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Re: Well ... so much for Global Warming this year ...
Sep 23, 2020, 4:22 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Spiders are extinct...
Sep 23, 2020, 4:25 PM
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I didn't see one today.
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Re: Well ... so much for Global Warming this year ...
Sep 23, 2020, 4:33 PM
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I guess I could get into a long winded diatribe about our jet stream is becoming destabilized and causing these polar vortexes, but it would be lost on you.
I am sure at some point you daddy pulled you aside when you where a kid and told you that if you had nothing to add to the conversation, then it is best to keep quiet.
I am offering you that advice again.
For those of you that have any actual interest in the science, here you go.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/31102018/jet-stream-climate-change-study-extreme-weather-arctic-amplification-temperature
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Re: Well ... so much for Global Warming this year ...
Sep 23, 2020, 5:00 PM
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Owning both sides of an argument is the strategy of the day. Pick a topic...any topic...and see that strategy employed to the fullest extent.
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CU Medallion [56771]
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Weather isn't climate, they like to say. Unless it's hot. Then, ZOMG!!1! **
Sep 23, 2020, 8:27 PM
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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It's called climate change. Keep up with the times.
Sep 23, 2020, 5:22 PM
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The climate is guaranteed to change.
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Legend [18006]
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As someone who is is obsessed with disease killing us all
Sep 23, 2020, 5:26 PM
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it's amazing how dismissive you are regarding climate change.
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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I'm not dismissive at all. The climate is changing.
Sep 23, 2020, 5:28 PM
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Always has. I'd be worried as hell if it didn't change.
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Legend [18006]
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right, but you're not worried about what that means
Sep 23, 2020, 5:38 PM
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especially in relation to disease.
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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Of course. You can blame everything from famine,
Sep 23, 2020, 5:46 PM
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Starvation, disease, wars...... Anything and everything on climate change. But.... Just what should we do to stabilize the climate so it doesn't change. Because that would be very weird having an unchanging climate.
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Heisman Winner [119597]
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Climate scientists in 60s/70s were predicting starvation
Sep 23, 2020, 5:50 PM
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From global cooling reeking havoc on farming
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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It's the same anticapitalists.
Sep 23, 2020, 5:53 PM
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Global cooling. Warming. Climate change. BLM. Peace. Hippies. Occupy Wall Street. MeToo. Same crowd. Whatever reason they can find they will find.
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Re: It's the same anticapitalists.
Sep 23, 2020, 6:58 PM
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You know I have gained a lot of respect for you in the past few months. I know that you are smart enough to understand that 7 Billion people digging billions of years of trapped sunlight from the earth and setting it on fire might just be be accelerating this process.
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All-In [34536]
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^^^WPOTD^^^***
Sep 23, 2020, 8:33 PM
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CU Medallion [56771]
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Thank goodness.
Sep 23, 2020, 8:40 PM
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The ocean temperature here is a little too cold for a lot of coral. Warming will make it better.
And Canadian farming. Siberian too.
Do you happen to know what the ideal temperature of the Earth really is? With all the warming and cooling over billions of years, we wouldn't have happened to just luck out and be on the ideal temperature 100 years ago, could we?
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Well, if the rate of change is accelerated
Sep 23, 2020, 5:56 PM
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due to human activity, I probably would look at strategies involving mitigation, adaptation, and engineering to deal with the threat. (Obviously this is the very concise answer to your question, but we can expand on just what might be involved in those strategies if you wish).
and even if you don't think climate change is caused or made worse by human activity, then you still should be very worried about the accelerated change we've seen in the climate and what that means regarding faminine, starvation, disease, wars and agree that we need to start dealing with it.
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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Nature will deal with us.
Sep 23, 2020, 6:05 PM
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Way I see it. Honestly with population growth as it is.... Nature will take care of long before global warming does. Not worried at all.
In fact this entirely consistent with my first post on covid in January. Said it worries me more than global warming.
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Legend [18006]
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"nature will take care of us before global warming does"
Sep 23, 2020, 6:08 PM
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wait, are you saying nature and global warming aren't the same?
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Oculus Spirit [97677]
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I'm saying we won't destroy the Earth.
Sep 23, 2020, 6:25 PM
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It will destroy us first. We're reaching that point. Global warming, cooling, climate change, we are a blip among life on Earth. And our population expansion is a hairline sliver in the scheme of life, earth, the climate, whatever. We are not going to ever have a Wall-E world. ###### movie scared the hell out of my kids. That will not happen. Covid is just a tap on the shoulder to remind us. So was. AIDS.
But for anticapitalists it's a helluva opportunity to attack.
Ever wonder why the global warming alarmists seem so prevelent in capitalist democracies. Where are THE Iranians here. The Chinese? The Russians? The DPRK? Humm..... Most populous country on Earth and they're worse than we are with the environment. It's politicized just like covid.
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Legend [18006]
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Let's not help the Earth destroy us, how about that?
Sep 23, 2020, 6:36 PM
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I just can't understand such a nihilistic approach to our existence on this Earth. Nor can I understand decrying the politicizing of climate change while also exclaiming it's all a ploy driving by the anticapitalists.
My only point(s) I want to get across to you is that whether or not you see the threat of climate change as driven by human activity, nature, or God bringing about the apocalypse that 1.)Climate Change drives many of the threats you are passionate about and 2.)There are things we can do to solve the problem if we can all agree there is a problem.
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Well, I’m about to check out because I got a rehearsal...
Sep 23, 2020, 6:15 PM
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so I can’t stay and debate and argue.
I think your post is a very good post.
As my response to the OP demonstrates, it is foolish to deny climate change. It is observable science. It is happening. Obviously we disagree on its cause.
I think we should be responsible with the earth and not pollute it. But I also believe climate change is the natural cycle of our earth existing in our universe.
I believe man, on one hand, underestimates his significance in our universe as exhibited by our hatred and mistreatment of each other. On the other hand, I believe we overestimate our power to control the universe. We really only have control over ourselves.
Of the things you mentioned, yes, I am concerned. Am I worried, no. I usually do not worry about things I have no control of...and interesting it seems I have read about famine, starvation, disease, and wars somewhere before. They may be significant. Looking around the planet at all the unrest and natural phenomena is certainly something to think about.
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Legend [18006]
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I'll post the example of the Ozone Layer Hole again here
Sep 23, 2020, 6:29 PM
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to illustrate that sometimes we undervalue/underestimate our ability to destroy but also correct our mistakes and their effects on the planet. The success we saw in dealing with the very real threat/event/scenario of the Ozone layer depletion should serve to illustrate what can happen to deal with Climate Change as well. We should not discount the ability of human ingeniuity and problem solving. We just have to get everyone to first agree there is a problem...
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Oculus Spirit [93613]
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That's just more evidence that climate is changing.
Sep 23, 2020, 6:35 PM
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I've seen climate change for 68 years now. About every 3-4 months it changes.
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Heisman Winner [111423]
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you obviously have a lot more experience here
Sep 23, 2020, 9:08 PM
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how far into the greek alphabet will we go with Atlantic storm names this year?
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CU Medallion [56771]
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what's disappointing is that 2020 likely won't surpass 2005 in
Sep 23, 2020, 9:19 PM
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either hurricanes or major hurricanes. where's the juice?
we can keep hoping for Trump's Katrina though.
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Re: what's disappointing is that 2020 likely won't surpass 2005 in
Sep 23, 2020, 9:37 PM
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We made it to Alpha in 2005, on October 22nd.
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Orange Blooded [4095]
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Grapes vines grew in Newfoundland back in days of old ...
Sep 23, 2020, 11:07 PM
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Thats why the Vikings called it "Vineland", cause it had grapes and they could make wine and grape jelly.
But then, it got cold ... and the Viking abandoned Newfoundland cause it got way too cold and the Native Americans there were kicking their buttocks
So they went back to Europe and became French (Normandy) and invaded England
Yes, the Climate Changes all the time.
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