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YOUR BALANCE
I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.
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I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 15, 2020, 7:20 PM

Without answers on the status of all of our starters going into the game and reasons for why we diverged so drastically from our game plan all season, I'm going to have to say Clemson beat Clemson, but for reasons that I can't explain. I mean LSU was good, but so was Ohio State. LSU was physical, but so was Ohio State. Burrow is really good, but take away a few chunk throws, and we have him contained. I don't think anyone can deny at the very least, it was a bizarre game, not "Best is Standard" for sure. It's not the losing that matters, we lost in 2015, but we lost for very obvious reasons and nothing was left unanswered. This year, there are many questions not answered.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:25 PM

Burrow: 463 yards, 5 TD, 0 INT, QBR 97.5 Not exactly what I would call contained.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:26 PM

You chose to not see the entire sentence, where I said take away a few chunk throws and we would have had him contained.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:33 PM

Quite often the teams that gives the opponent 628 yards and allows them10 more minutes of ball possession will get beat. It could have been worse!
There was one chunk scoring play . ONE.

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Jan 16, 2020, 12:03 PM

The 10 more minutes is key. What might the score have been if it had been balanced? Or if we had played ball control by giving it to ETN and Dixon (1 attempt), and actually had more possession time than LSU?

We'll never know, of course, but I'm proud of our defense. The raw numbers don't always tell the whole story. And you can't defend perfect ball placement.

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We read it. "A few" is about 10 to 12 plays short of where


Jan 15, 2020, 7:33 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team. ]

the actual issues happened.

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Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 15, 2020, 7:35 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team. ]

Those were not just chunk plays, Burrow was dropping those passes on a dime. Clemson played terrible because LSU prepared a great game plan and executed. We had plenty of opportunities to execute and couldn’t, which led to TL’s frustration and forcing of passes late in the 3rd quarter.

This just happens sometimes; you get outplayed. Take nothing away from LSU, they were the better team on Monday night. Time to let it go and move forward. We can’t go back and replay the game.

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“Take away a few chunk throws ... “. Well, of course.


Jan 15, 2020, 9:18 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team. ]

Same could have been said for Bama last year when they couldn’t contain TL or our wide outs.

You can’t just say “Take away” the very things that made the other team so effective.

Well, you can *say* it, I suppose.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:28 PM

Dabo was not happy either. He knows we lost because TL had a terrible off game. Dabo is not about to say anything about that nor is he going to make excuses. But TL knows and said he had a bad game. If we had gone into that game w/o TL, would we would have thought we would win? I think not, and that is basically what happened. And TL is the leader of the team, and he is the main reason we were there.

Had Joe Burrow had a bad game( an off night, )LSU would have lost.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:32 PM

Good explanation- junk yard ... We didn’t have TL - the real super talented TL - in that game ..... -<img border=">

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:34 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team. ]

Why Trevor's performance was probably the MAIN reason we lost, I'm not going to believe that is WHY we lost. I would break things down something like this:

1) Trevor's off night 25%
2) Lack of run/TE game in 2nd half %25
3) MIA for Chad Smith 15%
4) Targeting for Skalski 15%
5) Strange Bowl Prep %10
6) Home Field Disadvantage 10%

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Jan 15, 2020, 8:14 PM

Why was Chad Smith MIA for this game? Was he dressed out? Has there been any explanation? He was MVP on defense in Fiesta Bowl and not shown with any tackles in the NCG; zero.
TL's high number of overthrows were contributing as well; receivers did not have extension ladders. Our 3rd down productivity was awful and generally so was 2nd down.
This game was called for Clemson to have to struggle, I thought.

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Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 16, 2020, 2:20 PM

We played an extra DB and no Will linebacker. basically eliminates his position from the game.

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Our defense is largely to blame.


Jan 15, 2020, 7:58 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team. ]

It’s a tough request of our offense to score at least in the mid 40s, if not over 50, to win a football game.

Trevor and the offense didn’t have a great game, but to blame the loss on them is unfair IMO.

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Jan 15, 2020, 9:19 PM

It’s reasonable to ask the offense to go better than 1-11 on third down.

And magically, having our offense keep the ball more helps our defense.

It’s just weird how all that works.

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Jan 15, 2020, 9:22 PM [ in reply to Our defense is largely to blame. ]

If our offense was better on first down we might have converted more third downs. Extended drives would have kept our defense and more importantly LSU"s offense off the field more. I don't blame TL for that. I don't think our OC's had a good game plan throughout.

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Jan 15, 2020, 8:37 PM [ in reply to Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team. ]


Dabo was not happy either. He knows we lost because TL had a terrible off game. Dabo is not about to say anything about that nor is he going to make excuses. But TL knows and said he had a bad game. If we had gone into that game w/o TL, would we would have thought we would win? I think not, and that is basically what happened. And TL is the leader of the team, and he is the main reason we were there.

Had Joe Burrow had a bad game( an off night, )LSU would have lost.

. Burrow didn’t have an ‘bad game/off-night’ all season, so your point is moot. His worst game was 32/42 - 321 yds - 1TD - 1 Int - 13 rush for 31 yds/1 TD vs Auburn. That’s the only defense that held him in check all season if 321 yds can be considered in check.

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I think LSU was more successful and effective..........


Jan 15, 2020, 7:30 PM

at making adjustments to us during the game than we were to them. When it looked like we were hitting a stride on offense their defense rose to the occasion.

And their pass defense was more effective on our passing game and ours was to theirs. TL didn't have enough time to throw, especially in the 2nd half, and the receivers were closely covered. Then he started to press which didn't help anything. They gained the momentum in the 2nd half and kept the edge on us.

We missed too many 3rd and long stops by allowing passes or long runs. They're a good team - have to get their offense off the field. And then the two long TD passes they completed.

We couldn't gain control of the game and they did. I think that about sums it up.

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Jan 15, 2020, 8:21 PM

I haven't said anything about the game until now. The Tigers didn't convert on 3rd down because most were low percentage opportunites against a quality team. A sweep or outside run for a loss, a penalty here and there, good coverage or bad pass got the Tigers into a bad yardage situation resulting in more opportunities for the LSU offense. I, along with others, just don't understand why gashing the middle of the LSU defense at 5+ yards a pop stopped.

I guess there are times when adjustments are made when none are needed at the time. Plus it keeps their offense off the field.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:31 PM

We merely lost to a better team.

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On Monday night, we lost to a team that played MUCH better


Jan 15, 2020, 7:36 PM

than we did.


It happens.


It REALLY sucks.


It REALLY REALLY sucks when you invest a ton of time, energy, effort & MONEY to be there because of never knowing when it might happen again.


We had a chance at 25-28 but they took the game back & won.

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While I do think LSU had the better team THAT night...


Jan 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

...I will agree with one thing. It was indeed bizarre due to the offense looking totally disjointed. With benefit of hindsight, I could see a 42-39 type loss. We certainly left a couple of TD's on the field but couldn't stop LSU at critical times.

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Jan 15, 2020, 7:59 PM

No offense the defense gave them a ton of opportunities and they couldn't get it done.Our offense is beginning to show it's age passing schemes need a refresh. Chad Smith is too slow that's why BV used a different scheme. Our defense will be ok. Frankly our offense has 2 many 3n outs we need to scheme our receivers better that's why I say refresh its time.

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Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 15, 2020, 7:55 PM

You watched the game and still have unanswered questions as to why Clemson lost?

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Jan 15, 2020, 8:08 PM

The difference in the two championship losses was the QB. I love Trevor but this one is on him. Watson played better in the championship we lost than the one we won. If Trevor played his asss off and we just couldn't keep up with Burrow at home you would feel better but the offense didn't leave it all on the field.

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Jan 15, 2020, 8:10 PM

Of course I would feel better, but I will still have questions about Chad Smith and ETN.

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The offense looked plain dysfunctional


Jan 15, 2020, 8:20 PM

and while the defense started well, they got gashed repeatedly and looked like they'd never done a pursuit drill, ever.

Agree, it was a bad coaching display.

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Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 15, 2020, 8:24 PM

LSU was the better team. They could've won 49-25 if not for kneeling. Just accept it. You must be a delusional loser in real life if this is how you think.

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Jan 15, 2020, 8:30 PM

We got smoked . It happens.

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The better team won.. Let it go..


Jan 15, 2020, 9:21 PM

Turn the page and move on...

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Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 15, 2020, 9:28 PM

Wow, 3 pages and running, nice work.

LSU was better than Clemson Monday night. Heck, they were better than the other 14 teams they played this past year too and by a large margin. If I’m not mistaken, you guys (coots) get your shot at them in Baton Rouge in the upcoming season. My suspicion is, even without the majority of the talent and coaching they had this past year, y’all get run out of the building.

PS- your ###### is showing.

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Jan 16, 2020, 12:22 PM

The better team that night won. BUT if TL had been on we would have completed more passes, held the ball longer, and scored more. Consequently LSU would have held the ball less and scored less. There might have been a different outcome. But woulda coulda shouda arent in play. The game is over. The better team that night won. Let's move on to next season. We will be in the finals and LSU wont be.

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Jan 16, 2020, 12:35 PM

It's closer than you think.

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Re: I'm not willing to accept we merely lost to the better team.


Jan 16, 2020, 2:10 PM

LSU, Clemson, and Ohio St are all close enough to call equal. Nobody is probably more than 52% to win over the other. LSU played better for sure and deserved the win. Just Trevor playing like normal and removing the PI on 3rd and 19 makes it a close game. That one play gave them 7 points AND took a whole possession away from us.

Also, their TD going from 28 to 35 was OPI. It was 1 of 2 plays that all the refs on RefCast agreed was a missed call (the other was the LSU hand out of bounds should've been stopped for review). And they can't call OPI on Tee and not call it on Chase's first TD. That's another TD removed. So fix the really bad ref errors and it's a close game. Fix the ref errors and our abnormal bad play, and we're probably favored. On the other hand, fix Ohio St's abnormal bad plays (roughing the punter, targeting, dropped TDs) and they're probably favored.

So yeah, we didn't lose to a better team, we lost to a team that played better. Just like Syracuse in 2017 wasn't a better team, they just played better that game. Except in this case we aren't necessarily the better team either. If we played again, flip a coin. Same for Clemson/OSU or LSU/OSU.

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