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Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 10:44 AM
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Is it Trevor, Elliott/scheme, or personnel that seems to be creating a lot more 3rd and longs. Especially rewatching the VA Tech game and the cuse game, a couple others. A lot of times we were bailed out by ETN being, well ETN. Takes a little flip toss or screen and got us the first down. Not only ETN but Trevor would go to other checkdown and against lesser opponents, were able to get the fd.
We only threw ETN one pass but he was open several times. I've also noticed that Trevor really locked in on his first read in the tech game. We also appeared to force Spector on the out route and give him 50/50 balls and he can vertical jump maybe 6 inches. Why not more Williams or ajou.
Do we break this mold with ND next week? Personally, I'd like to see more quick first down throws to slants. Gain our 6 yards then give more options on 2nd down.
No poke at any coach or players, just more curiosity on what I'm seeing or just not understanding what it should be. Tia
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 10:48 AM
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D. All of the above. Football is a game of strategy and execution. The winner usually is the team with the best strategy, players, and execution. Some make up for others throughout the game. Like good players making up for bad scheme. Or good schemes making up for less talented/experienced players.
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 10:58 AM
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Clemson offense is predicated on getting positive yardage on 1st down to give more options on 2nd and 3rd down. But defenses have started stacking the box on 1st down or bringing run blitzes because 90% of the time the Tigers run on 1st down.
To beat ND the offense will need to be less predictable on 1st down or find a way to block 9 men in the box.
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You nailed the "problem". 90% of the time, we hand the
Dec 12, 2020, 11:01 AM
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ball to ETN on first down. Especially to open the game on our first possession. 90% is pretty easy to predict and scheme against,right?
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Re: You nailed the "problem". 90% of the time, we hand the
Dec 12, 2020, 2:45 PM
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Thank you for the response.
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 11:38 AM
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Honestly I think the problem is the RPO offense. Teams are clearly keying on ETN stacking the box and making the WR win matchups. They obviously do and we win a lot of games but it’s bc we are flat o it better than most teams.
My problem with RPO is the mesh point takes time, Trevor is reading the end and deciding what to do. When he pulls his time to scan the field is drastically reduced. Less time to go through reads and negatively affects the pass game.
See ND for example. A hurt QB and a game plan more conducive to passing. I know the run stats were terrible but that’s a product of our bad OL play. We have to use Trevor and RPO to create favorable numbers to run. Our OL will improve with influx of young talent so I think we can run under normal sets in the future. Add in a QB who has time to read routes and well you throw for 475 and 40 points with the added benefit of running game to come.
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 12:19 PM
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It’s always dangerous to answer these things, because there are those who think our coaches are beyond being reviewed.
So I start by saying I know nothing about football, so they don’t have to.
Having said that, my opinion is that our offensive mindset is that we are going to run the ball, and it will be effective eventually. However it hasn’t been as effective as expected, presumably that is what is forcing us into 3rd and long. It has happened all season in my mind. I clearly remember having to convert a high percentage of 3rd and longs against Miami. Our o line blocking scheme has to change if we are going to get production out of etn. Running up the gut is just not the right call for our line.
As far as tl, I noticed him forcing the ball to Spector too, didn’t understand it, but we also don’t get to see what’s going on elsewhere on the field. Overall, he looked rusty to me. Threw a terrible pass that was picked off. He definitely got better as the game progressed.
Hope we show ND a whole new look in the championship.
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 2:57 PM
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All of these responses, I thank you much. We all know we have the best set of coaches in the nation, hands down. A little constructive discussion is good imo.
Both you and me08 confirmed what I was kinda thinking but would never say because I really don't know. I stop, rewind, and put the tape in slow mo and I see a lot more... Still can't see the whole field but do see some things.
That said, I have to admit, reviewing the games, I said to myself, dang we looked better in the ND game and the BC game but not knowing the x and o's wondered. I sincerely appreciate the insight. Again thank you all.
Agree, our D shuts down ND, we put a beatdown on them.
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 12:23 PM
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ETN did not appear healthy in VT game, but slow. Not his usual aggressive play. We win if our
defense does not allow ND quarterback to escape and run.
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 2:44 PM
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I was wondering that too... Because in total back snaps, he was way behind. I'm glad we save him and didn't really need his production. He has been hampered with the hamstring and can only imagine the cold would tighten more. Thanks
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Re: Question for our tnet coaches x and o's
Dec 12, 2020, 2:44 PM
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I was wondering that too... Because in total back snaps, he was way behind. I'm glad we save him and didn't really need his production. He has been hampered with the hamstring and can only imagine the cold would tighten more. Thanks
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