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Seeing lots of opinions and articles claiming the CFP
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Seeing lots of opinions and articles claiming the CFP


Dec 20, 2020, 4:56 PM

playoff is ruining the sport. Most of the complaints are that the same Power 5 teams are in the top 4 every year and that the Group of 5 have no chance. Take this most recent article for example:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30563882/college-football-playoff-2020-committee-remains-disappointingly-predictable



The one thing I have yet to see any of these articles or discussions refute is that the CFP National Championship playoff system has, in fact, resulted in identifying the best College Football Team in the country. Regardless of what the "UCF" self declared National Champions think, the winner of the CFP playoff has been the best team in the land since this system went into effect. That is what the CFP was designed to produce and it is working way better than the BCS ever did.

Having said that, I'm all in favor of expanding the playoff system to an 8 team playoff with at least one guaranteed spot to the highest ranked Group of 5 team. But until that happens, folks should stop with their belly aching over Alabama and Clemson being perennial playoff teams - these teams ARE the best in the country and they have proven it on the field time and time again. The last thing we need is to turn the CFP top 4 into a social promotion based system because some sports writers are tired of seeing some of the same teams in it to win it every year.

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Re: Seeing lots of opinions and articles claiming the CFP


Dec 20, 2020, 5:01 PM

Sounds like snowflakes wanting it to be more "fair" so everyone gets a chance to play for the championship. Too bad, sports, mostly is about all we have left that doesn't require us to put someone in it to make them feel goo or help their self esteem ..... except female kickers.

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Re: Seeing lots of opinions and articles claiming the CFP


Dec 20, 2020, 5:02 PM

rewarding excellence is never popular with the candy behind everybody gets a trophy crowd

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If you wanna be the man you gotta beat the man.


Dec 20, 2020, 5:04 PM

While some G5 programs may not get that opportunity as often due to scheduling in any particular year, everybody else can stuff it with that talk.

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Re: If you wanna be the man you gotta beat the man.


Dec 20, 2020, 5:14 PM

The culture today does everything it can to neuter "the man" at every opportunity

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florida state product?


Dec 20, 2020, 5:08 PM

Didn't she go to florida state?

Would she write this lame article if her team was in it every year like Clemson and alabama are?

Probably not.

She likes participation trophies.

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Re: florida state product?


Dec 20, 2020, 10:12 PM

And Florida State can’t even lay claim to a participation trophy in 2020.

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The CFP is a sham. A Farce. A Joke. How many more ways


Dec 20, 2020, 6:35 PM

can it be said? I wouldn't say it's ruining the sport, but now it's not much if any better than the BCS or the polls it replaced. And saying that it has given us the best teams time and time again misses the point, while sort of making it at the same time. Define "BEST". Is that the team that would beat most other teams more than most other teams would beat them? Or is that the team that wins a particular game on a given day or night? I don't think we should be trying to figure out the "best" team, I think we should be trying to crown a CHAMPION as determined through elimination on the field. A "champion" is concrete, tangible, and unquestionable. "Best" is always fluid, debatable, gray. For instance, the champion may or may not be the best. We can know for certain, however, who the champion is. I don't know that the CFP has legitimately given us either. Not as legitimate as it should be, at least.

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We are spoiled by college basketball having such a great tournament


Dec 20, 2020, 9:42 PM

that allows 64 teams a chance to play for a national title every year. It’s fair, exciting, and leaves no doubt who deserves to be crowned champion.

We won’t ever see that in football, mostly because football doesn’t play as many games and can’t be bothered to play a game more often than once a week.

I don’t really want to see the regular season shortened to allow for the playoffs to be expanded. I still like the idea of having the regular season mean something.

Besides, I don't think an expanded playoff will change who ultimately wins. Do you really think A&M or Cincinnati can hang with Alabama or Clemson this year? It seems pretty clear the answer is no.

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Re: We are spoiled by college basketball having such a great tournament


Dec 20, 2020, 11:14 PM

Absolutely right. Even an eight team play-off starts to erode the value of regular season games. As it stands now, just about every week is a play-off game as one and certainly two losses take you out of contention. I don't like anything about pro football, so their play-off to me is neither here nor there, although I think it usually determines the best team.

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Re: We are spoiled by college basketball having such a great tournament


Dec 20, 2020, 11:39 PM [ in reply to We are spoiled by college basketball having such a great tournament ]

That’s total BS! These people don’t know history and they don’t understand football and how it’s significantly different than all other team sports. And of course a lot of this has to do with the current times where everything is supposed to be about fairness and participation trophies! Where people think they have earned the right to be in the playoffs or deserve to be in the playoffs even when everybody knows they have no chance to win it because they are that good!

It’s this kind of BS logic that took us from 16 to 32 to 64 and guess what? The same teams pretty much end up in the final four every year despite basketball being much easier to be good at than football.

The regular season has never been that important in basketball or baseball or soccer or any other team sport because they play so many games those sports are geared towards the playoffs.

The NBA has half their teams make it to the playoffs. Yet everybody knows there’s only about three maybe four teams that have a chance of winning the championship every year. And throughout the history of the NBA there have always been at any given time only a few teams and had a chance of winning the championship.

Everything about the NFL from the 53 man roster, to the salary cap, to having the worst team pick first in the draft, is geared towards parity. Yet we all know every year that there are only a few teams that have a realistic chance of winning the Super Bowl.

And if you want further proof look at women’s sports. You see dynasties everywhere despite the fact that there are a ton of teams in the women’s soccer tournament the women’s basketball tournament etc. the same two or three teams are there every year at the end! Look at how UNC dominated women’s soccer which is now dominated by Florida State. The way Tennessee dominated basketball until UConn came along now it is South Carolina.

Nothing has changed there’s just more focus on it now because of the Internet, social media, cable TV, and the stakes are higher because there’s so much more money!

The current playoff is far superior to the BCS and infinitely better than the way the old bowl system.

Back in the day before the BCS everyone knew there were only one or two teams that were going to win the national championship going into the bowl games on New Year’s Day.

If anything this year proves that more times than not there are usually only two maybe three teams that are truly great in any given year. This year Clemson and Alabama are clearly better than everybody else. Most years the semifinal games are blowouts.


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Re: The CFP is a sham. A Farce. A Joke. How many more ways


Dec 20, 2020, 10:17 PM [ in reply to The CFP is a sham. A Farce. A Joke. How many more ways ]

You, sir, have hit the nail on the head. There should be no committee. The FBS Division is the only level of football from Pop Warner all the way to the NFL that doesn’t have playoff teams placed because of what played out on the field. It’s as much about placing teams that draw viewership (money in advertising)as it is crowning a national champion. Maybe the viewership part is even more important. We need an expanded playoff with some actual set guidelines (conference championship for one) in place to create a champion. The conference bias needs to go away, too.

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Andrea Adelson is just a disgruntled Florida alum.


Dec 20, 2020, 9:25 PM

https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrea-adelson-1456a278/

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Didn’t read the article but the G5 have never had a chance.


Dec 20, 2020, 9:28 PM

The playoff didn’t create that situation.

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Re: Didn’t read the article but the G5 have never had a chance.


Dec 20, 2020, 9:30 PM

Yea, they were always in the mix during the BCS era and before right?

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Easy to fix. 5 conference champs plus 3 at large.


Dec 20, 2020, 9:30 PM

If you cannot win your conference don't ##### about not getting selected at large....

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I think college football should create a separate division for power 5


Dec 20, 2020, 9:34 PM

so that the group of five teams can have their own playoff and national championship.

Aside from that, everyone in the power 5 has the same opportunity to play for a national championship each year. Every team starts 0-0, and has some leeway over who it plays every year and how it performs against their schedule.

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Re: I think college football should create a separate division for power 5


Dec 21, 2020, 12:10 AM

They already have a division, it’s called the FCS. The problem is not power 5 conferences or the playoff. Duke and Wake Forest and Vanderbilt are examples of power five teams that should drop down to the FCS. The group of five teams should drop down to the FCS. We don’t need to create another division of football for these teams that are moving up from the FCS and not being competitive with the big teams in the power five conferences. I think some of these teams, schools, don’t even try and be competitive. Duke wants the football money for their basketball program. Any school not truly committed to doing what it takes and supporting their program to win championships should drop down to the FCS.


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Sick of people wanting everything given to them


Dec 20, 2020, 10:03 PM

or being above the rules.

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Legitimate argument until


Dec 20, 2020, 10:09 PM

The one glaring flaw, The teams each year they’re whining about are the same teams Every year with the top recruiting classes. They are the best and there is little doubt about it.

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Re: Legitimate argument until


Dec 21, 2020, 12:00 AM

Yes and no. Clemson didn’t have a top-five recruiting class till last year. We have be en dominant despite our recruiting under Dabo averaging 9th or 10th until last years class.

LSU has a top-five recruiting class every year. Look at where they are this year. That championship team was built on transfer portal players.

Ohio State has a top-five recruiting class every year. Their quarterback and running back both got there by way of the transfer portal.

Georgia out recruits us pretty much every year. Until the last year or two Florida State and Miami had more talent than Clemson every year.

It’s about coaching. The best coaches build the best programs that are consistent. You can have all the talent in the world but if you’re a crappy coach you’re not gonna win.

Look at what happened to Florida state after Bobby Bowden got old and all his assistants became head coaches at other teams. Same in Miami.

Not only that 24/7 and I think ESPN as well have for many years and they were gone back and reevaluated recruiting classes 4 years later. Clemson‘s recruiting classes are consistently rated higher four and five years later while other programs consistently have theirs downgraded. Because it’s not just about bringing in five and four star recruits. You have to develop those players. And you have to have good schemes and in game coaching.

Look at Nolan Turner. That kid only had one other scholarship offer and that was to Sanford. Hunter Renfrow was a walk on. Clemson evaluates and develops talent better than anybody! We are dominating teams that have better talent top to bottom and we are the equal to Alabama which has far more talent than anybody else. Because it’s all about coaching!


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To Be The Man You Gotta Beat The Man***


Dec 20, 2020, 11:58 PM

NM

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Thing is every system develops a stretch were a select group is regularly in contention


Dec 21, 2020, 12:03 AM

currently its been us and Bama, with OU & OSU having always been in discussion by the final ranking along w/ another SEC team.

In the 2000s, OU, OSU, USC, & someone from the SEC were the teams that were always either there or in discussion by season's end.

In the 90s, was Nebraska, FSU, and/or a SEC team always there in discussion by season's end.

The 80s? Miami, ND, PSU, & a Big 8 team

70s? Bama, ND, USC, & a Big 8 team (OU/Neb), with either Michigam or OSU hanging around in the leadup to bowl games.

60s? Alabama, SWC (Texas/Arkansas), ND, & Big Ten (OSU/MSU)

Every system, every decade, there's always that select group that either in competition or hanging around for what feels like forever. People want it to be about parity when its about determining who's the best team. I think it'll eventually expand to 6 or 8 b/c of that fuss for parity (especially in the case of the G5 being left out). For the P5, the parity comes when someone gets sick enough of being 2nd fiddle & starts beating the ones that are regularly holding that contender spot.

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