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Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?
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Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 5:29 PM

If so, try this... Go to work tomorrow and make a political protest (while you are on the clock, in company uniform and on company property). Do it in such a way as to garner national attention on your employer. Also, do it in a manner that is controversial to the majority of the consumers of your employer's products or services. See how long your right to "free" speech allows you to keep your job. The lesson that you will quickly learn is: protest on your own time. But even that doesn't make you safe. Just look at how many people have lost their jobs because of something they posted on twitter or facebook.

So let me express some free speech of my own... I don't care where you were born, or whether you are a natural citizen, naturalized citizen, permanent resident, illegal immigrant, or visitor - if you are not loyal to the United States of America, pledge your allegiance to it, honor it's flag, offices and institutions, then GTFO! The USA is a free country. Unlike many other countries, as long as you haven't committed major crimes, you are FREE to LEAVE.

You don't have to agree with everything, and you probably shouldn't. You are free to protest. Many good men have died to allow you the luxury of exercising that right. But when your protests become anti "American", you become the enemy of the state, and the people. You foolishly protest the institution that allows you to protest without fear of imprisonment or execution in the first place.

Kaepernick was foolish. Nike need not try to make a hero out of him. Bad Nike.

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i think Kaepernick is an ignorant follower.. but


Sep 4, 2018, 5:44 PM

the NFL isn't the same as most joe schmoe jobs

i dont think you understand what it is to be an american. Kneeling during the national anthem is not treason, your'e not an enemy of the state. dang dude.

this whole situation has just become a big marketing scheme.

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So the first amendment doesn't apply here for you?


Sep 4, 2018, 5:47 PM

okay, got it.

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Re: So the first amendment doesn't apply here for you?


Sep 4, 2018, 6:15 PM

1st Amendment gives you freedom of speech, not freedom from repercussions of use of same.

Nike is learning a little of that lesson now.

You can try to spin it any way you want, but when you kneel during the Anthem, you are de facto physically disrespecting the hard won symbol of our freedom. You can claim that you are protesting something else all you want, but there it is. Don't be obstinate and stupid, find another way.

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So what other way


Sep 4, 2018, 6:40 PM

would be just as polarizing, yet serve it's meaning without offending at least somebody?

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Re: So what other way


Sep 4, 2018, 7:00 PM

If I even remember that far back, the original reason for this misguided protest was targeting selective police brutality, or Black Lives Matter.

So, if you are protesting the police, do it in a major city, outside the largest police station. Legally, of course, otherwise they would be only too happy to escort you inside and provide paid lodging.

Now, I am SURE that you will come back and say that this would not have had the impact of the original protest. And, you would be right. The original protest has resulted in much more jaw jacking, and bandwagon protesters, and has not accomplished one constructive thing towards solving the original problem, at least not that has made the news. All it has done is cause more division.

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Then I guess everyone should be happy with the


Sep 4, 2018, 7:15 PM

current state of of affairs. Sounds like you have it all figured out.

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And, how do you explain former & current military


Sep 4, 2018, 6:42 PM [ in reply to Re: So the first amendment doesn't apply here for you? ]

that side w/ Kaepernick?

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I don't have to explain any of it. Ain't free speech grand?


Sep 4, 2018, 6:53 PM

:)

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Re: I don't have to explain any of it. Ain't free speech grand?


Sep 4, 2018, 7:16 PM

C'mon. You have all of it figured out. Surely they must be brain washed or something...

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Re: And, how do you explain former & current military


Sep 4, 2018, 9:26 PM [ in reply to And, how do you explain former & current military ]

Picked a hell of a topic for a first time post. Some background: 2011 Clemson grad and proud Clemson cadet and current service member (and a diehard Clemson football fanatic). I'm not a constitutional scholar nor do I claim to be. However, I do understand that the constitution protects and provides the freedom of speech and protest to all Americans that it governs. Private companies and industries also have the right to sanction that behavior if they deem it to be detrimental behavior to their business. The NFL has taken the stand to not televise the National Anthem any longer. That is their prerogative to do so. The Dallas Cowboys have mandated that all their players will stand during the anthem, once again also their prerogative to do so. You are all right in saying that decisions and actions have consequences. Private businesses hold employees accountable for their speech constantly. Braylon Edwards for example was suspended by The Big 10 Network yesterday for social media outburts over his Michigan Wolverines performance. Long story short, a truly free country, as protected by our American constitution, allows for all means of peaceful protest and language. The protests and outbursts are not always free of consequence nor are they agreeable to all Americans sensibilities. However, speaking out against, and protesting against (to include kneeling) what you believe to be an improper action is one of the most American acts that you can undertake. Our founding fathers raised all kinds of hell protesting and yelling to form this great nation. Do I agree with the kneeling in front of the flag? Absolutely not. But it also means that his and every other players freedom to do so is still intact. That means we've done our job.

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Re: And, how do you explain former & current military


Sep 4, 2018, 10:52 PM

To clarify what he said earlier..... freedom of speech only guarantees you will not be persecuted by the government. It’s does not guarantee you won’t be held accountable in some ways by others.nike is rewarding him..... appearsconsumers will punish Nike to some degree...

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Sep 4, 2018, 6:26 PM [ in reply to So the first amendment doesn't apply here for you? ]



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You do know that Adidas and Puma etc tried to sign Kaepernick too, right?


Sep 4, 2018, 5:48 PM

So it sounds like everyone should burn most of their sports apparel or stop buying most of them if that’s your preferred method of “making a stand”

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everyone wanted to hire the hero huh


Sep 4, 2018, 6:22 PM

etc

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 5:53 PM

I plan to get a job at Nike, and while on the job, film a Youtube video protesting Nike hiring slave labor in Asia. If they fire me, then I will file a lawsuit as I will be following in the steps of their new spokesperson. If they hired him, then they cannot fire me for doing what he does.

Thanks Nike, you hypocritical turds.

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everything about the US isn't free, moral or just


Sep 4, 2018, 5:55 PM

when we stop working to change anything that is not free, moral or just in what is propagandized to be a free, moral and just society, then, you end up with so much of what we see in the country today as well as in countries that do not operate as a republic or ascribe to the ideals of democracy. See Afghanistan, Syria, the Czech Republic or Cuba for examples...


you don't have to agree with Kaepernick about how he chose to make his stand, but do not ignore his stated reason for his stand... that is the unfortunate issue unless you do not believe that institutionalized marginalization still exists in this country...

anti-American is a matter of opinion, and be mindful that not protesting injustice just might allow you to end up in the cross-hairs of execution by apathy, ignorance of the move in societal norms and inaction... nazi germany is an example of this

kaepernick protested on the job, and the job rejected his protest and effectively ended his employment, so, what is your point to that? did he not meet the consequence that your reference?

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The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 6:34 PM

Simply look the FACTS up yourself!!

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 6:41 PM

As it has for the last three years, the Washington Post dedicated a team of data collectors and writers to focus on the issue of fatal shootings by police, producing a long story earlier this month headlined: “Nationwide, police shot and killed nearly 1,000 people in 2017.” The exact number of such deaths the Post counted was 987.

But rather than supplying any balance or meaningful context to an important topic, the flawed story takes the reader just where discerning people might expect – to the discredited myth that racist police are targeting and gunning down unarmed black men and boys for no reason other than the color of their skin.

By the third paragraph, the Post moves its focus to race, stating: “While many of the year-to-year patterns remain consistent, the number of unarmed black males killed in 2017 declined from two years ago. Last year, police killed 19, a figure tracking closely with the 17 killed in 2016. In 2015, police shot and killed 36 unarmed black males.”

Wait a minute. Note that while the issue of unarmed black males being shot by police drew enormous news coverage last year – enough to make the average person think there was a massive wave of such shootings – according to the Post’s own tally only 2 percent of those who died as a result of police shootings were unarmed black men and boys.

Yet four paragraphs later, the Post story blows the poisonous dog-whistle of race – even though 98 percent of people shot by police last year were not unarmed black males.

The Post story states: “National scrutiny of shootings by police began after an unarmed black teenager from a suburb of St. Louis was fatally shot by a white police officer in August 2014. The death of 18-year-old Michael Brown sparked widespread protests, prompted a White House commission to call for reforms, galvanized the Black Lives Matter movement and led many police agencies across the nation to examine their use of deadly force.”

What the Post states, as far as it goes, is true. But writers of the Post article know – or certainly should know by now – that a Justice Department report cleared Police Officer Darren Wilson of Ferguson, Missouri of any wrongdoing for his shooting of Brown. The report states: “Not only do eyewitnesses and physical evidence corroborate Wilson’s account, but there is no credible evidence to disprove Wilson’s perception that Brown posed a threat to Wilson as Brown advanced toward him.”

Simply stated, Michael Brown was no martyr for “police brutality.” Brown was a thug and a thief. He stole a pack of $50 cigarillos from a convenience store, menaced the shopkeeper and shoved him out of the way. Brown then walked a few blocks and attacked Wilson, a uniformed police officer sitting in his marked police SUV, and tried to grab Wilson’s gun.

Do that in any city in the world – no matter what your race or ethnicity – and you put yourself in immediate risk of deadly force being used against you. Police are not required to allow anyone to grab their guns and kill them.

And, getting back to the Post article, it appears as though somewhere near three-quarters of the 987 people who were fatally shot by police last year posed a grave threat to police and others because they were armed with their own knife or a gun.

Put the Post’s numbers in perspective, because the paper chose not to do so.

According to the FBI’s “Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted” data collection, in 2016 law enforcement agencies that filed reports tallied 57,180 officers assaulted in the line of duty.

That number only represents data from 12,421 law enforcement agencies – about 70 percent of the 18,000 agencies in the country. So a more realistic estimate of assaults on police last year would be roughly 75,000.

So when you think about shooting by police, remember that each year thousands of cops are feloniously assaulted and injured by dangerous attackers. And despite the danger, and their annual face-to-face contacts with tens of millions of us, police fatally shot only 987 people last year – a tiny fraction of 1 percent of those who assaulted the cops.

What’s truly remarkable is that thousands more people weren’t killed as they assaulted police with the intent to seriously injure – or in some cases with the intent to kill – the law enforcement officers.

So the Post story should not be focused on police excess. It should be focused on the remarkable degree of restraint exercised by police.

No police officer in his or her right mind sets out to kill anyone – and no officer finds the experience enjoyable or thrilling. It is a nightmare they all want to avoid.

Certainly, police shootings must be thoroughly and fairly investigated. And in the rare cases where police are have acted unlawfully they should face prosecution.

But in the overwhelming majority of police shootings, officers are acting to protect themselves or others from the prospect of imminent death or injury. Race plays no part in the decision to reluctantly shoot when there is no other alternative.

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 7:14 PM

This is an idiotic post. Police officers sign up to be put in the line of fire. To serve and protect. "Just" 19 unarmed black men were shot or "Just" 16. These are people living their life and are just being shot, with no weapon or no threat.

You cite the one story of Michael Brown who tried to reach for an officers gun. What you fail to mention is that he shot him in the hand, then tracked him down and shot him 4 more times in the front of his body while he was unarmed. That isn't the 'restraint' you're preaching. That is in fact reckless. Then you dont mention any of the other situations, so you cherry picked the one that half way supports your narrative and then abandon it half way through.

I'm sure you'll be happy when we become a military state.

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 8:25 PM

"On March 4, 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice reported the conclusion of its own investigation and cleared Wilson of civil rights violations in the shooting. It found forensic evidence supported the officer's account, that witnesses who corroborated the officer's account were credible, and that witnesses who had incriminated him were not credible, with some admitting they had not directly seen the events."

FYI, that was the Obama DOJ!!!

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 8:47 PM [ in reply to Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!! ]

Your libs and Obama want us to be a police state wake the f up. How about all the black on black shooting in Chicago??? Their killing kids in the streets but you choose to ignore

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 10:44 PM

That's irrelevant to cops shooting unarmed black men.

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 8:55 PM [ in reply to Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!! ]

Please, inform us all on how you could “fix” the problem you say we have with cops. Just give me one Law that should be passed, that would be fare and just to All in America. Tell us how you will police racism without YOUR side turning us into a police state. Your post was the most moronic of any I have ever read.

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 10:45 PM

How about, if you shoot an unarmed person in a situation where you panicked and failed your training, you lose your job. Like every other industry. Instead they are given a paid vacation.

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Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!!


Sep 4, 2018, 10:47 PM [ in reply to Re: The issue is the "protests" are based on a false narrative!! ]

LemonTiger said:

Tell us how you will police racism without YOUR side turning us into a police state. Your post was the most moronic of any I have ever read.



You have no idea what side i'm on. You assume because i'm for human rights i'm on a side. Gotta love how the country is party over its people and party over country. Apparently i need an affiliation to not want unarmed people shot down in the streets. I love your mental gymnastics.

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lol


Sep 4, 2018, 6:10 PM

You people are ridiculous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZZqDJXOVg

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yep - lol


Sep 4, 2018, 10:51 PM

they certainly are indeed. ridiculous was too kind, btw.

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 6:27 PM

POTD.........you are 100% correct my friend.........yes this country will always have some issues which we can do better but it is STILL the best place to live in this world.........why do you think there are only about 6 billion people around the world who are trying to get in and would love to live here.......so if you are not happy here you are FREE to leave..........my moms brother died in Germany fighting the Nazis when he was only 20 years old......I never got a chance to meet my uncle who was fighting for OUR freedom just like millions of other Americans who gave up there lives for us ......so yes I have a problem with ANYBODY who disrespects OUR flag..........Go Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL


Sep 4, 2018, 6:30 PM

what a load of bovine defacation

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 6:33 PM

I think he has every right to kneel in protest if that is what he believes. And I don't think it makes him un-American. People died so that he has the freedom to kneel. I don't like it, but that doesn't mean he can't do it. It also doesn't mean that the NFL has to hire him. All it means is that he wants to kneel during the national anthem. It's called freedom of speech in this country...or freedom to kneel, protest whatever.

It's just like anybody else that does something you don't like...in this country you have to put up with it. So live and let live.

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Maybe some people just have more job security than you


Sep 4, 2018, 6:37 PM

Rather than try to tear them down, why not work to improve your own lot in life?

BTW you could leave, too, if you don't like people exercising their freedoms.

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 6:47 PM

You do realize that Kaepernick lost his job, right? He's not playing anymore because of exactly what you're challenging others to do. He's out of the league because he's bad for business: it enrages old white guys that Kaepernick has the audacity and courage to stand up for something bigger than himself. The American flag represents more than just our fallen soldiers and our military-- Kaepernick has said over and over that he is supportive of our military and those who made the ultimate sacrifice. He is protesting other institutions of America, some of which also stand behind the flag. He did so in a peaceful and respectful way. What about the thousands of people at every sporting event that use the bathroom, go talk on their cell phones, or go to the concession stand during the anthem? What they're doing is far more disrespectful than what Kap did. Nobody seemed to get bent out of shape about them. Whether you agree with him or not, Kaepernick stuck to his beliefs and his protest was in support of those that don't have the voice or the platform he does. And, yes, it cost him his job. I'm not a Kaepernick sympathizer, I am a Kaepernick admirer.

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 7:05 PM

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 7:07 PM [ in reply to Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer? ]

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You do realize that Kaepernick lost his job, right? He's not playing anymore because of exactly what you're challenging others to do. He's out of the league because he's bad for business: it enrages old white guys that Kaepernick has the audacity and courage to stand up for something bigger than himself. The American flag represents more than just our fallen soldiers and our military-- Kaepernick has said over and over that he is supportive of our military and those who made the ultimate sacrifice. He is protesting other institutions of America, some of which also stand behind the flag. He did so in a peaceful and respectful way. What about the thousands of people at every sporting event that use the bathroom, go talk on their cell phones, or go to the concession stand during the anthem? What they're doing is far more disrespectful than what Kap did. Nobody seemed to get bent out of shape about them. Whether you agree with him or not, Kaepernick stuck to his beliefs and his protest was in support of those that don't have the voice or the platform he does. And, yes, it cost him his job. I'm not a Kaepernick sympathizer, I am a Kaepernick admirer.



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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 7:10 PM [ in reply to Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer? ]

Exactly

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 9:05 PM [ in reply to Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer? ]

Come on, put things Into perspective. Nobody sees or cares about the people In the stands. Kap was the QB for an NFL team. He decided to look like a spoiled millionaire baby pro-athlete (which a lot of people view all major pro-athletes as) and did something that pissed off people who have NOTHING to do with police violence.

Do you think if I took a crap in someone’s front yard in broad daylight and they got pissed; but my reason was, “I’m not disrespecting your property.... I’m protesting toilets!” Do they then not have the right to be mad at me?

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Yes, and if I were to do that and get fired, I would be


Sep 4, 2018, 7:14 PM

making a big sacrifice for taking a stand, just like Kap. Kind of stupid that both sides have kept it going. Great way to keep us divided against each other.

I honor your right to speak your mind. God bless America.

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Re: Yes, and if I were to do that and get fired, I would be


Sep 4, 2018, 7:31 PM

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 8:12 PM

I am 73 yearns old. I am old school. I never served in the military. I have as much respect as anyone for the military. I respect our flag and everything it stands for as much as anyone.

I have zero respect for anyone who enjoys the privilege of living in the USA and refuses to salute the flag or stand for the national anthem.
Protest if you want . We have free speech. Speak all you want. Just get off your ### and be quiet or sing along when the anthem is played, or keep your mouth shut.

I worked for DuPont for almost 30 years. I would have never made it if I had disrespected upper management, fellow workers or customers if I disrespected them the way the anthem protesters disrespect the flag, the military and every patriotic American.

If these protesters are so enthusiastic and devoted to their cause they should spend their own money to protest. Write newspaper articles. Buy tv time, radio ads. Do it on your own time. Not when I’m trying to enjoy a ball game.

I’ll continue watching Fox News, when they report that the protesters have stopped I will resume watching NFL football.
In the meantime Ill watch the Tigers demolish the ACC and the chickens.

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 10:07 PM

me too brother......either you are for America or you are not............if you are then STAND your behind up and salute OUR flag.......if you are not then GET OFF MY LAWN........Go Tigers!!!!!!

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Kaepernick lost his job over it too so I'm not sure what


Sep 4, 2018, 8:21 PM

that part of your argument is about.

Also, if the protest wasn't public and at least somewhat controversial nobody would pay attention to it and the message would never get out. Say what you will about him, but Kaepernick succeeded with what he set out to do. And granted he probably has a good chunk of money already put away so it isn't as devastating to him as it would be to me, but it DID cost him his job and yet he still did it and that takes some guts whether you agree with him or not. And honestly I don't think his goal was to be anti-American and i certainly don't think his intention was EVER to be anti-military or anti-veterans.

I swear more people are riled up about this than when some random lunatic murders people while protesting something.

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Are you familiar with Unions and collective


Sep 4, 2018, 8:34 PM

bargaining agreements? Disciplinary policy and codes of conduct are part of the contract. Owners can act unilaterally but the NFLPA can file a grievance and take it to arbitration. The outcome could be back pay and reinstatement. Even more concerning for the owners is a case sets precedence- meaning future cases in higher jeopardy. Losing an arbitration case is bad news.

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Re: Are you a Kaepernick sympathizer?


Sep 4, 2018, 8:43 PM

Yep


Because what did he do?
He expressed his opinion. He did not physically assault anyone. He did not tear down anything. He did not scream or yell at others. He did not threaten anyone.

He was a black man, an athlete, who knelt during the National Anthem as a means to draw attention to an issue.

Much like most change, it was met with great resistance and hullabaloo.

So yes I respect this man’s opinion and support his peaceful protest.

He is an American and he has that right.

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