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Re: This is scary if accurate...
Jan 6, 2021, 10:53 PM
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Accurate is the operative word. I doubt this snap poll is legit. I’ve talked to a lot of conservative folks today and haven’t talked to even one who supports this insanity.
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Legend [18003]
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Really hope that's the case
Jan 6, 2021, 10:55 PM
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fivethirtyeight gives yougov an overall "B" grade if that matters.
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The numbers don't seem to make sense. 62% say it was a
Jan 6, 2021, 11:04 PM
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"Threat to democracy", but about half the pubs think the day was a good idea. I suppose numerically that could be true, but that doesn't sound right.
I don't even understand thinking it was a "threat to democracy". Democracy is a concept, and isn't going anywhere. As to our democracy, it shows the strength of it. As awful as it looked and was - and the events certainly mean a lot of things - the institutions were never in any threat of surviving or not performing their duties. When there is a threat, its good to know it, but that is fear mongering, imo. The question has to be worded that way to get that response, I think.
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It's just data....not really scary stuff.
Jan 6, 2021, 10:54 PM
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I don't think it's a threat to democracy. I disagree with their actions, but I don't think for a minute today that "democracy" (not sure why they keep using that word so inaccurately in these things) was on shaky ground as a result of it.
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Legend [18003]
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In a two party system to have one party so far from reality?
Jan 6, 2021, 10:57 PM
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I don't know, I can see how some might think that's a scary situation.
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The variable lies in who thinks who is a Republican...***
Jan 6, 2021, 11:01 PM
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Pubs are split down the middle whether it was a threat
Jan 6, 2021, 11:03 PM
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to democracy and on supporting it or not (again, if polls are to be believed). The continual hive mind groupthink of the dems worries me more than some variety in independent thought amongst the pubs.
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Pubs don't have an exclusive on independent thought...
Jan 6, 2021, 11:05 PM
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I've been an independent since John Anderson.
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good, you're talking to one as well.
Jan 6, 2021, 11:07 PM
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I'm referring to this poll.
Quite a lot of variation among the independents too....actually more than I would have thought.
The 56% of all voters that suspected election fraud was eye-popping as well...that's a lot more than just Pubs.
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Check my response in the 'cowards' thread.***
Jan 6, 2021, 11:14 PM
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I saw it, and in addition to being interesting.
Jan 6, 2021, 11:17 PM
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it confirms authenticity of Eames chair comment.
Now I am picturing you growing up like the kid in "The Toy".
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Oh, no... I'm a hands-on working stiff. I did get some help
Jan 6, 2021, 11:28 PM
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Uh huh.
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are you saying that it's "groupthink" of the dems...
Jan 6, 2021, 11:15 PM
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to, overwhelmingly, condemn the Capitol being stormed? And somehow are positioning that as a negative against the "independent" thought of the pubs? That's certainly a..take I guess.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that the brewing civil war within the Republican power structure for ideological control of the party between reality vs unreality is more worrying than the 'groupthink' of the democrats thinking the storming of the capitol building by terrorists is not good.
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Lot o points [155633]
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I like signs that people are thinking things through
Jan 6, 2021, 11:27 PM
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independently. Some may think "incorrectly" (in relation to my view, certainly not a universal truth) and some may think "correctly", but they're not following some party line, and that's a good thing.
If anything, I'm consistent. I think most modern protests are flat out unseemly and unnecessary.....I hold the same view of today's events as I do BLM riots/protests, Antifa riots/protests, Proud Boys riots/protests, etc. They're a bunch of boorish people taking the wrong and ineffective channels to do what they think is the right thing, and inconveniencing and harming a lot of people in the process who don't deserve to be.
Problem I have with the left groupthink is I'm willing to bet that you could flip the numbers against today's protests and find similar numbers in favor of some of the other ones I mentioned simply because ideologically it's what's expected. Let's see a little variety in the party already.
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The poll clearly does not show some thinking things through
Jan 6, 2021, 11:55 PM
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and others not. But I agree with the sentiment. But I'll say this, terrorists storming our Capitol building is about as "universal truth" as you can get outside of "is the earth flat?" And much like with those that argue the Earth is flat, I won't applaud them for thinking "independently" when it leads them to dangerous delusions and actions.
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That's the problem with universal truths.....
Jan 7, 2021, 7:57 AM
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they're often time and era dependent.
Sure these people seem like terrorists here on Jan 6th, 2020, but so did the Boston Tea party in their day (and no, I'm not putting them on the same level....it's an analogy). Much like declarations of "being on the right side of history" are one of my biggest pet peeves, I think there's a certain amount of arrogance and/or historical ignorance to presume that there's never a scenario where we could look back and go "@#$$, they were right".
Where I'm finding myself grading these people on a curve, right or not, is that they seem to believe they are on the side of preserving the republic, not seeking to dismantle it like some basic anarchist. I just happen to believe they're in possession of the wrong facts that drive them to that conclusion. Pure motives based on flawed intel.
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What would they be right about (in time?)...
Jan 7, 2021, 3:30 PM
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That Trump really did win the election? Any comparison to past events feels ridiculous in comparison because of what the intention was of these terrorists. They weren't trying to preserve the republic or save democracy, they were trying to stop it from working and to hold it hostage in a coup attempt pushed for by the President of the United States. You don't need a curve to grade how that will be remembered in history.
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Re: It's just data....not really scary stuff.
Jan 6, 2021, 11:33 PM
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The goal of the protestors was to halt the American election process. You can make a realistic argument to say they had little chance of achieving their goal. But any sane person would agree that the protestors goal was to, not only threaten democracy, but to stop the democratic process. This was a threat to democracy unless u wanna juggle semantics.
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I don't think most of them knew what their purpose was
Jan 6, 2021, 11:39 PM
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Re: This is scary if accurate...
Jan 6, 2021, 11:00 PM
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Those unhappy people need to reconsider their actions
Jan 6, 2021, 11:11 PM
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I’m unhappy that Clemson lost, but I’m not going to storm the castle over it.
We have a free and fair election. Anybody angry over the results needs to look at their leaders and stories being fed to them. The country isn’t going to become a socialist/Marxist/communist state. Too many people are still near the middle.
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Re: Those unhappy people need to reconsider their actions
Jan 6, 2021, 11:19 PM
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Dang. Trumpers have turned into OhioSt fans
Jan 6, 2021, 11:24 PM
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Using Pitt game as an example:
Clemson fans threw food and drinks on the officiating crew and tried to approach them. The ref and his family received threats at his home and business. Serious enough that cops parked outside his home. Ref still receives occasional calls from delusional fans (though thankfully at a much lower rate).
Not a good look by Clemson fans
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Re: Dang. Trumpers have turned into OhioSt fans***
Jan 6, 2021, 11:26 PM
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Complaints to ACC office are fine. Even Dabo submitted some
Jan 6, 2021, 11:47 PM
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Doxxing leading to family threats aren’t.
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Re: Complaints to ACC office are fine. Even Dabo submitted some
Jan 6, 2021, 11:52 PM
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so scary
Jan 6, 2021, 11:32 PM
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you should hide under your bed
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I really enjoy
Jan 6, 2021, 11:37 PM
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The percentage of people who were "unaware of the story." Was this the phone call that woke them from a coma? Perhaps they were just finishing their shifts from a mineshaft?
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mail in ballots are a threat to democracy.
Jan 6, 2021, 11:51 PM
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Dominion voting machines which send voter data to europe to be tallied are a threat to democracy.
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He's back to endorsing the coup!
Jan 6, 2021, 11:52 PM
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That didn't take long.
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They believe what Trump and his accomplices instruct them
Jan 7, 2021, 12:06 AM
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To believe. That is the problem. They have volunteered control of their entire brain stem. Like 1930s Germany.
Like Orwell, 1984.
“For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable – what then?” - 1984
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