5:07 PM
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Are you scared of Trump?
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Valley Legend [12187]
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This isn't hard to figure out....
Feb 9, 2021, 8:21 AM
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There are far right districts, just like far left districts.
Politicians are in it for themselves and put self-preservation above all else.
At the end of the day they'll do what they need to do to get re-elected.
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Re: This isn't hard to figure out....
Feb 9, 2021, 4:37 PM
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I agree that the districting is a huge problem that entrenches the partisanship.
Correcting that and putting some type of term limits in place are probably the two most effective ways to strengthen our democracy and put more power in the hands of voters.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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They are all scared to get in his scope of fire....
Feb 9, 2021, 8:31 AM
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because way too many GOP primary voters identify themselves by who they voted for for POTUS and not any real foundational principles.
With that said, if enough of the GOP banded together, they would inoculate themselves from Trump. It just takes a bit of stones and it doesn't seem like many of them have much in that department.
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Heisman Winner [78285]
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But would they? Unless the GOP could somehow
Feb 9, 2021, 8:36 AM
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keep the whole Trump clan from running for office the he'd just pick the next one in line.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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I don't think there is enough funding available...
Feb 9, 2021, 8:39 AM
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to primary that many incumbents that previously support Trump's policies but moved away from him now.
I think with 2 years time gone by, etc...that would be tough for Trump to pull off.
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Paw Warrior [4703]
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Re: I don't think there is enough funding available...
Feb 9, 2021, 9:17 AM
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Flow, Maybe, but who is going to take the chance that THEY won't be the ones primaried.
ONE of the underlying problems here is gerrymandering. When districts are drawn so as NOT to be competitive (between the parties), the competition moves towards the extremes. When districts are competitive, the competition moves towards the sensible middle.
The Dems are going to propose non-partisan district committees for re-districting. In that way, they hope to create more competitive districts - where better, more sensible policy ideas are more likely to prevail than emotional extremism.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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The dems are proposing that at all the state levels?....
Feb 9, 2021, 9:26 AM
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I wouldn't mind seeing that, but I'm highly skeptical. The gerrymandering issue is an issue with both parties.
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Paw Warrior [4703]
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Re: The dems are proposing that at all the state levels?....
Feb 9, 2021, 10:05 AM
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I agree, although I think the Reps have been more aggressive about it.
That said, non-partisan commissions tasked with creating competitive districts would ameliorate the problem for both parties.
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Re: I don't think there is enough funding available...
Feb 10, 2021, 7:58 PM
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Raleigh ? Raleigh ??
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Paw Warrior [4703]
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Re: They are all scared to get in his scope of fire....
Feb 9, 2021, 9:10 AM
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Flow,
I think for a while, McConnell was thinking along these lines, but he could not get enough Reps to commit to it to get to critical mass, so now he is trying to walk a tightrope to minimize damage to the party from both sides.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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yeah, I think so too. This is one of the situations...
Feb 9, 2021, 9:27 AM
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where trying to walk razor thin line may do more harm than good.
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Orange Immortal [64002]
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I think Trump and his team is waiting
Feb 9, 2021, 8:39 AM
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on all these Senator and Reps to show their cards. Once they have shown their cards, they will then strike out on a new platform/party and start pushing for 2024. I personally think Trump is too old to run again. I would never vote for anyone over the age of 75 for President.
I might be totally wrong, but I am not sure that Trump can actually fracture the party at the local and State level. You can tie your horse to Trump if you want, but you need to have a sound voice around policy. I think the party will fracture on the National level and split votes come November 2024.
I have a sneaky feeling that Coronavirus has put a new emphasis on local politics. They way mayors, city councils, Governors are all conducting themselves will be HUGE in the next voting cycle. People forget that you closed that old park and community center. People cannot escape the fact they are stuck in their homes without a job, no church, no school, businesses are closing. I think local politics could see a big resurgence in the next couple of years.
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Orange Blooded [2435]
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 8:42 AM
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Just what we need another effing liberal shooting off at the mouth and knowing nothing about what he is talking about. Then all his little liberal buddies chime in with their effing nonsense.
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Paw Warrior [4703]
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 9:19 AM
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Well, at least you are willing to consider things logically.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 11:03 AM
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Dumbing down? This coming from the party of QAnon? That’s hilarious.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 10:04 AM
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Probably has dirt on Half of them and access to a bunch of classified material he could just blather on about should his poor impulse control take over.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 11:21 AM
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Because no Republican in office now, in fact, no Republican ever has been as popular as Trump.
You think because of a few pubs speaking out that he could be impeached in a private vote? Lol. Guess you didn’t see the Rand Paul vote.
This thread shows how clueless the left is about Trump supporters. The GOP doesn’t need to rid itself of trump, the GOP needs to become more Trumplike if they ever care to be in power again.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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That's a bold statement considering Trump...
Feb 9, 2021, 11:28 AM
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holds the record for all-time lowest approval ratings throughout his term.
Now, if you had said he has the most passionate and forgiving base of any Republican, I could agree with that.
Your last statement is just flat wrong. Trump has a hard ceiling and it did not changing throughout his Presidency.
Not all of the 74MM people that voted for Trump are hard-core Trumpers. And certainly not all of the 81MM that voted for Biden are not hard core dems. There was a heavy contingent of "anti's" on both sides.
If the GOP were to become MORE Trump-like, it would be a disaster in 2022 and definitely in 2024.
IMO, the view of Trump is not going to get softer with time like it did for Bush, Clinton, and Reagan. I think it's going to get harder on Trump.
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Gridiron Giant [15618]
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Re: That's a bold statement considering Trump...
Feb 9, 2021, 11:41 AM
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I was waiting on the “more trumplike” response to reference tweets and insurrection. Well done for not going there. Approval ratings? Really? Those mean nothing, look at the votes. The house gained GOP seats. The house is the only place urban parts of the states don’t totally control...yet.
But really what I mean as far as Trumplike is lower taxes, pro business, border security, dumping the Paris climate accord (I care about the environment, I just know in my heart that things like the Paris climate accord do nothing for the environment, and everything to hurt US businesses), Iran deal, calling out NATO and the UN for not paying their dues.
He didn’t get to do everything he wanted, but he tried like hell and never quit. That’s the difference between him and other members of the GOP. They are weak, spineless, and stop trying after Election Day.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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They mean nothing? Come on....
Feb 9, 2021, 11:51 AM
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at the time of the election, he had roughly 44% approval rating.
He got 46.9% of the popular vote.
But the approval ratings, soft support at the margins, and high levels of "anti" votes on both sides matter a great deal when analyzing the politics.
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Gridiron Giant [15618]
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Re: They mean nothing? Come on....
Feb 9, 2021, 12:15 PM
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There is no correlation between those two numbers. The approval rating is all people, not even just voters. His votes were Trump voters. He got 46.9 of the popular vote which is close to 100% of pubs/conservatives (his approval rating among them is not 44%). If urban areas were republican and the rest of the states were dem, he’d be president. It’s just a total numbers game. Cities are Dem and they outnumber the rest of their state. Look at any swing state and the votes by county. NY, PA, GA; outside of urban areas and they are all red. Liberal ideology of urban areas now decides who the president will be. Now we can all live like they do. Taxed to death, and have all the same problems. Yippie.
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Ultimate Tiger [33501]
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Generally in the polls where he was in the mid-40's are...
Feb 9, 2021, 1:47 PM
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of likely voters...not all people. He trends higher in polls of likely voters vs those based on all adults.
Also, conservative and people that lean conservative is higher than 46%. He didn't win close to 100% of pubs/conservatives. If he would have, he would have won GA according to the exit polls and the down ballot races.
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No, he "quit"--a lot. I'm still waiting for his
Feb 9, 2021, 12:03 PM
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healthcare plan. And for him to create a health savings account, and for him to build the wall an have Mexico pay for it, and place a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying for foreign governments, and to close parts of the Internet where ISIS is, and for him to place a lifetime ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections, and invest $550 billion in infrastructure and create an infrastructure fund, and to bring back manufacturing, and make no cuts to Medicaid, and grow the economy by 4 percent a year, and Guarantee a 6-week paid maternity leave, and appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton, and Get Congress to allow health insurance across state lines, and Renegotiate the Iran deal, and Enact a 5-year ban on White House and congressional officials from lobbying and Rebuild the Marine Corps to 36 battalions, and add additional federal investment of $20 billion toward School Choice, and change the vaccination schedule for children, and "Adopt the penny" plan on defense spending, and expand national right to carry to all 50 states, and Eliminate gun-free zones at schools and military bases, and End birthright citizenship, and cancel all funding of "sanctuary cities", and Remove all undocumented immigrants, and triple ICE enforcement, and dramatically scale back the U.S. Education Department, and eliminate Common Core education, and Eliminate wasteful spending in every department, and Reverse China's entry into the World Trade Organization, and I got tired of copying and pasting the remaining 20+ things he quit on that he promised, but finally, I'm still waiting for him to to Stop the AT&T Time Warner Merger (that already passed).
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Re: No, he "quit"--a lot. I'm still waiting for his
Feb 9, 2021, 4:40 PM
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Trump never did really govern. He hired and fired via Twitter. He did implement to tax cut and he gets big credit for that.
Other than that all he did was build 9 miles of border wall and cancel lots of treaties and international agreements. Oh and by the way he did talk a lot of $hlt.
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Re: No, he "quit"--a lot. I'm still waiting for his
Feb 9, 2021, 4:40 PM
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Trump never did really govern. He hired and fired via Twitter. He did implement to tax cut and he gets big credit for that.
Other than that all he did was build 9 miles of border wall and cancel lots of treaties and international agreements. Oh and by the way he did talk a lot of $hlt.
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I think a lot of it depends on your definition of Trumplike
Feb 9, 2021, 2:19 PM
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If Trumplike = the corporate media definition of a whiny, over tweeted, narcissist, racist, insurrectionist...then yes, I agree with you. That obviously didn't work.
If Trumplike = his policies: America first, gangbuster economy, standing up to the establishment, and at least appearing as though he gives a #### about working class Americans (by actions, not words)...then I vehemently disagree with you.
The number of "antis" far outweighed for anti-Trump than anti-Biden, due to Trump's personality that pissed off and turned off a huge faction of this country. All of the BS that Trump did that got everyone's panties in such a wad didn't really bother me. I knew it'd cost him, and I didn't like him for it, per se,...but his policies were benefiting me and my family. I knew Xiden would be an Obama 2.0, and that we'd be going backwards.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, in theory, it'd be pretty simple for a Republican to win again. Mimic Trump's policies, but don't tweet like a child and sound like a moron. Say just enough to be controversial to the establishment, but for the love of God, be calculated in what you say, who you say it to, and what the topic is. Put America first and stand up for the working class through actions and policies, not virtue signaling and SJW ########. Put logic over emotion.
However, all of this conversation is moot without discussing the current media landscape. The bigger issue is that the media is too powerful and the masses will listen to whatever ######## they say and take it hook, line, and sinker. Until people can actually step away from their echo chambers, see both sides of arguments, and put together their own thoughts and viewpoints, we're fooked. (much less actually be able to talk to one another if we have differences)
It will be very tough for Republicans to overcome this, regardless of who the person is running for office.
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 2:18 PM
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One term loser in a landslide whose party lost control of the Senate says what?
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Re: Why is GOP so scared of trump?
Feb 9, 2021, 4:44 PM
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Agreed.
My bottom line is I think the GOP is making a miscalculation. I think the GOP would be better off uniting and abandoning Trump. He lost the popular vote in two consecutive elections. Safe to say he’s less popular now then 11/5/20. Simply don’t see why they’re scared of him.
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Why are DEMs so scared of Trump? I would think it would
Feb 9, 2021, 5:50 PM
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be awesome for them if he were able to run again in 2024.
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Re: Why are DEMs so scared of Trump? I would think it would
Feb 9, 2021, 5:57 PM
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I don’t think Dems are scared of Trump, I think it would be a disaster for the GOP if he ran again in 2024.
Comical that the GOP still doesn’t understand they’ve been hijacked.
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Re: Why are DEMs so scared of Trump? I would think it would
Feb 9, 2021, 7:21 PM
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Not hijacked.... called out for being political sellouts.
I’m not quite sure people understand that most Trumpers truly hate GOP as much as most Dems.
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Re: Why are DEMs so scared of Trump? I would think it would
Feb 9, 2021, 9:09 PM
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I did not, do not, I understand that most Trumper’s truly hate GOP as much as most Dems.
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Re: Why are DEMs so scared of Trump? I would think it would
Feb 9, 2021, 9:11 PM
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I did not, do not, I understand that most Trumper’s truly hate GOP as much as most Dems.
If that’s the case, then the GOP senators should definitely not be scared of Trump.
Look we all know a lot of politicians are inherently weak and spineless, but the current situation is pathetic, these guys have the balls of a gnat.
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I've heard some DEMs say - We need to be sure Trump can't
Feb 10, 2021, 5:22 PM
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run for office again - that's why impeaching him is so important. I just think it would be awesome (for DEMs) if Trump tries to stay involved. He's an anchor around the neck of the GOP.
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Maybe I’m not that well versed in politics
Feb 10, 2021, 6:25 PM
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If Trump were the incumbent, then, yeah I can see them having to support him (see 2020)
If he were to make a “comeback” on 2024, I don’t see why they would be forced to back him
“Hey, remember that time you lost 2 popular votes and scored 1 win and 1 loss in the EC, we want someone else”
Again, I may not understand, but I see no reason the GOP has to support him in 2024
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The GOP is controlled opposition. They are only supposed
Feb 9, 2021, 6:28 PM
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to make you think they care about freedom or the constitution, but they never actually do anything to progress those causes. All they do is talk a big game, and do nothing. Then behind the scenes they funnel billions to connected corporations and get kickbacks. Democrats are commies and Republicans are frauds. It's all the war party at work, and they're working against us.
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