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Topic: So Watson threatening to take his ball and go
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So Watson threatening to take his ball and go

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:21 PM
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Home. Not a good look, That and Hopkins not representing Clemson too well. How bout shut up and play.

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In Deshaun’s defense

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:24 PM
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they traded his favorite wide receiver (Hopkins) without even telling him first.

Then they asked him to be involved in the search for a new coach, then after giving his opinion they marginalized his involvement.

He isn’t exactly being given the respect I feel he deserves in his role as star QB and team leader.

I agree, it’s best not to take complaints to the public arena, and I wish he wouldn’t do it. But I do understand his frustration.

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Re: In Deshaun’s defense

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:32 PM
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He should never have signed a new contract. He would be in an awesome position if he had of waited for his initial contract to expire

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Re: In Deshaun’s defense

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 10:11 AM
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Not really. After the Texans pick up his 5th year option then franchise tag him twice he's looking at being on the market two years earlier with significantly less money in his pocket. The guaranteed money is always the right call. This is a job after all.

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 11:25 AM
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Call me a snob but I just cant value the opinion of people who dont understand the difference between "of" and "have"

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Nuk was not his favorite WR, Fuller V is***

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:37 PM
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Re: Nuk was not his favorite WR, Fuller V is***

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Looking at catches and targets says Nuk was.

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Favorite doesn't mean number 1 option, Nuk is a target hole,

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:58 PM
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look at how he responded when they actually traded Nuk to how he responded when rumors circulated that they were shopping Fuller V...Watson was reported as being a 2 on a scale of 1-10 when they traded Nuk,and being at 10 today

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:00 PM
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926203-report-deshaun-watsons-anger-level-at-2-after-deandre-hopkins-trade-now-a-10


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Losing Fuller hurts more.


Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 6:30 PM
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After losing hopkins, he still had Fuller. After losing Fuller, there is no talent left.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 8:00 PM
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I mean, who else is left? Somebody had to catch the balls.

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 1:19 AM
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Hopkins>Fuller>Cooks.

Looking long term, Cooks isn't enough. Still need 2 outside receivers.

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Cooks and Fuller both have extensive injury histories


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 9:27 AM
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(Fuller in particular). You would NOT want to go into a season with either of them as the only legit weapon at WR.

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Which leads me to my point.


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 5:56 PM
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There is no denying Hopkins was the best talent. If he gets traded, You're going to be upset.

However...

When were rumors of trading away your 2nd best receiver (Fuller) now, don't have any 1st round picks for 2020 or 2021, or 2nd round picks for 2020 and the 2 players brought in are both 5"10 on good days (and one is old and was only good for 400 yards this year), you can see DW got heated when the idea of shopping Fuller, the only real talent left on the roster.

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Cooks has five 1,000 yard seasons in 7 years, I'd say that's


Posted: Jan 13, 2021, 11:13 PM
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pretty productive

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And fuller is a free agent that is shopping the market.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:45 PM
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I'm sure he and Deshaun had some discussions and my guess is he's gone too.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 6:27 PM
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cool opinion, bro.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:52 PM
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Never heard of a player suggesting who to hire as a coach but I guess it happens more than I thought. I agree, he has not been treated very well. Got rid of their best wide receiver and received little from the trade. Lack of good offensive lineman will get him injured. With that said, can he just do what he wants being under contract ?

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If I was lucky enough to land that kind of contract

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:23 PM
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I wouldn’t care one way or another....

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Re: So Watson threatening to take his ball and go

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:30 PM
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I believe Watson has a legit stance here. He has begged for leadership. Playing for Clemson showed him how a program with excellent leadership and vision breeds success. He is not seeing that or getting that at Houston. They are just telling him things to make
Him happy then turning around and doing the opposite. It’s clear they don’t respect him or other players in the org. Why would anyone be happy with that working environment. $100million or not you have to be happy with your job to be happy.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:00 PM
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$100 million could buy off a lot of unhappiness.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:37 PM
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Nobody can leave a job if they’re not happy?

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Kidding me!? You’re a clown!! ??

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Re: So Watson threatening to take his ball and go

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:43 PM
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How about he NOT sacrifice his prime years to an organization that can't manage its way out of a clogged toilet? One that will undoubtedly shorten his career as he continues to take a brutal pounding.

This ain't college ball we're talking about. It's BUSINESS. And DeShaun works for Watson Industries. He's just sub-contracted to the Texans for the next few years - regrettably. If he can get traded to another team that has a clue and a shot - more power to him.

\\If he somehow landed at the Raiders, that sure would be fun!

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With Watson its now or never. They got rid of his only

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:44 PM
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weapons in Nuk and soon to be Fuller. After than he's stuck with a smattering of has beens and practice squad guys. He's 24 and still has about 5-8 good years left in the tank. Why not make a move to get on a life raft when the boat is sinking? I trust his judgement. Maybe not so much Nuks but Deshaun has a good head on his shoulders.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 5:17 PM
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i;ll give you Cooks. not so keen on Fells being a go-to TE.


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 7:44 AM
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only problem with Cooks is i see him as a complement guy. Being such a small target i can't feel good about putting him at the WR1 and expecting too much.

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Re: So Watson threatening to take his ball and go

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:49 PM
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I will never question DW4. What he did at Clemson, and how he carries himself as a tiger was extraordinary. But hopefully he is making his decision on something like this off of the right reason. To throw out Miami of all places feels very vacation like. He has the new girl friend and every pic they post is somewhere tropical or on a boat.

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I haven't heard what Watson is threatening to do***

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 12:53 PM
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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Reports are he is unhappy with how the team handled the gm search. The owner met with him and apparently didnt interview who deshaun requested. He hires someone they didn’t speak about.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 2:56 PM
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Where's the threat in that?

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They basically told him his opinion mattered but didn't


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 12:59 PM
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back it up. It was all just lip service. If he asks that you interview a guy (because you ask him who they should interview) then interview the guy to check the box. Don't act like he has legit say and not put forth the effort to make good on that promise. Deshaun is too nice of a guy and i think this is his way of punching back and making sure they know he's not going to be a pushover anymore.

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Got to side with DW4. Promoting Bill O’Brien to both GM

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:16 PM
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and coach, then firing within a year indicates poor ownership and management.

I think Nuk and DeShaun are fine representatives of Clemson.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:23 PM
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There is a partner ship between the QB & the franchise

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:30 PM
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The franchise has been a disaster and of late have repeatedly failed to live up to promises made to Watson. He is not demanding a trade. He is saying, publicly - so the Dolphins know, that he would be willing to waive his no-trade clause for a trade with the Dolphins.

This allows the Dolphins and the Texans management to discuss a trade that might be mutually beneficial to both teams.

I, for one, hope that Watson can go to a franchise that has proven itself capable of competing for the playoffs. And the Texans have shown that they are NOT that franchise. Go DW4 !!

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 7:55 PM
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there, they wouldn't have gone this season even if he had stayed, but to say they don't go to the playoffs is utterly false...This is the first full season Watson has played that they actually missed the playoffs...and they went 2 years in a row before that

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This is also the worst shape the team has been in


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 9:30 AM
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since Watson arrived. They have quite a rebuild on their hands right now, and not many assets to do it with.

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When you're cashing those big checks


Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 1:50 PM
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you've sold your right to gripe IMO.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 2:08 PM
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Nope, he’s their biggest piece of the pie $ wise & value wise. He is very smart & can trade a little money value for happiness & his long term health & ability to earn an income.
Deshaun is the type of player that would be happy making a 100k because of where he came from if that was a fair price. He wants to be happy & healthy.

Theirs no loyalty on either side in the NFL, every player is a contractual worker.

If I was Miami, I’d have Tua out quickly for Deshaun really fast. Please.

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 11:15 AM
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I bet his agent didn't tell the Texas he'd take 100 grand.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 2:13 PM
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For Deshaun, getting out of Texas is about being able to walk when he is 35 years old. They don't have a O-lineman that would start for any other NFL team. He has been sacked more than any QB in the league. And yet has kept his team in each game without any help on offense or having a defense.

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Come on. The guys on the other side are billionaires


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 9:33 AM
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And you're kidding yourself if you think they got there by playing nice.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 2:05 PM
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It's a business. He can do what he wants.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 2:06 PM
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Exactly he’s literally the player and doesn’t have authority to approve trades and hires. I swear at a regular job he would be put in his place.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 2:13 PM
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Here’s the deal, he has enough value right now he can influence his destiny.

Would you want to keep taking the hits he is when you could be protected, win & make money for a long time.

He’s the hardest worker on the team & the best player. Worst case they keep him, best case they release him, trade him.

This isn’t making tacos....

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 3:28 PM
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How bout the Texans field a team worth a dang. They suck and thanks to mismanagement he does not have good WR. Why don't you get hit week after week after week by defensive linemen?

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 3:29 PM
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Why don't you shut up and go to another team. There is nothing wrong with wanting to play for an organization that is competent. Many people in the media think Watson should leave. They both play very well.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 3:35 PM
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He's the franchise player, he asked to be treated like an adult, they failed to keep their word. I am totally behind what he's doing. Hope he goes to a good team. O'Brian ruined the team.

His play, and his representation of the franchise has earned hime the right to be treated respectfully, he wasn't. Hope he leaves.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 3:47 PM
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I don’t understand why he signed a contract extension. Houston hasn’t made the best moves over the time he’s been there. He could have waited and hit FA and made even more money on top of that he’d get to choose his new home. Hopefully it’ll all get worked out before it get too nasty.

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You would have to ask him and his agent that question


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 9:38 AM
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but i do know that it's unheard of for a QB of his stature to hit the FA market after their rookie deal is up. It never happens, they always extend. There's probably a financial reason for that.

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My guess is they promised even then that his opinion matterd


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 1:02 PM
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going further. And this was just another example of how "some things never change."

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 2:31 PM
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If he hadn't signed the contract, he would have been hit with the franchise tag for a couple of years. That would have put him on an annual contract still stuck in Houston for 3 more years.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 5:26 PM
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Watson is an employee even if is one of the highest paid in the league.

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 6:03 PM
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Fins Up!

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Posted: Jan 10, 2021, 7:34 PM
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The only part of an NFL contract that is guaranteed is the signing bonus. If he were to not perform they would kick him to the curb. The organization is not performing. Their management is clueless they haven't had a real gm for over a year. Obrien couldn't figure out how to get along with one of the top 2 receivers in the league and traded him away for a used up running back with no value. Personalities aside, he should have figured out a way to make that work or held out for a better trade. He overpaid for Tunsil and screwed up the drafts for the foreseeable future.

I do question why Watson signed a new contract but the fact is that NFL contracts are heavily skewed in favor of the organization. If he wants to try and force a trade that is his right and I think he is justified. I'm sure they sold him on some pie in the sky plan about how they were going to build the team but Obrien made that very difficult for the foreseeable future. Then they told him he and the players would have some input in the hiring and they did not.

They just seem to want to try and be New England south, but it remains to be seen whether the New England model is going to work well without Tom Brady. The Texans have been trying to get away with using cast off scrub receivers just like the Patriots did with Brady. But unlike New England during their run of success they have a garbage defense. Their defensive backs suck. They let DJ reader leave. It goes on and on. The management is horrid.

I say he should get out while he can. It would probably be the best move for the Texans too. They might actually be able to improve if they traded him and got some draft picks. As things stand they are not going to be able to improve for a while.

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 1:50 AM
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How bout you shut your mouth and quit being whiney. Both those men are professionals and know much better than you the circumstances that they need. They are representing themselves and Clemson just fine.

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I guess these guys have problems that us peasants would never understand.


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 8:12 AM
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I have a hard time getting past my thought that I’d be cool getting paid tens of millions $$$ to throw a football.

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Keep in mind that the owners are even bigger fish


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 1:01 PM
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The players are all millionaires, but NFL owners are billionaires... some of the wealthiest men in the country or even the world. Don't feel sorry for them.

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And You Have Never Told an Employer Things Need to Change?

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Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 9:10 AM
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or you may go elsewhere.

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The difference here is that the employee can be replaced.


Posted: Jan 11, 2021, 12:27 PM
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How long will it take to replace someone as talented as Watson?

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I would love to see that ball in Atlanta!!


Posted: Jan 13, 2021, 11:15 PM
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Come home to GA

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