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who was General Robert E. Lee
Jul 16, 2020, 6:01 PM
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I grew up IN Central, SC, just down the road from Clemson, for those that don't know the Upstate. I went to R.C. Edwards middle school and D.W. Daniel High. admittedly I probly slept through a history class or 2 or more, but I never really learned much about who Robert E. Lee was, other than a West Point grad, vet of several wars, and a brilliant strategist. I always seem to get the ideas that that he was a reluctant leader of the South, and was actually opposed to slavery itself (a states rights kinda guy).
This article (and others) paints a different picture
https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9009420680#:~:text=%E2%80%9CBetween%20owning%20a%20handful%20of,of%201862%2C%E2%80%9D%20he%20said.
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My Grandmother's (Mom's side) great great uncle...
Jul 16, 2020, 6:09 PM
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or something like that. We never thought it was all that cool.
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Want to know more about my Mom's side of the fam?
Jul 16, 2020, 6:17 PM
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It's cursed.
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So....that short AP blurb counters history books
Jul 16, 2020, 6:09 PM
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Again, you cast yourself as the reluctant idiot...
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Re: So....that short AP blurb counters history books
Jul 16, 2020, 6:11 PM
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thx for your astute opinions (*sarcasm) I clearly said this article...
BUT just so you don't get all up in your feels about it. Here is a quick wiki search's info. I'll paste this part:
"Several historians have noted the paradoxical nature of Lee's beliefs and actions concerning race and slavery. While Lee protested he had sympathetic feelings for blacks, they were subordinate to his own racial identity.[60] While Lee held slavery to be an evil institution, he also saw some benefit to blacks held in slavery.[61] While Lee helped assist individual slaves to freedom in Liberia, and provided for their emancipation in his own will,[62] he believed the enslaved should be eventually freed in a general way only at some unspecified future date as a part of God's purpose.[60][63] Slavery for Lee was a moral and religious issue, and not one that would yield to political solutions.[64] Emancipation would sooner come from Christian impulse among slave masters before "storms and tempests of fiery controversy" such as was occurring in "Bleeding Kansas".[60] Countering Southerners who argued for slavery as a positive good, Lee in his well-known analysis of slavery from an 1856 letter (see below) called it a moral and political evil. While both Robert and his wife Mary Lee were disgusted with slavery, they also defended it against abolitionist demands for immediate emancipation for all enslaved.[65]
Lee argued that slavery was bad for white people but good for black people,[66] claiming that he found slavery bothersome and time-consuming as an everyday institution to run. In an 1856 letter to his wife, he maintained that slavery was a great evil, but primarily due to adverse impact that it had on white people"
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Re: who was General Robert E. Lee
Jul 16, 2020, 6:21 PM
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“Although history knows him mostly as “the Rebel General,” Lee was a disbeliever in slavery and secession and was devoutly attached to the republic that his father and kinsmen had helped bring into being. He was, moreover, very advanced in his rejection of war as a resolution of political conflicts—a fact that has been almost entirely ignored by posterity.”
WRITTEN BY Clifford Dowdey Lecturer in Creative Writing, University of Richmond, Virginia, 1958–69. Author of Lee and others; editor of The Wartime Papers of Robert E. Lee. LAST UPDATED: Jun 8, 2020
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This is the BS we were all talking about a few weeks
Jul 16, 2020, 8:14 PM
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ago about being taught in school.
There were actual abolitionists in those days. They didn’t fight for the south.
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Re: This is the BS we were all talking about a few weeks
Jul 16, 2020, 9:49 PM
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Don’t care either way, just saying alot of historians have repeated that description. I believe those that say he anguished over the decision but went with his state. People can’t understand that in today’s terms, that people had a sense of “state-ism”.
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why are we talking about a loser like Robert E Lee?
Jul 16, 2020, 6:25 PM
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Sure, he did what he probably thought was right in his heart, but at the end of the day, he was a LOSER.
And we all know that the current landscape is all about #winning.
If you ask me, it seems most people who get butthurt about this kind of thing have ironically given Lee a participation trophy.
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I'm purple.
Jul 16, 2020, 6:45 PM
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Union soldiers on Dad's side of fam.
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I'm red as can be
Jul 16, 2020, 6:51 PM
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Both sides of the family are direct descendents of Civil War participants in the SC panhandle. I won't go into details, but the genealogy is literally in a scrapbook in my grandad's sitting room...old newspapers and all.
It's my responsibility to my future children to make them understand that fighting for a lost cause and losing isn't necessarily honorable. You can learn from it and it can be a catalyst to become better. But it doesn't make you a winner or a good person.
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Most of us were yankees at some point.
Jul 16, 2020, 7:05 PM
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us as in white people.
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not in GA.
Jul 16, 2020, 7:49 PM
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buncha convicts.
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Lol all these white folks just mysteriously showed up in GA
Jul 16, 2020, 8:18 PM
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landed at River St on St Paddys day, had a parade, shat pants
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Re: I'm red as can be
Jul 16, 2020, 8:00 PM
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Where is the SC panhandle?
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York, Lancaster and Chesterfield counties***
Jul 16, 2020, 8:21 PM
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Yep, your fam just grew out of the ground there.***
Jul 16, 2020, 8:46 PM
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You do know that a lot of Americans landed in the US
Jul 16, 2020, 9:29 PM
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by way of the Virginias and Carolinas all the way down to South Florida and the Keys right? I'm not even sure what you're saying lol
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Anyone with Irish blood now thanks their name is Kunta Kinte***
Jul 16, 2020, 9:31 PM
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Re: who was General Robert E. Lee
Jul 16, 2020, 6:41 PM
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I find Lee interesting. I think my favorite book about him is Crucible of Command that parallels him and Grant. I don't think it's disputed that he had mixed loyalties towards his Country and State, and went with Virginia. He certainly wasn't an abolitionist though. His letters make perfectly clear that any dislike of his towards slavery was because he thought it was burdensome. He had no problem keeping slaves he inherited and viewed the races as unequal. It's a good thing we don't teach history using statues and monuments, because it's messy and complicated.
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Re: who was General Robert E. Lee
Jul 16, 2020, 7:17 PM
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libs have no idea what facts are. They have redefined that term as well.
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Re: who was General Robert E. Lee
Jul 16, 2020, 7:25 PM
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if only he was here and we could have Oprah or dateline interview him
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