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why is #### like this still happening?
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Dec 4, 2020, 10:01 AM

Geez Louise. Test, trace and contain people!

http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-news/nearly-90-percent-of-centre-crest-residents-test-positive-for-covid19,1484605/?fbclid=IwAR0MFtfX5oy56nwXmaPHK3lbJXsbeo_BYrg1CufljX-FXtefLiCJjcbPZks

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Dec 4, 2020, 10:02 AM

Nearly 90 Percent of Centre Crest Residents Test Positive for COVID-19

A Bellefonte senior-assisted living facility has confirmed that 145 of its residents have been identified as having active and confirmed cases of COVID-19, and 46 members of the facility’s staff have also tested positive for having active cases of the virus.

Centre Crest’s administrator, Andrew Naugle, reported the numbers Nov. 30 in an official statement and also posted the figures on the facility’s website.

The confirmed 145 cases come from a total of 164 residents at the nursing home, according to WPSU, meaning there is an 88-percent infection rate among residents.

Naugle said at this time, the facility’s 145 active cases among residents bring the cumulative total of cases to 193 among residents since the pandemic began.

He said Centre Crest had no residents with new onset respiratory symptoms within a 72-hour period as of Nov. 30.

Naugle said they also had no staff with new onset of respiratory symptoms within the 72-hour period.

“As our nation, commonwealth and local community continue to weather the [coronavirus] pandemic, we believe it is extremely important that accurate communication occur," Naugle said. "We are doing what we can to limit the spread of COVID-19 within the facility. We are taking steps based on guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the local Health Department and Emergency Management Agencies to reduce the spread and impact of COVID-19.”

He said Centre Crest is employing the following methods to keep its residents and staff safe: enhanced infection control precautions, screening residents, staff, and essential visitors for expanded list of symptoms, using personal protective equipment, restricting visitation and entry of people to the building, testing staff and residents for COVID-19 based on current protocols and availability of tests, and postponing communal activities.

There have not been in-person visitations at the facility since September.

As of Thursday, the Department of Health has reported a total of 493 cases of COVID-19 of residents in 16 nursing homes and personal care homes in Centre County, and 83 cases among employees of those facilities.

There have been 39 deaths reported from long-term facilities.

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I've told everyone why.


Dec 4, 2020, 10:42 AM

Nursing homes, meat packing plants, JAILS, there's a reason it spreads in jails, even when you confine everyone in cells, and in nursing homes where people stay in their rooms. Same reason it spreads around on cruise ships with people confined to their cabins.

Short version - It's in the air. Airborne. The 6 foot rule does not prevent it spreading. Masks help but are not 100% effective. Get enough people sick with it, in an enclosed area, with recirculating air (hvac), and it will spread. Large apartment buildings, prisons, nursing homes......

It's in the air. The more sick people are breathing in an area, the more it spreads.

The proper way to deal with it in a nursing home, jail, or ship environment or anywhere is to MOVE the first sick person as soon as they test positive, into an area with separate air. If they stay in the same room sick, their air gets filled with the virus. A portion of that is recirculated. Another person gets it. They spend days breathing out the virus, it leaves their room. A third person gets it, and it cascades. Each new infected person puts a larger amount in the ambient air others are exposed to. Soon it spreads everywhere as the concentration is too high NOT to get sick through the whole place. Same reason it runs thorough houses. Someone gets it, they lock themselves in a bedroom. They take every possible measure to isolate in their home. If they didn't spread it before isolating, they still spread it through the HVAC system.

Air concentration of the virus, and exposure level. Those two things dictate the spread. Young kids don't get it (under 10) at rates like adults because their lungs are smaller. They breathe in a lower volume of air. They also exhale a lower volume of air. They have less exposure to the virus level in the air. Smokers and people with asthma and COPD are also less likely to CATCH the virus. IF they get it, they're at greater risk of a severe case, but markedly less COPD/smokers/lung disease/asthma people are contracting covid in the first place. 20-30% BELOW the rates of the greater population. It's deadlier for them though if they get it. Buy why are they avoiding it more? Because they have impaired lungs, and take in and exhale a lower volume of air. That's why socially distanced gyms are so bad, as compared to a socially distanced movie theater or even a restaurant. People in gyms exchange a very high volume of air. A person jogging on a treadmill inside, with covid, expels many times more virus into the ambient air than someone similarly infected sitting at a table in a restaurant.

The best way to control it is so antithetical to our freedoms, we never will. Lockdowns are the best that the west has to offer, and even that measure is too much for Americans. It is being done in Europe, and it works. But to really deal with it like the countries who have dealt with it best, requires a process which we will never submit to as Americans. Taking sick people, even healthy people who test positive with no symptoms, and quarantining them for several weeks among other infected people. Removing them from the air of healthy people, then returning them later when well. College students in the US have summited to these quarantine measures, and it has kept universities operating. Massive testing, quarantining positive people away from their dorms and student body, then returning when well. Keeping sick students locked up in their dorms, with other healthy students nearby sharing the same air.....doesn't work. So you make quarantine dorms, hotels, whatever. And it works, and students are willing to submit to that, and it's kept colleges open when it would otherwise be impossible.

In Wuhan China they initially ignored it. When it couldn't be kept hidden anymore, and hospitals were overrun, they enforced a STRICT lockdown of all people in Wuhan. Like you can't leave your house strict. But even that didn't stop it, as it ran through families and through densely populated apartment buildings. FINALLY, China pivoted to the most drastic and most effective measure, what our colleges are doing. Lockdowns work in decreasing the virus, and even nearly eliminating it in rural areas. But in cities, when you reach a certain point, even a lockdown can not stop the spread. NYC almost reached that point in the spring. When they locked down deaths and cases were off the charts. And over time the cases decreased, and they stayed locked down a LONG time. The virus had not reached Wuhan levels in NYC. If a large city in the US reaches those levels, even a lockdown will not work.

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i guess that's what I meant...we know this now (or at least


Dec 4, 2020, 8:55 PM

I thought folks understood this), so why, in a place with high risk individuals are they not being more deliberate about identifying and isolating COVID carriers?

I'm sure the answer is money. or lack thereof.

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