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One thing must be remembered about the controversial call...
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One thing must be remembered about the controversial call...


Sep 8, 2018, 10:56 PM

The ball did not have to be inside the pylon. If the officials determined that if the ball would have even touched the pylon it would be a touchback. The pylon is in the playing field.

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Sep 8, 2018, 10:58 PM

I agree. If a player can stick the ball over the pylon and it counts as a TD, it should be a touchback if it is fumbled as it was. I hate that it came down to a controversial call, but a win is a win.

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Sep 8, 2018, 10:59 PM

The ball went over the pylon if you look at the replay from the pylon camera. It was a good call.

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Thought so as well***


Sep 8, 2018, 11:00 PM



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It was a good call***


Sep 8, 2018, 11:03 PM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]



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They still had to get 2pt try


Sep 8, 2018, 11:01 PM

They didn’t. The controversies surround 2 holding call 59 minutes after game started

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They stopped calling holding years ago***


Sep 8, 2018, 11:04 PM



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Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call...


Sep 8, 2018, 11:04 PM

The pylon is not in the playing field. It is out of bounds, but it is also at the endzone line. So anything that touches it is out of bounds in the endzone, hence touchback.

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Sep 8, 2018, 11:13 PM

I think you are wrong about that. The pylon is in bounds. I have seen many times where a player touched the pylon with the ball and was awarded a touchdown.

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Sep 8, 2018, 11:15 PM

If the pylon was out of bounds as you suggest then it would not be a touchback..?. It would be out of bounds!

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Sep 9, 2018, 9:00 AM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]

FORESTTIGER That is because the front of the pylon also marks the front plane of the endzone. So any ball that was controlled by a player would have crossed the endzone plane first as it hit the pylon so it would be a TD. I think we are agreeing on the result, but for a different reason.

This is from the current NCAA rule book

Loose Ball Out of Bounds
ARTICLE 3. a. A ball not in player possession, other than a kick that scores a field goal, is out of bounds when it touches the ground, a player, a game official or anything else that is out of bounds, or that is on or outside a boundary line.
b. A ball that touches a pylon is out of bounds behind the goal line.

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Sep 9, 2018, 9:10 AM

Here is a perfect picture showing that the pylon is not in bounds. It's entirely in the white.

https://goo.gl/images/znj6SM

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Sep 9, 2018, 10:49 AM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]

What you have said proves my point. The ball is OUT Of BOUNDS once is passes the end zone.... thus we had a touch back! NOT an out of bounds play at the one yard line

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Sep 10, 2018, 11:24 AM

Yes I know we agreed on the result of the call being correct, but not on the pylon being "in play" as originally stated. The pylon is out of bounds (not in play), but past the plane of the goal line.

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Sep 10, 2018, 11:45 AM

incorrect:
https://247sports.com/college/texas-tech/Article/NCAA-Rule-Changes-Part-3-104823076/

Now the Goal line plane runs between the pylons, and includes the entire pylon. The plane no longer exists beyond the pylons except in two specific cases: (a) When a ball carrier touches the pylon, and (b) when the ball carrier touches the ground in the end zone.

Examples: Play #1: The ball carrier dives for the corner of the end zone, leaping at the one yard line. The ball - in his possession: (a) touches the pylon; (b) goes over the top of the pylon; or (c) crosses the goal line inside the pylon. The player then first touches the ground three yards beyond the goal line out of bounds. Ruling: Touchdown in all three instances. The ball broke the plane of the goal line in the player's possession.

^ so if it would be a TD going OVER the pylon in possession and considered in bounds, then it's also considered in bounds going over it in a fumble instance.

https://rulebook.github.io/en/interpretations/rules/8/
When Declared—ARTICLE 1
Approved Ruling 8-6-1
I. Team A’s fumble strikes the pylon at the intersection of Team B’s goal line and sideline. RULING: Touchback. Team B’s ball at the 20-yard line (Rules 7-2-4-c and 4-2-3-b)...note, srikes the pylon is the same as goes over the pylon...only height trajectory affects whether it struck it or went directly over.

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Sep 10, 2018, 2:08 PM

What you posted about the rule change does not make what I wrote incorrect. This rule change that you posted is about not extending the goal line plane past the pylon, not about making the pylon part of the field of play. A plane is a two-dimensional geometry with no depth. The front of the pylon is aligned on that plane so the entire pylon is beyond that plane.

The pylon has always been, and is still out of bounds. You can see in the picture above that it is entirely on the white boundary marker. Its placement in the corner makes it past the plane of the endzone and thus anything that touches it would be past the plane of the goal line and out of bounds; resulting in a TD for an offense or in our case a touchback for a defense.

Once a player or the ball touches something that is out of bounds the play is dead, so if the pylon is out of bounds (past the plane of the endzone), then anything that touches it is dead ball past the goalline.

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Forest is right... pylon = playing field it was a good call


Sep 12, 2018, 4:59 PM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]

No question about that part. I know the pylon is considered fair

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Sep 8, 2018, 11:15 PM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]

Wrong.

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What a ######## response.


Sep 8, 2018, 11:17 PM

Just saying “wrong” and nothing else makes you look like a tool. Are you a tool?

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Sep 8, 2018, 11:16 PM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]

Pretty sure you’re absolutely wrong.

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Sep 8, 2018, 11:21 PM

It’s irrelevant. They got their touchdown 30 seconds later. The excuse of not scoring there was erased when they did shortly thereafter

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Sep 8, 2018, 11:22 PM [ in reply to Re: One thing must be remembered about the controversial call... ]

The pylon is to football what the "foul" pole is to baseball. It is in play. Why do you think players always dive for the pylon? They don't hit it by accident.

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Sep 10, 2018, 11:26 AM



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If the A&M guy holds on to the ball....NON ISSUE!!


Sep 10, 2018, 11:27 AM

Artavis put the ball on the ground a year or two ago...and it was ruled a fumble...incorrectly. Dabo said then, "if we hold on the the ball, the official cannot make that call"...

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This is a great point, a very important one . . . because


Sep 12, 2018, 4:33 PM

this means that if the ball was, say, "90%" out and "%10 in" (imagining the pylon and out of bounds line to extend up into the air), then the ball was in bounds. It's for this reason that all of Herbstreit and Rece's comments about it "appearing" to go towards the out of bounds line are not end-all-be-all observations. It could be mostly out and partially in and still be legally properly ruled in.

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