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General comment about expanding the playoffs.
Apr 2, 2022, 2:18 PM
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I'm old enough to remember when the NCAA hoops playoff was 16 teams. I remember when the only way to get into the 16 team field was to win the ACC tournament.
Man, did that make the ACC tourney intense. In many years it could have been argued it was harder to win the ACC than to win the NCAA.
Today, sure it is meaningful to win the ACC tourney. But, the gravity of the tournament has definitely waned. Now, the ACC semis and championship are meaningful in terms of seeding. "Win and you are a 1 seed, lose and you are a 2."
If there were an 8 team football playoff the championship games tomorrow would lose an awful lot of luster. Clemson and ND fans would be thinking, "If we win we'll play ________, but if we lose we'll play _______ .
With an 8 team playoff, Ohio State would probably be in even with a losss tomorrow. So would Florida. Cincy and Coastal Carolina would both still be out.
Not saying that there is no merit to expanding the playoffs. Just saying, it definitely lessens conference titles.
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Win your conference, then you get to possibly be in the CFP.
Dec 18, 2020, 3:31 PM
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If you don't, you are subject to being left out. Four teams is PLENTY!
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Re: Genmeral comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 4:12 PM
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I can remember the ACC basketball tournament from years ago also. A number of times a team would go through the conference regular season undefeated or with just one loss and then lose the tournament and not go to the big dance. Like you said, the big dance at that time was only 16 teams, made that tournament even more important.
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Re: Genmeral comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 4:18 PM
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The playoffs also last for over a month with no break in between. Football players would literally be dying and injuries would be piling up in mass numbers if they had to run a 16 team playoff gauntlet in a month’s time
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Re: Genmeral comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 6:32 PM
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Maybe a little heavy on the dying part but for sure there's no room for any more games than the 15 it's at now. Gotta draw a line there. So either everyone loses a regular season game or we trade out the CCG's if it were to expand to 8. We are at the full edge now with 15 games, though, and that takes it near mid-January, into the Spring semester.
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Re: General comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 5:42 PM
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If you want a good example just look at what the NBA has done to destroy their league (aside from a bunch of other stuff lol). The playoffs have been expanded so many times it went from making the regular season worthless to now even the playoffs are worthless.
NFL is apparently trying to do the same thing. CFB is the only sport that has maintained an important regular season and as a result usually has huge ratings all year. I get the arguments for inclusion but too many teams is going to kill the fun of the regular season and water down the champion.
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Eight is the perfect number...
Dec 18, 2020, 5:44 PM
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... from a purely fan's perspective, and I would fight to keep it there. Three weekends. Keep the 12-game schedule, but do away with conference championship games. (Believe it or not, we managed to do OK without them pre-1992, before the SEC opened Pandora's box.) Have the New Year's six bowls -- Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Peach, Orange -- rotate the quarterfinals and semifinals yearly, with the championship game played either back at a NYS site or a non-traditional site, like, say Tampa or Santa Clara . Under that scenario, four teams would play one more game than the 50 or so teams that play in regular bowl games. Two teams -- the finalists -- would play an extra two games. Not so strenuous, IMHO. Again, from a fan's perspective, that first weekend would be awesome. Yes, there might be some blowouts, but I do believe the recruiting landscape would even out a bit if more teams had legit chances to make the playoffs, and that would lead to better competition.
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Re: Eight is the perfect number...
Dec 18, 2020, 6:09 PM
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... from a purely fan's perspective, and I would fight to keep it there. Three weekends. Keep the 12-game schedule, but do away with conference championship games. (Believe it or not, we managed to do OK without them pre-1992, before the SEC opened Pandora's box.) Have the New Year's six bowls -- Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Fiesta, Peach, Orange -- rotate the quarterfinals and semifinals yearly, with the championship game played either back at a NYS site or a non-traditional site, like, say Tampa ">"> or Santa Clara ">"> . Under that scenario, four teams would play one more game than the 50 or so teams that play in regular bowl games. Two teams -- the finalists -- would play an extra two games. Not so strenuous, IMHO. Again, from a fan's perspective, that first weekend would be awesome. Yes, there might be some blowouts, but I do believe the recruiting landscape would even out a bit if more teams had legit chances to make the playoffs, and that would lead to better competition.
Only problem I see with that is: "the 8 seed would have to pull the upset quite frequently" to start evening out the playing field. And, really then wouldn't you just be making a larger platform for more teams at the top? I.E. the same 8 teams every year? Likely, if recruits gravitate toward winners! Again folks, Clemson beat the mighty Alabama, the team so many other teams run from in 2016 with a 5 year composite class outside the top 10(12th or 14th) versus Alabama's composite ( all 5 years worth of ) #1 recruiting class! Nobody gave it to Clemson and said, "here go"! It was lessons learned on the line of scrimmage facing Spurriers teams! And, a lesson learned on National TV about the dangers of up tempo offense and how it can expose your defense. Clemson and Coach Swinney adjusted. I think so many people are clamoring for it - it will happen. But, I agree with you BretFSU, it will take away some steam of the regular season! Especially true will be those "quality loss" arguments! Perception will still ruin the day even at 8!
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Re: General comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 6:02 PM
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The playoffs should be about determining a national champion, the best team in the country. Not about giving the 5-8 teams a "fair shot" or whatever and at no time in my memory has a team in that range at the end of the season had a realistic claim to be the best team in the country, which is why expanding beyond the top 4 is a waste of time, from a determinating who is best perspective.
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Re: General comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 7:07 PM
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I agree with this. There’s no way anyone will convince me that Florida could be the best team in cfb. I could support a 6 team playoff with a bye for 1 and 2 though. Give teams like Cincy and Coastal a chance to prove themselves
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Re: General comment about expanding the playoffs.
Dec 18, 2020, 6:03 PM
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It was set at 4 teams in the playoffs, it goes for another 4 years , contracts with suppliers. Then and only then will it be set for the next 8 years.
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There never has been nor will there ever be 8 or more teams
Dec 18, 2020, 6:52 PM
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That are good enough to be included in a national title hunt. Most years finding that 4th team is a challenge. You typically have 2 or 3 that are legit elite teams, maybe a couple that are close, then after that a chasmic dropoff. By the time you get clear out to 16, youre talking 3-4 loss programs. Absurd to even consider adding teams of that ilk.
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it would be "which SEC team do we play in 1st round?"
Dec 18, 2020, 7:17 PM
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Committee's biggest task would be juggling the seeding around so SEC teams don't have to face each other in first game.
In other words: Nah, I'll pass on expansion.
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TBH - another thing I hate about More Teams is!
Dec 18, 2020, 7:26 PM
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If I am perfectly honest I have to tell you - I don't like the off chance of a big upset happening in the early rounds! And, I could imagine people are going crazy over that sentence.
But, allow me to explain in greater detail where I am coming from. If you have dominated and dismantled and kept up focus for 13 weeks or 12 weeks then why now do I have to face a team that "maybe didn't handle business early"! That didn't focus for the hole season. That is now rounding into shape and now "get the same opportunity as me"? Don't like it! I know what you are thinking and it's true - if you are the better team you will have to prove it on the field. But, could be years with more teams that "the best team doesn't win it"! Since the playoffs started - I believe the teams that should have been playing for it ended up playing for it.
The other thing about playing(with 8 games two extra games to get to the finals is - getting a key player banged up)! Now, the team you were over the course of the regular season "is not on display"! You could potentially become a lesser variation of the team that dominated. At the same time you could potentially reward a team that either slipped LATE or early as said before! That pass is what I don't like - because AND ALL OF YOU IF YOU ARE NOT CLOSET SEC FANS SHOULD KNOW - who will get that late pass for a slip up versus who won't(SEC will. The ACC teams won't).
Then too, if your rep as a program is good enough - you could possibly lose multiple games - as long as you are playing well "late in the season"! Do they all of a sudden deserve to get in? Is this consistent with how college football has done historically? Remember - many of the southern teams don't have championships from "back in the day" because all your major press was heavily in the northern states. They simply "voted on the champion"! There wasn't even bowl games for a long time.
Was that fair? No. The BCS kept out some outstanding teams - but most of the time you couldn't argue with who was in the championship game! "Most Of The Time". College football has always had a certain amount of subjectivity in other words in crowning it's champion -- adding two more teams to play for it is as far as it needs to go! For various reasons. For me - the potential to reward lack of focus is too great! Winning is hard. If you do it without defeat for the entire regular season you deserve a break; from any Johnny come lately teams!
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I like 6. 1 & 2 bye. 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5 before Xmas.
Dec 18, 2020, 7:44 PM
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It’s different but gets those borderline teams in.
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