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All-In [47795]
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When Joe Biden's small business tax hike hits, it will
Oct 26, 2020, 1:38 PM
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finish off what few small businesses survived COVID.
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All-TigerNet [11626]
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He's only taxing people who make over $400,000
Oct 26, 2020, 1:40 PM
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LOL.
Just kidding. He's taxing everyone who earns income at a higher rate.
Plus he's taxing businesses more as well.
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All-In [47795]
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yes. I heard him say he's eliminating the small business
Oct 26, 2020, 1:44 PM
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aka flow through tax deduction. His $400k talk is only for w2 people.
If you're in a partnership or member in an LLC, the Trump tax cuts were huge and enabled hiring more employees etc....
Basement Biden is going to eliminate that so as to satisfy the parent basement dwelling millennials who jerk off to AOC while playing video games and complaining that they can't pay off their student loans incurred in earning their underwater basket weaving degrees.
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All-In [49146]
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again, I like and benefit from the flow through deduction.
Oct 26, 2020, 5:44 PM
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but it's due to expire in 2025, and not much chance of Pubs taking the house by then. I may just retire.
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That's impossible. Obama already killed all business.***
Oct 26, 2020, 1:46 PM
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Why not just eliminate ALL taxes
Oct 26, 2020, 1:56 PM
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and just continue to explode the deficit through good times, not just bad, like Trump and the Republicans love to do?
Perhaps Economics should be required for all students(and not the Trickle Down Koch Brothers syllabus)?
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All-In [47795]
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yes. I would like to eliminate the income tax and replace it
Oct 26, 2020, 1:58 PM
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with nothing. We could then eliminate the departments and return this country to where it was before the horrible crimes of FDR
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Re: yes. I would like to eliminate the income tax and replace it
Oct 26, 2020, 2:04 PM
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Something something small enough to drown in a bathtub.
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Re: yes. I would like to eliminate the income tax and replace it
Oct 26, 2020, 2:08 PM
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Until something serious is proposed for defense spending or entitlements, the only way to impact the deficit is through raising tax revenue. We're sorry that rich people and corporations are easy targets.
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not really easy targets as
Oct 26, 2020, 2:14 PM
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historically Dems have also given tax breaks to the wealthy. All Presidents play by the Wall Street playbook.
occupy went well into the Obama years. not as the encampment but their demonstrations and activism.
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110%er [7185]
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Why isn't Joe following the Wall Street playbook?***
Oct 26, 2020, 2:25 PM
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If you don't want to pay any taxes, you don't really have to
Oct 26, 2020, 3:09 PM
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All's you have to do is pack up all your belonging in a wood crate. Pay a pilot to airdrop you & the crate somewhere over the jungles of Botswana and live off the land for the rest of your life.
Mind you, getting killed by jungle animals/reptiles/insects, local tribes whom never encountered a white man before, or some illness because you have no health care will happen relatively. But hey, you won't be paying taxes so win win for you!
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Oculus Spirit [79400]
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Maybe he could just tax the locals into a prosperous way of
Oct 26, 2020, 3:25 PM
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life? I have a feeling you'd be mad about that though.
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Let me get this straight: you're blaming a Rep
Oct 26, 2020, 2:23 PM
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for the debt.
The current dept is about 27 Trillion. Almost 10 Trillion of that, or close 40% of it, was added during one 8 year stretch in our 200 year history. Care to guess which 8 year run that was?
Or perhaps you are saying: "Trump supporters say they don't like the debt, but give Trump a pass". I could just call "Straw man" and end it there. But yes, it is obviously true that every person who will vote for Trump will do so in spite of adding, I think, 6 Trillion to the debt so far. That is by definition true. You got 'em. If you want to hold onto that, go right ahead.
But if you want to find a Trump voter who actually likes the fact that he has done that - or as you say, doesn't understand economics as well as you do - good luck. Not many of those out there.
If talking to me, you'll hear that we shouldn't have undertaken the massive bail outs in the 2010's, and we shouldn't be adding to debt to pay for "stimulus" now, a new definition of 'oxymoron'.
But a dem - who would have nailed Trump to a cross if he didn't compete with the dems to see who could spend more money on the 'stimulus' - banging on Trump about the debt is a new low in partisan fantasy.
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Thanks for making my point for me.***
Oct 26, 2020, 2:42 PM
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Down to that, are you?***
Oct 26, 2020, 2:52 PM
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I'll blame both.
Oct 26, 2020, 3:40 PM
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And anyone who doesn't is either naive or a partisan hack.
You know what one key difference between Dems and Pubs is? The Dems are honest about their frivolous spending. We know what they are.
Any "conservative" vote who continues to yammer on about Dems and spending yet continues to vote for Pubs who do the exact same thing and gives them a free pass while they're doing it just needs to go ahead and admit a partisan view of the world.
Both sides are equal offenders over the past 30 or so years, and Trump is a big one. And if re-elected (which he won't be), it will get worse. But somehow you and others still think Trump is a conservative Republican. Right.
Also, it's tiring hearing Trumpies claim the stimulus was the sole reason for the debt increase. Take a gander at this article, and note the date:
https://www.businessinsider.com/national-debt-deficit-trump-how-it-compares-obama-bush-clinton-2019-11
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Not all taxes, but most of them.
Oct 26, 2020, 2:42 PM
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Start by eliminating income tax.
Why not tax on consumption, rather than income? I'm fine paying a high sales tax on things I but if I know my income won't be taxed.
The whole notion that "the rich don't pay their fair share" is ludicrous. The wealthy already pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes, and the dems want to raise those taxes even more. And they will use that money to create even more non-essential government programs that are sure to be run as inefficiently as other government programs already are. No thanks.
But if we cut taxes, we must also cut some of the ridiculous government programs. I'm fine with that. Private businesses can handle most of these services much better, at a much lower cost. By taxing people less, standard of living and quality of life will go way up.
Applying these tax cuts to corporations and other businesses will also free up companies to hire more employees and pay their employees better.
This is economics 101. Most liberals didn't take that class, or choose to ignore its principles.
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Hall of Famer [22381]
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That sounds like a Koch Brothers 101 Syllabus.
Oct 26, 2020, 2:48 PM
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Meanwhile, in the real world, we have empirical evidence.
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You're right, we have a lot of evidence showing that
Oct 26, 2020, 3:07 PM
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socialism doesn't work.
Not on paper, and not in reality.
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Right.***
Oct 26, 2020, 3:11 PM
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Sweden's personal income tax rate for anyone making
Oct 26, 2020, 4:00 PM
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1.5 times the national average income is 57%.
I don't consider that success.
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110%er [7185]
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Good for you.
Oct 26, 2020, 4:52 PM
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Redefine success instead. Countries with high tax rates can never be successful, cause then they'd have high taxes. Who gives a #### what those taxes pay for?
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Heisman Winner [119571]
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Then why don’t you go live in Sweden?
Oct 26, 2020, 4:54 PM
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We know the answer, don’t we?
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110%er [7185]
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I hope so we both know.
Oct 26, 2020, 4:57 PM
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Uncle Sam pays my salary and I have 15 years in service invested.
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Oculus Spirit [81628]
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Your service means nothing to them because
Oct 26, 2020, 4:58 PM
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you're going against their political view.
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Re: Your service means nothing to them because
Oct 26, 2020, 5:05 PM
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Don't worry I wasn't expecting that to mean anything. Time in service is just the metric we use in terms of time towards retirement. I love how the same people who say "if you don't like it, leave it" ran on a platform of "America isn't that great anymore."
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Re: You're right, we have a lot of evidence showing that
Oct 26, 2020, 7:51 PM
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Judge,
I don't know what Economics 101 course that YOU took, but in my Macroeconomics course we defined socialism as a mixed economy - one in which some industries were privately owned (most manufacturing and retail for example) and some industries were at least partially publicly owned or regulated (fire protection, police, national defense, highways & infrastructure, Social Security, etc.)
IOW, the United States has long operated a socialist economic system (to the growing benefit of its people). The only question truly before us is whether certain other industries, like health care, would be more beneficial to Americans if they were also included under this publicly owned umbrella.
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Re: Not all taxes, but most of them.
Oct 26, 2020, 7:43 PM
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Judge,
You claim that lowering taxes (& eliminating programs) will increase our standard of living. I would ask for some proof of that assumption.
This article does not purport to measure standard of living per se, but it does take a number of aspect of the quality of life and compares the US to a number of other developed countries (most of which have higher tax rates than us). This may not satisfy you that your presumption is wrong, but it does seem to challenge you to provide some evidence.
https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-look-like-a-developed-country/
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If that wasn't clear enough, not economics-y enough,
Oct 26, 2020, 2:51 PM
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try this on:
The buzz phrase of the left is "wealth inequity". Dastardly capitalists have robbed the comrades of everything. Need to tax it away from them. BTW, don't you love it when someone attaches a solution to a problem that doesn't have anything to do with the problem? Anyway, wealth inequity:
Ten years ago a guy with a 401K or an IRA could buy a little safety in the cash market. $100,000 would buy something that would earn about $5500. This was in the first year or two of the Obama admin, when the debt was large but manageable, about 70% of GDP.
Five years ago, that same $100K would get only $2500/year. That was the year the debt ballooned to 100% of GDP/
Today, with the debt at 125% of GDP (maybe more) that $100K gets basically nothing.
If you don't believe that the debt causes inflation, there it is, dollars buying less and less. It hasn't yet hit goods and services, but it will.
With all those printed dollars floating around, and no interest to be earned, they have to go somewhere. Equities. A stock market way above supportable levels. Any guesses where that will lead?
Meanwhile, we respond to covid by scaring the sh** out of everybody and shutting down businesses. Then we prop them up with the above said printed dollars. But anyone who is looking sees that its not working. As small businesses fail, they are being bought by the large corporates. That is not theory. I will name names later (come back and ask me), but I know of restaurants in Greenville today where the local owner can no longer keep losing money, and are selling to the giants. We will see "Bill's BBQ" become "Stickyfingers".
Both of those current happenings are huge transfers of wealth from the middle class to the top percent.
So, liberal economists and Dems, tell me again how it is that deficit govt spending is good, and that tax manipulations fix this.
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You're all over the place with this one.***
Oct 26, 2020, 3:02 PM
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Economics isn't for intellectual or emotional sissies.***
Oct 26, 2020, 4:32 PM
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I'm just not tough enough to understand your rambling logic.***
Oct 26, 2020, 4:53 PM
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Is pretty easy, I think.
Oct 26, 2020, 9:50 PM
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The left's mantra for tax policy is "wealth inequity".
The left also pushes shutdowns and simultaneous bail outs for the then failing businesses. The Reps have to take blame for that too - being too scared to face the fallout from resisting "stimulus" packages (remember, economics is not for cowards) - but I covered the actual numbers above. 40% of our total debt has come from one president. Granted, this one is trying to catch up.
So, what do those two policies do? Upheaval always benefits the upper 1% of the upper 1%, because they are the ones who pick up the pieces laying on the ground. In the above two cases:
1. Failing small businesses get bought up by that top %. Check that: they are being bought up as we speak. If you like Stickyfingers and Walmart, and never drive another 1/2 mile to buy from Bill's BBQ and the local Ace Hardware, you're going to love 2025.
2. Inflation is of small consequence to the upper % because they don't hold cash and are not dependent on earned or interest income. They own stuff - stocks, businesses, land, banks, etc. Denominate that stuff however you want to, divide the dollar however many times you want to, they still own that stuff. I hope you can see that when inflation in the financial sector shifts money to equities, and when the inflated stock market later adjusts - hopefully not another 2009 - the really wealthy might rather it didn't happen but it's mom and pop who are devastated. A retired or future retired person wage earner with an IRA or 401K just lost a bunch of what they need to live on, but Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos just keep right on going, getting bigger.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/01/how-wealth-inequality-has-changed-in-the-u-s-since-the-great-recession-by-race-ethnicity-and-income/
We have driven businesses into the ground with no evidence that doing so has affected covid deaths at all, and we have adopted an attitude that loads more debt as a response is a good thing. Both are transferring wealth from the average person to the uber wealth at a huge rate.
People like you say, "Oh my, you're rambling, I can't understand", then a few years from now another report will describe how the wealthy are more so than ever, and you'll say, "Those bas****s!! Tax them all to he**!"
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Re: When Joe Biden's small business tax hike hits, it will
Oct 26, 2020, 2:21 PM
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Tax his land, tax his wage, Tax his bed in which he lays. Tax his tractor, tax his mule, Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow, tax his goat, Tax his pants, tax his coat. Tax his ties, tax his shirts, Tax his work, tax his dirt.
Tax his chew, tax his smoke, Teach him taxes are no joke. Tax his car, tax his grass, Tax the roads he must pass.
Tax his food, tax his drink, Tax him if he tries to think. Tax his sodas, tax his beers, If he cries, tax his tears.
Tax his bills, tax his gas, Tax his notes, tax his cash. Tax him good and let him know That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, tax him more, Tax him until he’s good and sore. Tax his coffin, tax his grave, Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb, "Taxes drove me to my doom!" And when he’s gone, we won’t relax, We’ll still be after the inheritance tax.
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Yep. Scares me worse than COVID ever did.***
Oct 26, 2020, 3:48 PM
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Re: When Joe Biden's small business tax hike hits, it will
Oct 26, 2020, 8:14 PM
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No one is raising the price on small businesses for years, not from a tax standpoint. That's nonsense. Rescuing those still hanging on or dangling on the closed side is priority number one for Biden and a Democratic congress. The GOP has blocked any new substantial funding to keep people fed, housed, and healthy in the midst of the greatest existential health crisis in a long while, while starving small business and many small business owners of resources and options to plan the coming winter.
This is a sad broken record being played. Out of touch.
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HEY DID YALL HEAR THAT OBAMA WAS TAKING OUR GUNS?!?!***
Oct 26, 2020, 9:54 PM
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Old hat... I'm just wondering who took all the ammo...?***
Oct 26, 2020, 10:28 PM
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